DUST Search - New ISK payouts

Jathniel wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

239,531 ISK

1390 WP

Top of the rankings.

Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. Roll

:slow clap:

So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low?

And you did tell us they would be higher.

My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo.

Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive.

But yestersday was better.

CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release.

Please do.

Do you see the problem here?
http://tinypic.com/r/2qsvrzs/8
http://tinypic.com/r/9la242/8
http://tinypic.com/r/4rta2x/8
http://tinypic.com/r/4vo9l3/8

-------------> http://tinypic.com/r/33o1v1j/8 <---------------
Only 385k. Tried hard. Got the win. Didn't matter.

There was a great player on the other team. I killed him once.
Never saw him again, the rest of the match.
He did not think playing was worth it. That's broken.

I actually put some effort in. I carried a match against a team of lone-wolves that had decent coordination. The MU forced this match.
Why did I not get paid accordingly, for putting focus in?

For a slightly decent tryhard performance like this, I would like to earn 2mil isk.
The game has to be about having fun FIRST, balancing the checkbook SECOND.
We can't be having people that worried about money, unless they are fighting in PC, where the risk is real.
Right now, half decent players want to have fun, but managing their damn moneys are hard on them. I have plenty of cash, but I don't splurge... and I really WANT to.

"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro"

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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4531	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:06:00 - [1] - Quote 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 324	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:09:00 - [2] - Quote What do you mean 'low'? That's what they were before 1.9, that what they should have been after 1.9. The massive payouts after 1.9 was an over-fix for the 0 payouts that had been occurring immediately after 1.9. You can't win the lottery all the time...
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2332	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:09:00 - [3] - Quote Just posted about this in another thead. Yesterday WAS over the top and ridiculous but the game was a lot more fun purely because for the first time possibly ever, everyone was on a much more even footing in terms of isk. The game was fun. Today I feel like even with the supposed loyalty rank bonus, I am getting the same level of payouts as per usual. Pittance. If anything yesterday made me hate playing today lol. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4531	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:11:00 - [4] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: What do you mean 'low'? That's what they were before 1.9, that what they should have been after 1.9. The massive payouts after 1.9 was an over-fix for the 0 payouts that had been occurring immediately after 1.9. You can't win the lottery all the time... The old payout system was crap, the current system was crap, I've said it before. Yesterday was fun. It felt like we were being rewarded for playing. Right now I feel like the attitude is "Buy aurum fits or suck it." EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1613	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:12:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. they basically undid and then further nerfed the isk payout change.. i preffered it when it was bouncing around between 50k and 700k [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6477	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:14:00 - [6] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: What do you mean 'low'? That's what they were before 1.9, that what they should have been after 1.9. The massive payouts after 1.9 was an over-fix for the 0 payouts that had been occurring immediately after 1.9. You can't win the lottery all the time... Actually there was a time when 300k-450k was the norm for the top six. Though I'd assume most think I've drank too much and write off that claim. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2379	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:17:00 - [7] - Quote It was fun because it was new or novel. If it stayed like that, everyone would be complaining how everyone is running Prototype ALL THE TIME because money is meaningless. "Ohh, good move for the new player. Let them get SP to catch up with us but then let us always use proto gear. Do you want new players or not?!" Yesterday was cute. It may be "better to have loved and lost then to never loved at all" but "give them a taste and they will be begging for it again." "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 111	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:19:00 - [8] - Quote I was #1 last match and I got 80,000... Was it because I was hacking instead of killing? "All war is the result of one man's madness."
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 325	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:22:00 - [9] - Quote In my experience, isk payouts tend to drop significantly if you actively take part in a match. Back when you still had unlimited militia LAVs you could make a fair amount in just driving around the maps. The corp I was in would even have "New Eden 500" nights where we'd just jump into Ambush maps and race around because no vehicle limits. Fun times.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 10544	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:31:00 - [10] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1221	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:34:00 - [11] - Quote Why were isk payouts reduced? I liked getting millions from a dommy Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4531	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:45:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release. Thank you for responding. I did believe that the 3+ mil payouts was excessive. All I want, honestly, is for a reasonable feeling of reward for playing. Having to scrooge ten matches so you can run a reasonable supply of advanced fits doesn't do this. Reasonable payouts would allow players to sustain ADV as the gold standard of gear while being able to make enough profit to slowly build up a small stockpile of better gear. It's really easy to go negative using ANYTHING better than STD is, and has always been my problem. Logging in today was an absolute fuse blown for me seeing that my 10% Loyalty bonus meant I would now get the same amount of pay as before. I'll keep calm about it, because I really wasn't expecting a response. My personal belief is that 1m ISK payouts to 1.5 for excellent performance isn't unreasonable in a skirm or Dom because of how long they take to run. Ambush... I've never understood why the short matches pay out the exact same as the long ones. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Mex-0 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 117	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:47:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. The bug was fixed? NOOOOOOO!!! I didn't even get to exploit it yet! I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:52:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release. Cool you do that i can keep an eye on forums while I play other games Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 310	Posted - 2014.11.06 01:13:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release. Before I realized it was a bug I thought y'all had changed the way ISK and SP was rewarded. Basically I imagined it as ISK gained was based on a percentage of ISK destroyed. IE. if I kill a 150k suit I got 10 percent of that (or whatever x%) for 15k in isk. Assists were half that x divided by 2 I thought. (Assist on said 150k suit was 7.5k isk in payout.) I called it collateral damage score. Kill a militia hive get a couple dozen isk. Kill a proto hive get a couple hundred isk. All of that somewhat modified by WP earned. So slayers got more ISK whereas SP was heavily weighted towards your WPs and somewhat affected by collateral damage. IE. Rep logis not destroying alot of equipment or suits got SP but not as much isk. Which I thought at the time was a good idea -- then players would have to switch their playstyles between the two. Sometimes run kill fits for ISK and sometimes run teamwork fits for SP. And do a little of both at all time. Either way -- meatgrinder maps can get VERY expensive. But if you get a percentage based on collateral damage then you can earn a lot as well. It's more performance based. So I was digging the ISK increase (even if it was a bit too much.) Then I realized it was a bug. :(
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 254	Posted - 2014.11.06 01:24:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release. Totally agree with higher payouts based on performance. A logi that goes 0/10 w/ 3500 wp from uplinks, repair, hacking, and nanohives put in a lot of work supporting the team. Their pay should be well over 600k. Conversely the guy that sat in the warbarge spinning in circles the whole match should be paid accordingly (almost nil). There has got to be a way to differentiate between the afk warbarge guy and someone that is new or just sucks at FPS. I have no problem helping out the new guy, 0/17 with 150wp. Give them 100k and some SP... 0/0 with 0wp should pay NOTHING regardless of time spent in match. Set that up and more people will be motivated to push the letters. Also... AUTO FRAGO on all letter objectives. Anything that happens with in 40 meters of a letter should be double period. I see the smaller "Isolation" maps intent... Letter objectives with doubled wp gain combined with payouts favoring those that break 500wp means a helluva lot more pushing to the letter rather than hanging back.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5195	Posted - 2014.11.06 01:56:00 - [17] - Quote STYLIE77 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release. Totally agree with higher payouts based on performance. A logi that goes 0/10 w/ 3500 wp from uplinks, repair, hacking, and nanohives put in a lot of work supporting the team. Their pay should be well over 600k. Conversely the guy that sat in the warbarge spinning in circles the whole match should be paid accordingly (almost nil). There has got to be a way to differentiate between the afk warbarge guy and someone that is new or just sucks at FPS. I have no problem helping out the new guy, 0/17 with 150wp. Give them 100k and some SP... 0/0 with 0wp should pay NOTHING regardless of time spent in match. Set that up and more people will be motivated to push the letters. Also... AUTO FRAGO on all letter objectives. Anything that happens with in 40 meters of a letter should be double period. I see the smaller "Isolation" maps intent... Letter objectives with doubled wp gain combined with payouts favoring those that break 500wp means a helluva lot more pushing to the letter rather than hanging back. I like the auto frago idea a lot. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 70	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:07:00 - [18] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release. Thank you for responding. I did believe that the 3+ mil payouts was excessive. All I want, honestly, is for a reasonable feeling of reward for playing. Having to scrooge ten matches so you can run a reasonable supply of advanced fits doesn't do this. Reasonable payouts would allow players to sustain ADV as the gold standard of gear while being able to make enough profit to slowly build up a small stockpile of better gear. It's really easy to go negative using ANYTHING better than STD is, and has always been my problem. Logging in today was an absolute fuse blown for me seeing that my 10% Loyalty bonus meant I would now get the same amount of pay as before. I'll keep calm about it, because I really wasn't expecting a response. My personal belief is that 1m ISK payouts to 1.5 for excellent performance isn't unreasonable in a skirm or Dom because of how long they take to run. Ambush... I've never understood why the short matches pay out the exact same as the long ones. Today I went made a loss by losing just 2 suits (a mix of mlt, std and adv stuff) because of lower payouts than I've ever received. Despite getting over 500wp, I didn't even get 100k. On one match I topped the leaderboard on my team and only made 130k. By the middle of the match, the rest of my squad was sitting in the mcc because they knew there was no way they'd get close to breaking even if they lost another suit.
Henrietta Unknown Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 451	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:36:00 - [19] - Quote 80K matches here and there. I'm getting WP numbers that would usually net me 200+ ISK granted I didn't **** around. Give the Magsex some love.
Jathniel G I A N T 1233	Posted - 2014.11.06 09:27:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release. Please do. Do you see the problem here? http://tinypic.com/r/2qsvrzs/8 http://tinypic.com/r/9la242/8 http://tinypic.com/r/4rta2x/8 http://tinypic.com/r/4vo9l3/8 -------------> http://tinypic.com/r/33o1v1j/8 <--------------- There was a great player on the other team. I killed him once. Never saw him again, the rest of the match. He did not think playing was worth it. That's broken. I actually put some effort in. I carried a match against a team of lone-wolves that had decent coordination. The MU forced this match. Why did I not get paid accordingly, for putting focus in? For a slightly decent tryhard performance like this, I would like to earn 2mil isk. The game has to be about having fun FIRST, balancing the checkbook SECOND. We can't be having people that worried about money, unless they are fighting in PC, where the risk is real. Right now, half decent players want to have fun, but managing their damn moneys are hard on them. I have plenty of cash, but I don't splurge... and I really WANT to. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.

CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2340	Posted - 2014.11.06 09:46:00 - [21] - Quote Jathniel wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: 239,531 ISK 1390 WP Top of the rankings. Oh yeah. TOTALLY higher ISK payouts there CCP. :slow clap: So again, why the hell are the ISK payouts so low? And you did tell us they would be higher. My +10-isk percent increase seems to be just enough to maintain status quo. Yesterday was better, anything above 1.5 million was obnoxiously excessive. But yestersday was better. CPM and I discussed this at length yesterday too and want to explore higher payouts. Yesterday was obviously not right, but it should be more contribution based and higher. Let's take a breather and evaluate the situation a few days into the release. Please do. Do you see the problem here? http://tinypic.com/r/2qsvrzs/8 http://tinypic.com/r/9la242/8 http://tinypic.com/r/4rta2x/8 http://tinypic.com/r/4vo9l3/8 -------------> http://tinypic.com/r/33o1v1j/8 <--------------- Only 385k. Tried hard. Got the win. Didn't matter. There was a great player on the other team. I killed him once. Never saw him again, the rest of the match. He did not think playing was worth it. That's broken. I actually put some effort in. I carried a match against a team of lone-wolves that had decent coordination. The MU forced this match. Why did I not get paid accordingly, for putting focus in? For a slightly decent tryhard performance like this, I would like to earn 2mil isk. The game has to be about having fun FIRST, balancing the checkbook SECOND. We can't be having people that worried about money, unless they are fighting in PC, where the risk is real. Right now, half decent players want to have fun, but managing their damn moneys are hard on them. I have plenty of cash, but I don't splurge... and I really WANT to. And that's one situation and one reason why, 1.9 patch day was so much fun thanks to the high payouts. No shying away when a good match, even losing your best stuff, still nets a tidy profit. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3039	Posted - 2014.11.06 11:30:00 - [22] - Quote My best payout was 1.7 million, when it was bugged. BTW, ambush payout is good, it's dom and skirm which is too low, it should be 2-2.5X the ambush payout. 4 November 2014 - the most funny day in Dust514
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 560	Posted - 2014.11.06 11:53:00 - [23] - Quote This should be a event every month. Where payouts are just off the chain for 12 hours, everyone can grind away or a consumable item that gives crazy rewards for 12 hours that you can only use once a month. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
IVIaster LUKE 730	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:44:00 - [24] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: This should be a event every month. Where payouts are just off the chain for 12 hours, everyone can grind away or a consumable item that gives crazy rewards for 12 hours that you can only use once a month. Got a name for it already.....HAPPY HOUR! Loyalty Rank 12: GENERAL Best use of my girl's $$$. Keeps me out of the PUB where we met. R.I.P. Ben 1970-2014
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 43	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:20:00 - [25] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: What do you mean 'low'? That's what they were before 1.9, that what they should have been after 1.9. The massive payouts after 1.9 was an over-fix for the 0 payouts that had been occurring immediately after 1.9. You can't win the lottery all the time... Actually there was a time when 300k-450k was the norm for the top six. Though I'd assume most think I've drank too much and write off that claim. I was in that range till 1.9 Yet another slave of Mortedeamor


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