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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
907
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Posted - 2014.11.08 01:36:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:the poor victim waiting to spawn has an invisibility crutch that wasn't always there.. this isn't an MMORPG where you click on duel to PVP someone else. the only players experience ruined are carebears who dont belong in a PVP game in the 1rst place. Give me PvE, I'll happily leave all of the Shotgun Scouts to the PvP. This isn't a PvP game, it's a sandbox, or supposed to be anyway. But the only thing we're allowed to do is PvP.
Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
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Kuruld Sengar
Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment.
27
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Posted - 2014.11.08 01:36:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:Whats funny is cloak delay will make no difference..
Whats going to happen is weapons in the future will give a modifier to profile. This way all the noobs will be able to see shotgunners cause they will be giving off a high profile. Is it far.. no not really cause if you play enough shot gunners don't matter cause you can sense them.
Then this will be a balancing factor... so when a weapon gets popular they will add more profile modifier to the weapon so it becomes less popular.
PS. I added the shotgun to most of my suits now the RR was hit by the magic nerf bat. Why not try any other racial weapons? RR (foty) gets nerfed, so switch to #2 on the op/troll leaderboard? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10165
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Posted - 2014.11.08 01:50:00 -
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CCP Rattati has already started looking into increasing the cloak delay in the coming hotfix.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
329
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Posted - 2014.11.08 02:52:00 -
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DAAAA BEAST wrote:Imp Smash wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go *BLOOOP !* , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes.
I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible.
I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea.
Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish.
Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field .
o7 I think you are blaming the wrong thing. It's not the shotgun imo. It's not even the cloak. If a scout sneaks up on you and shotguns them good on them and too bad for you. But if you see them coming and STILL can't kill them then there is a problem. Currently, you can see a scout coming and often can't shoot them down. That's the problem. I can't see all of them but I see most of them. Mostly I hear them decloak behind me. I try to get as far from them as possible but with the fast rof , I am helpless. If you read my post you would have understood that I am complaining about the SG scout spam. I can't see everybody too.
Well no one expects you to see all of them. The reason that scout shotguns are a thing is not that you can sneak up and kill people easily. You could always do that and cloaking makes it a bit easier. However, even with cloak you can still catch em a fair amount of the time if you are aware of your surroundings enough. As you yourself said, you can see most of them. Mostly, they decloak behind you. That means they snuck up on you. You will be at a disadvantage which is what is intended (it is a shotgun after all.)
But surely you see a scout cloaked and running out in the field sometimes right? Or sometimes not even cloaked -- just running around with a Combat rifle. If you read MY post you would understand that oftentimes you shoot them and do no damage. That is, according to my completely subjective opinion, a problem. If scouts didn't ignore damage like they do they wouldn't be slaying everything and you wouldn't see scout sg spam. Sure thanks to cloak you WOULD see scout shotgunners -- but only people dedicated to the playstyle. You wouldn't see scout Assaults, scout logis, and you might actually see scout scouts once again... |
Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
217
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Posted - 2014.11.08 02:53:00 -
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Jesus lol the cloak delay doesn't matter you will not see a scout stocking you. The cloak is pretty much only being used by shotgun and strife scouts as is which were the issue in the first place. Increasing the delay will just further the problem because the time to kill remains the same. Current sg ttk .34s rifle ttk 2.5 not counting reaction time so that leaves more than a 2 second disparity and even if it was balanced around shotgun scout alone it would just nerf everyone out of using cloak instead of everyone but shotgun/strife scouts. I wish... I wish I was not the only one that could see.
Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
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Lloyd Orfay
SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
181
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Posted - 2014.11.08 02:59:00 -
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DAAAA BEAST wrote:with the shotgun scouts running around insta-******* people. They randomly pop up and go *BLOOOP !* , cloaking and running away. You thought you'd see less scouts with the neft to scout's scan. Wrong you only see less knifers and PLC'ers ? Why ? Because who needs skill when you can use aim assist with a high alpha weapon ? The thing that annoys me the most is that they are usually at least 5 of them per team. Usually in dom I go up against 4 heavies 5 Scouts 1 logi and 2 mlt dudes.
I hate shotguns so much that I have deleted all my suits with a SGf on them. I only run it on a ninja hacking scout ( needed to clear an objective before hack ) and feel bad for every kill I get. I try to ignore militia dudes and kill them only if in danger. I don't wan them uninstalling the game because of a broken tactic. I feel bad for every kill I get with it as it is just cheap. And as the saying goes " what goes around comes around". So I use it the least possible.
I don't know how you could balance this gun really. Maybe a rof nerf to make it shoot as fast a mass driver. Now that I really think of it , it really sounds like a good idea.
Anyway people , have fun the way you want !. I can't change how people play. I will say this tho. What is more fun , a challenge that you accomplished or a routine that you easily accomplish.
Now I hope accomplishing the challenge becomes a routine. I hope to see more PLC'ers and Knifers on the field .
o7
Spec into vehicles.
Get specialised vehicles before they would possibly get changed for balance. Or make your MLT fits overpowered.
Roll in a tank, spawn your whole team in the best areas as soon as possible.
Kill people.
When you hear someone planting RES on your tank jump out of the tank and shoot them.(Most likely a scout)
This is what I do and even if it's risky I have yet to be killed from doing it.
Scout revengence complete.
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CharacterNameWasTaken
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
195
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Posted - 2014.11.08 03:15:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i hope no one mentions the Full auto shotgun which is comming... itll be comming in everyones mouth whether they like it or not. |
PARKOUR PRACTIONER
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
2206
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Posted - 2014.11.08 03:21:00 -
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You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it?
If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is.
PSN Sil4ntChaozz
Define Min Scout-Ninja/Define Gal Scout-Predator
Scout Devotee Mk.0/Gk.0/'Sever'
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DAAAA BEAST
BEAST EMPIRE
227
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Posted - 2014.11.08 03:42:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it?
If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is. Yep I now realise how bad this tactic is ! That was when shotguns were still " cool " . I won't do any other montage .
Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2778
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Posted - 2014.11.08 03:48:00 -
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DAAAA BEAST wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:+1 for not crying about the breach AR Breach ar doesn't have that big of range and is easily countered in CQC. Thats the exact weakness of the shotgun...
BrAR> SG
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2779
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Posted - 2014.11.08 03:49:00 -
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DAAAA BEAST wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it?
If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is. Yep I now realise how bad this tactic is ! That was when shotguns were still " cool " . I won't do any other montage . Bro, come play with me and learn the ways to counter SGers....its so easy, you'll never complain again.
Id post info right now, but I don't want to be useless against anyone who happens to read this
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
2206
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Posted - 2014.11.08 03:50:00 -
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DAAAA BEAST wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it?
If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is. Yep I now realise how bad this tactic is ! That was when shotguns were still " cool " . I won't do any other montage .
Just ditch the cloak. More rewarding plus more fun. But wether you use cloak or not you will still be labelled 'scrub'
PSN Sil4ntChaozz
Define Min Scout-Ninja/Define Gal Scout-Predator
Scout Devotee Mk.0/Gk.0/'Sever'
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DAAAA BEAST
BEAST EMPIRE
228
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Posted - 2014.11.08 04:04:00 -
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Lol you counter them with dampened ewar scouts or heavies ( a lot of them ! ) Scanners aswell !
Proficiency V Sniper Hunter
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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
1344
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Posted - 2014.11.08 04:19:00 -
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I feel your pain. Those games earlier were just horrible and it seems like in just a few days I've gone from loving scouts to hating them and wanting to see the nerf hammer hit everything around that playstyle like a whack from Mj+Ślnir. Actually tempted to spec into a Gal logi at this point, just to have a chance at countering the little ***** who run around with their cloak/shotgun combo, but I don't feel like buying a respec to do that and I'm crazy far away from that kind of SP.
Still... I'm trying to blame "team balancing" over the scout issue. It wouldn't be so bad having two good squads going against each other, but all these games where the scout squad rapes the other team, there's nothing on that team to fight back or help.
I want to punch.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4423
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Posted - 2014.11.08 06:11:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:DAAAA BEAST wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:You can not be serious. You have videos on your channel with you repeatedly using this tactic and now your complaining about it?
If this is not hypocritical i dont know what is. Yep I now realise how bad this tactic is ! That was when shotguns were still " cool " . I won't do any other montage . Just ditch the cloak. More rewarding plus more fun. But wether you use cloak or not you will still be labelled 'scrub' I wouldn't exactly say more fun. Rewarding, sure, but the cloak brings me a few giggles every now and again...
... like when a whole squad just runs besides me when i stood still. Glorious. |
Michael Arck
5997
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Posted - 2014.11.08 08:53:00 -
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The solution people really want? To gimp scout suits to the point of unplayability so that the mass crowd that uses them find them no longer usable only leaving the dedicated players to the suit, thus lessening their population. Yet the headache will carry on because a scout is going to scout.
The scout discussion is like hunting for the golden fleece
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Georgia Xavier
Redblade Clan
0
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Posted - 2014.11.08 09:14:00 -
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Magewarlord wrote:it's a shame really. I feel the same way and it's usually for the noobs. I'd hate for new people to get deterred from continuing to play because this game is already dying so we need new people to be able to come in and have some fun and stick around.
However all online games will have the problem of players abusing mechanics and cheap tactics etc. The reasons vary too. Some like to stoke their ego by having high k/d or stats. Some just get a hard-on by angering other people; gives them a laugh and these type think because it's just a game that it's ok to have sinister and negative intentions (they miss the point). The word "trolling" seems to be attractive to internet "kids".
Camping is one of those things I just can't bring myself to do because I don't want to be one of those cheapskate jerks. Plus it's just not satisfying just sitting there waiting for some poor victim to spawn or walk around the corner; I'm pleased when I out-skill someone for the kill, THAT'S when it gets fun and satisfying.
The bottom line is that any online game (shooters especially) will have people who ruin it for the rest of us. They don't care if people think it's cheap, they don't care if you get pissed off, they don't care if they ruin the game. This is just how (unfortunately) our society is; people looking out only for themselves at the expense of others. I'd give you a round of applause for that speech if I could |
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