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Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7067	Posted - 2014.11.07 06:48:00 - [1] - Quote Scouts were removed from the game? Legion Transparency Me and My Girl
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2196	Posted - 2014.11.07 06:50:00 - [2] - Quote Take out cloaks the real scouts will still be around and should be. All you would have left is those who hide behind the cloak. I would love to see a week without cloaks just to see what would happen. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 1176	Posted - 2014.11.07 06:50:00 - [3] - Quote Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1343	Posted - 2014.11.07 06:52:00 - [4] - Quote Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too. Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back ... the punching... would be so real... I want to punch.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7067	Posted - 2014.11.07 06:55:00 - [5] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too. Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back ... the punching... would be so real... Lol. I dunno man, I miss actual gunfights between assaults that were decided by minor nuances of player skill and who's fit was better. Now it's just this guerilla predator kill and superior offense/defense of heavy non-sense Legion Transparency Me and My Girl
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 515	Posted - 2014.11.07 06:57:00 - [6] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see How balanced would the game be if the HMG was a squad support weapon, like in real life and not an oversized smg with the dispersion of a comicbook shotgun?
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 123	Posted - 2014.11.07 06:58:00 - [7] - Quote I would like to get rid of the cloaks, yes, but not the scouts. The scouts were here before the dark age of the cloaks and the game was much more fun, scouts were snipers or the occasional CQC shotgunner, but alas if the cloaks were gone then Dust would be legion... a legion of heavies that is.... "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1343	Posted - 2014.11.07 06:58:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too. Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back ... the punching... would be so real... Lol. I dunno man, I miss actual gunfights between assaults that were decided by minor nuances of player skill and who's fit was better. Now it's just this guerilla predator kill and superior offense/defense of heavy non-sense ... ah, screw it. I'm on board. Haven't even been running my Min scout that often lately. I want to punch.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4449	Posted - 2014.11.07 06:59:00 - [9] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see I don't think that would actually happen. I'd bet that without scouts running around barely needing to de cloak before instablapping everyone with less than 1000 HP, more people would use medium frames. A lot more. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Vicious Minotaur 1288	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:00:00 - [10] - Quote Let's see: Sentinels would still be problematic thanks to their awful, lame, generic-arse bonuses... Vehicles would still be crappy wastes of pixels and code... Logis and Commandos would still be lackluster in many ways... Active scanners would still be lighting up everybody... ...Eh. Game would still be riddled with varying degrees of imbalances. I am a minotaur.

calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2196	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:00:00 - [11] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too. Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back ... the punching... would be so real... Lol. I dunno man, I miss actual gunfights between assaults that were decided by minor nuances of player skill and who's fit was better. Now it's just this guerilla predator kill and superior offense/defense of heavy non-sense Hell ya, assault vs assault or assault vs commando is freakin crazy, but so much fun. When you do face a heavy or scout as an assault its hit or miss. Its not skills when they sneak up on you because there was no way to tell where the F*** they are, maybe a slight glimmer. I am constantly checking my freakin 6, but as soon as I am engaged in a firefight blam SG to the back or knifed. I get it your supposed to flank but there is no counter to it. There has to be a counter. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 124	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:08:00 - [12] - Quote calvin b wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Yea, let's ditch sentinels while we're at it too. Isn't sure if he himself is serious or would actually enjoy a week or two without getting shotgunned in the back ... the punching... would be so real... Lol. I dunno man, I miss actual gunfights between assaults that were decided by minor nuances of player skill and who's fit was better. Now it's just this guerilla predator kill and superior offense/defense of heavy non-sense Hell ya, assault vs assault or assault vs commando is freakin crazy, but so much fun. When you do face a heavy or scout as an assault its hit or miss. Its not skills when they sneak up on you because there was no way to tell where the F* they are, maybe a slight glimmer. I am constantly checking my freakin 6, but as soon as I am engaged in a firefight blam SG to the back or knifed. I get it your supposed to flank but there is no counter to it. There has to be a counter. The counter is always be alert, and always have a weapon capible of burning 1,000 tiny little holes in the head of scouts, or a SG, that I would call Karma and you would get to say "Ah well karma's a ***" "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!
G Felix 109	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:14:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Scouts were removed from the game? I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2393	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:17:00 - [14] - Quote There haven't been scouts since the introduction of Active Scanners and the removal of shared vision. They were replaced with the beforementioned equipment. What we have now are light assaults, not scouts. Prof. V Plasma Cannon and Gallente Commando V. There is no regret. Only explosions.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7069	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:22:00 - [15] - Quote G Felix wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Scouts were removed from the game? I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow. Well, right, Mr Musturd was rocking the knives even before the cloaks and he was damn good with them. If memory serves he still doesn't use cloaks but, I don't know that for a fact - been a while since I've played with him. Legion Transparency Me and My Girl
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 125	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:25:00 - [16] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: There haven't been scouts since the introduction of Active Scanners and the removal of shared vision. They were replaced with the beforementioned equipment. What we have now are light assaults, not scouts. No, we have strafing, shotgun/knifers that can cloak and has overpopulated the warzones. "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2395	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:30:00 - [17] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: No, we have strafing, shotgun/knifers that can cloak and has overpopulated the warzones. Every suit can strafe. Scouts are more popular due to their speed. Without inertia working against sudden movements, there will always be river dancing. As for shotguns, I use a shotgun. On a Gallente Commando. I river dance hard enough to appease even the hardiest of god-like entities. The perks about maxing out Gallente Commando and shotgun is... if a light frame (since it is the only frame able to scrape past my passive scans) rolls up on me, that shotgun better kill me on the first shot, because mine will. Prof. V Plasma Cannon and Gallente Commando V. There is no regret. Only explosions.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 127	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:34:00 - [18] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: No, we have strafing, shotgun/knifers that can cloak and has overpopulated the warzones. Every suit can strafe. Scouts are more popular due to their speed. Without inertia working against sudden movements, there will always be river dancing. As for shotguns, I use a shotgun. On a Gallente Commando. I river dance hard enough to appease even the hardiest of god-like entities. The perks about maxing out Gallente Commando and shotgun is... if a light frame (since it is the only frame able to scrape past my passive scans) rolls up on me, that shotgun better kill me on the first shot, because mine will. I now want to play a few games with you to see if that is true... A Assault/Logi hybrid and a Galmando... "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 376	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:35:00 - [19] - Quote I wonder how balanced the game if you wouldn't get these massive heavy rushes on objective points.....just bogarding the defense..no way to stop it unless you have RE's planted as the last line of defense. How about HMG's be a support weapon....long spool up before fire, accurate, high dps with moderate clip, but the kicker .....the user can't move when shooting. Similar to how the Breach FG operates. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1755	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:35:00 - [20] - Quote We already experienced this with the great medium suit era of 1.1 to 1.6. Assaults weren't in a great place (compared to slayer logis) but Scouts were very rare and by the time 1.6 rolled around heavies were becoming rare as well. As somebody who ran both Sentinel and Scout during that time it was pretty absurd. But where the meta is now I'm not that happy about either. I like being specialised, being OP is just silly. We'll bang, OK?

Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1757	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:38:00 - [21] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: G Felix wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Scouts were removed from the game? I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow. Well, right, Mr Musturd was rocking the knives even before the cloaks and he was damn good with them. If memory serves he still doesn't use cloaks but, I don't know that for a fact - been a while since I've played with him. Last time I encountered mustard in game he was cloaked. Though that was a while ago (a couple of months). We'll bang, OK?
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1757	Posted - 2014.11.07 07:42:00 - [22] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: I wonder how balanced the game if you wouldn't get these massive heavy rushes on objective points.....just bogarding the defense..no way to stop it unless you have RE's planted as the last line of defense. How about HMG's be a support weapon....long spool up before fire, accurate, high dps with moderate clip, but the kicker .....the user can't move when shooting. Similar to how the Breach FG operates. That's kind of how I picture the Amarr heavy weapon (sigh). 4 second locked in place charge before a full on 7 second beam of death that's slow to turn (more anti tank than anti infantry as you'll struggle to follow targets). We'll bang, OK?
Dimitri Rascolovitch Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 269	Posted - 2014.11.07 08:26:00 - [23] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: G Felix wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Scouts were removed from the game? I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow. Well, right, Mr Musturd was rocking the knives even before the cloaks and he was damn good with them. If memory serves he still doesn't use cloaks but, I don't know that for a fact - been a while since I've played with him. Ive seen him cloak Bring back the Marauders, Enforcers, Logistic, and Scout LAVS and Dropships
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3048	Posted - 2014.11.07 09:06:00 - [24] - Quote Logi dropping RE on heavies? 4 November 2014 - the most funny day in Dust514
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4632	Posted - 2014.11.07 09:08:00 - [25] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see How balanced would the game be if the HMG was a squad support weapon, like in real life and not an oversized smg with the dispersion of a comicbook shotgun? Rub a lamp. I've been wanting this since beta. It won't happen no matter how many of us decide we want it to be a thing. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4453	Posted - 2014.11.07 14:49:00 - [26] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: G Felix wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Scouts were removed from the game? I would still get stabbed by Mr. Musturd somehow. Well, right, Mr Musturd was rocking the knives even before the cloaks and he was damn good with them. If memory serves he still doesn't use cloaks but, I don't know that for a fact - been a while since I've played with him. Ive seen him cloak He cloaks mostly to cross large stretches of ground from what I've seen. Tell you what, though, considering he's the only person who's ever knifed me several times, even when you are in the same squad, seeing him run off and cloak still sends a little chill down your spine. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Jebus McKing lol Proto 886	Posted - 2014.11.07 14:53:00 - [27] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Scouts were removed from the game? Nah. Just remove all scans and the game would be fine. Assault / Logi / Sentinel / Scout // @JebusMcKing
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2691	Posted - 2014.11.07 14:56:00 - [28] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Heavies, heavies everywhere, as far as the eye can see "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 111	Posted - 2014.11.07 15:00:00 - [29] - Quote 1. Take out cloaks - Would equal a better game for all 2. Move back the redline 500m or more - Forces out snipers into an area where you can flank and kill 3. Remove C4 - It is not a grenade 4. Remove the SL - Utterly broken in lock on, firing and tracking
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 129	Posted - 2014.11.07 17:00:00 - [30] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Take out cloaks - Would equal a better game for all 2. Move back the redline 500m or more - Forces out snipers into an area where you can flank and kill 3. Remove C4 - It is not a grenade 4. Remove the SL - Utterly broken in lock on, firing and tracking I agree up until no. 4, as the SL has been here a very long time before Dust became 'scoutfest 2014' "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!

Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona 520	Posted - 2014.11.07 17:05:00 - [31] - Quote Like in highlander movies, there can be only one. And that is goddamm Assault class Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 93	Posted - 2014.11.07 17:32:00 - [32] - Quote I am predominately a hunter scout without a cloak. I've gotten so lazy with dampeners because all the Assaults refuse to fit precision enhancers or skill into ewar. I can fit guns to counter your armor... you can fit eWar to counter my eWar... I can fit armor to counter your guns... Thanks for all the nerfs though, it won't help the fact that sometimes we run as a squad and communicate, but it does help us regain some of the pride we lost when we were the most heavily gimped class. I've stopped going for kills 100% of the time... every injured soldier removes two capable soldiers from the line. See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5208	Posted - 2014.11.07 17:35:00 - [33] - Quote I'd rather see them continue to try and balance them, but Dust would be 100% more fun currently if there were no scouts. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4454	Posted - 2014.11.07 17:56:00 - [34] - Quote Mahal Daj wrote: I am predominately a hunter scout without a cloak. I've gotten so lazy with dampeners because all the Assaults refuse to fit precision enhancers or skill into ewar. I can fit guns to counter your armor... you can fit eWar to counter my eWar... I can fit armor to counter your guns... Thanks for all the nerfs though, it won't help the fact that sometimes we run as a squad and communicate, but it does help us regain some of the pride we lost when we were the most heavily gimped class. I've stopped going for kills 100% of the time... every injured soldier removes two capable soldiers from the line. That's a completely baseless argument used to protect scouts. Assaults cannot effectively counter scout ewar in it's current state. The math is overwhelmingly in your favor, thus it is pointless. I put a complex precision mod on all my logi suits and can see the lazy dual tanked scouts with that and my maxed out passive skills but the second complex is not worth it as the damped scouts will still be invisible, especially when cloaked. Let's not pretend your advantage is really that easy to counter. (The godfather of tactical logistics)


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