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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Fatal Absolution
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 7067
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 06:48:00 -
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 Scouts were removed from the game?
  
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        |  calvin b
 Sinq Laison Gendarmes
 Gallente Federation
 
 2196
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 06:50:00 -
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 Take out cloaks the real scouts will still be around and should be. All you would have left is those who hide behind the cloak. I would love to see a week without cloaks just to see what would happen.
 
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        |  Leovarian L Lavitz
 NECROM0NGERS
 
 1176
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 06:50:00 -
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 Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see
 
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        |  Crimson ShieId
 Sinq Laison Gendarmes
 Gallente Federation
 
 1343
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 06:52:00 -
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 Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too.
 
 *Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back*
  ... the punching... would be so real... 
 I want to punch. | 
      
      
        |  Aeon Amadi
 Fatal Absolution
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 7067
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 06:55:00 -
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 Crimson ShieId wrote:Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too. *Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back*    ... the punching... would be so real... 
 Lol.
 
 I dunno man, I miss actual gunfights between assaults that were decided by minor nuances of player skill and who's fit was better. Now it's just this guerilla predator kill and superior offense/defense of heavy non-sense
  
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        |  Powerh8er
 The Rainbow Effect
 
 515
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 06:57:00 -
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 Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see 
 How balanced would the game be if the HMG was a squad support weapon, like in real life and not an oversized smg with the dispersion of a comicbook shotgun?
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        |  sir RAVEN WING
 Horizons' Edge
 Proficiency V.
 
 123
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 06:58:00 -
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 I would like to get rid of the cloaks, yes, but not the scouts. The scouts were here before the dark age of the cloaks and the game was much more fun, scouts were snipers or the occasional CQC shotgunner, but alas if the cloaks were gone then Dust would be legion... a legion of heavies that is....
 
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        |  Crimson ShieId
 Sinq Laison Gendarmes
 Gallente Federation
 
 1343
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 06:58:00 -
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 Aeon Amadi wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too. *Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back*    ... the punching... would be so real... Lol.  I dunno man, I miss actual gunfights between assaults that were decided by minor nuances of player skill and who's fit was better. Now it's just this guerilla predator kill and superior offense/defense of heavy non-sense   
 
 ... ah, screw it. I'm on board. Haven't even been running my Min scout that often lately.
 
 I want to punch. | 
      
      
        |  John Demonsbane
 Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
 
 4449
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 06:59:00 -
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 Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see 
 I don't think that would actually happen. I'd bet that without scouts running around barely needing to de cloak before instablapping everyone with less than 1000 HP, more people would use medium frames. A lot more.
 
 (The godfather of tactical logistics) | 
      
      
        |  Vicious Minotaur
 
 1288
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:00:00 -
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 Let's see:
 
 Sentinels would still be problematic thanks to their awful, lame, generic-arse bonuses...
 Vehicles would still be crappy wastes of pixels and code...
 Logis and Commandos would still be lackluster in many ways...
 Active scanners would still be lighting up everybody...
 
 ...Eh. Game would still be riddled with varying degrees of imbalances.
 
 I am a minotaur. | 
      
      
        |  calvin b
 Sinq Laison Gendarmes
 Gallente Federation
 
 2196
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:00:00 -
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 Aeon Amadi wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too. *Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back*    ... the punching... would be so real... Lol.  I dunno man, I miss actual gunfights between assaults that were decided by minor nuances of player skill and who's fit was better. Now it's just this guerilla predator kill and superior offense/defense of heavy non-sense   
 
 Hell ya, assault vs assault or assault vs commando is freakin crazy, but so much fun. When you do face a heavy or scout as an assault its hit or miss. Its not skills when they sneak up on you because there was no way to tell where the F*** they are, maybe a slight glimmer. I am constantly checking my freakin 6, but as soon as I am engaged in a firefight blam SG to the back or knifed. I get it your supposed to flank but there is no counter to it. There has to be a counter.
 
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        |  sir RAVEN WING
 Horizons' Edge
 Proficiency V.
 
 124
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:08:00 -
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 calvin b wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too. *Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back*    ... the punching... would be so real... Lol.  I dunno man, I miss actual gunfights between assaults that were decided by minor nuances of player skill and who's fit was better. Now it's just this guerilla predator kill and superior offense/defense of heavy non-sense   Hell ya, assault vs assault or assault vs commando is freakin crazy, but so much fun. When you do face a heavy or scout as an assault its hit or miss. Its not skills when they sneak up on you because there was no way to tell where the F*** they are, maybe a slight glimmer. I am constantly checking my freakin 6, but as soon as I am engaged in a firefight blam SG to the back or knifed. I get it your supposed to flank but there is no counter to it. There has to be a counter.  The counter is always be alert, and always have a weapon capible of burning 1,000 tiny little holes in the head of scouts, or a SG, that I would call Karma and you would get to say "Ah well karma's a *****"
 
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        |  G Felix
 
 109
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:14:00 -
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 Aeon Amadi wrote:Scouts were removed from the game?   
 I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow.
 
 Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+) | 
      
      
        |  Kasote Denzara
 A Vulture
 
 2393
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:17:00 -
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 There haven't been scouts since the introduction of Active Scanners and the removal of shared vision. They were replaced with the beforementioned equipment. What we have now are light assaults, not scouts.
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Fatal Absolution
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 7069
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:22:00 -
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 G Felix wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Scouts were removed from the game?   I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow.  
 Well, right, Mr Musturd was rocking the knives even before the cloaks and he was damn good with them. If memory serves he still doesn't use cloaks but, I don't know that for a fact - been a while since I've played with him.
 
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        |  sir RAVEN WING
 Horizons' Edge
 Proficiency V.
 
 125
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:25:00 -
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 Kasote Denzara wrote:There haven't been scouts since the introduction of Active Scanners and the removal of shared vision. They were replaced with the beforementioned equipment. What we have now are light assaults, not scouts. No, we have strafing, shotgun/knifers that can cloak and has overpopulated the warzones.
 
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        |  Kasote Denzara
 A Vulture
 
 2395
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:30:00 -
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 sir RAVEN WING wrote:No, we have strafing, shotgun/knifers that can cloak and has overpopulated the warzones.
 
 Every suit can strafe. Scouts are more popular due to their speed. Without inertia working against sudden movements, there will always be river dancing. As for shotguns, I use a shotgun. On a Gallente Commando. I river dance hard enough to appease even the hardiest of god-like entities.
 
 The perks about maxing out Gallente Commando and shotgun is... if a light frame (since it is the only frame able to scrape past my passive scans) rolls up on me, that shotgun better kill me on the first shot, because mine will.
 
 
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        |  sir RAVEN WING
 Horizons' Edge
 Proficiency V.
 
 127
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:34:00 -
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 Kasote Denzara wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:No, we have strafing, shotgun/knifers that can cloak and has overpopulated the warzones.
 Every suit can strafe. Scouts are more popular due to their speed. Without inertia working against sudden movements, there will always be river dancing. As for shotguns, I use a shotgun. On a Gallente Commando. I river dance hard enough to appease even the hardiest of god-like entities. The perks about maxing out Gallente Commando and shotgun is... if a light frame (since it is the only frame able to scrape past my passive scans) rolls up on me, that shotgun better kill me on the first shot, because mine will. I now want to play a few games with you to see if that is true... A Assault/Logi hybrid and a Galmando...
 
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        |  Chief-Shotty
 WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
 Top Men.
 
 376
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:35:00 -
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 I wonder how balanced the game if you wouldn't get these massive heavy rushes on objective points.....just bogarding the defense..no way to stop it unless you have RE's planted as the last line of defense.
 
 How about HMG's be a support weapon....long spool up before fire, accurate, high dps with moderate clip, but the kicker .....the user can't move when shooting. Similar to how the Breach FG operates.
 
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        |  Bayeth Mal
 Opus Arcana
 Covert Intervention
 
 1755
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:35:00 -
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 We already experienced this with the great medium suit era of 1.1 to 1.6.
 Assaults weren't in a great place (compared to slayer logis) but Scouts were very rare and by the time 1.6 rolled around heavies were becoming rare as well.
 
 As somebody who ran both Sentinel and Scout during that time it was pretty absurd. But where the meta is now I'm not that happy about either. I like being specialised, being OP is just silly.
 
 We'll bang, OK? | 
      
      
        |  Bayeth Mal
 Opus Arcana
 Covert Intervention
 
 1757
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:38:00 -
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 Aeon Amadi wrote:G Felix wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Scouts were removed from the game?   I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow.  Well, right, Mr Musturd was rocking the knives even before the cloaks and he was damn good with them. If memory serves he still doesn't use cloaks but, I don't know that for a fact - been a while since I've played with him.  
 Last time I encountered mustard in game he was cloaked. Though that was a while ago (a couple of months).
 
 We'll bang, OK? | 
      
      
        |  Bayeth Mal
 Opus Arcana
 Covert Intervention
 
 1757
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 07:42:00 -
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 Chief-Shotty wrote:I wonder how balanced the game if you wouldn't get these massive heavy rushes on objective points.....just bogarding the defense..no way to stop it unless you have RE's planted as the last line of defense.
 How about HMG's be a support weapon....long spool up before fire, accurate, high dps with moderate clip, but the kicker .....the user can't move when shooting. Similar to how the Breach FG operates.
 
 That's kind of how I picture the Amarr heavy weapon (*sigh*).
 4 second locked in place charge before a full on 7 second beam of death that's slow to turn (more anti tank than anti infantry as you'll struggle to follow targets).
 
 We'll bang, OK? | 
      
      
        |  Dimitri Rascolovitch
 Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
 Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
 
 269
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 08:26:00 -
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 Aeon Amadi wrote:G Felix wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Scouts were removed from the game?   I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow.  Well, right, Mr Musturd was rocking the knives even before the cloaks and he was damn good with them. If memory serves he still doesn't use cloaks but, I don't know that for a fact - been a while since I've played with him.  Ive seen him cloak
 
 
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        |  shaman oga
 The Dunwich Horror
 
 3048
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 09:06:00 -
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 Logi dropping RE on heavies?
 
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        |  Breakin Stuff
 Goonfeet
 Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
 
 4632
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 09:08:00 -
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 Powerh8er wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see How balanced would the game be if the HMG was a squad support weapon, like in real life and not an oversized smg with the dispersion of a comicbook shotgun? Rub a lamp.
 
 I've been wanting this since beta. It won't happen no matter how many of us decide we want it to be a thing.
 
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        |  John Demonsbane
 Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
 
 4453
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 14:49:00 -
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 Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:G Felix wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Scouts were removed from the game?   I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow.  Well, right, Mr Musturd was rocking the knives even before the cloaks and he was damn good with them. If memory serves he still doesn't use cloaks but, I don't know that for a fact - been a while since I've played with him.  Ive seen him cloak 
 He cloaks mostly to cross large stretches of ground from what I've seen. Tell you what, though, considering he's the only person who's ever knifed me several times, even when you are in the same squad, seeing him run off and cloak still sends a little chill down your spine.
 
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        |  Jebus McKing
 lol Proto
 
 886
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 14:53:00 -
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 Aeon Amadi wrote:Scouts were removed from the game?   Nah. Just remove all scans and the game would be fine.
 
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        |  Xocoyol Zaraoul
 Superior Genetics
 
 2691
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 14:56:00 -
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 Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see 
 
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Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire | 
      
      
        |  Lazer Fo Cused
 Shining Flame
 Amarr Empire
 
 111
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 15:00:00 -
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 1. Take out cloaks - Would equal a better game for all
 
 2. Move back the redline 500m or more - Forces out snipers into an area where you can flank and kill
 
 3. Remove C4 - It is not a grenade
 
 4. Remove the SL - Utterly broken in lock on, firing and tracking
 
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        |  sir RAVEN WING
 Horizons' Edge
 Proficiency V.
 
 129
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.11.07 17:00:00 -
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 Lazer Fo Cused wrote:1. Take out cloaks - Would equal a better game for all 
 2. Move back the redline 500m or more - Forces out snipers into an area where you can flank and kill
 
 3. Remove C4 - It is not a grenade
 
 4. Remove the SL - Utterly broken in lock on, firing and tracking
 
 I agree up until no. 4, as the SL has been here a very long time before Dust became 'scoutfest 2014'
 
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