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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:59:00 -
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Like the good ole days.
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:00:00 -
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With FPS (apparently) improving they might tone down aim assist a bit. I wouldn't completely turn it off though.
My advice to you, playa...
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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
426
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:09:00 -
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There will always be alittle inherent AA because its how controllers work, but turning it down is never a bad thing.
Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2293
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:23:00 -
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Seriously how can anyone think that aim assist in an FPS game is a good thing? Its a cheating mechanic. Don't give me your bullshit excuses, AA has no place in an FPS games other than to appease **** bastards that cannot aim.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
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John ShepardIII
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:30:00 -
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Yeah turn in off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Black SlaverX
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
222
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:36:00 -
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The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other.
Watch your back because I might be there.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2626
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:47:00 -
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Black SlaverX wrote:The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other.
Reaaaaaaaaaally?
When I'm on the PC playing my other games, I sure as hell don't need AA...
Play Quake II and RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF SPEED!
Seriously, F*** AA.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7331
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:50:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other. Reaaaaaaaaaally? When I'm on the PC playing my other games, I sure as hell don't need AA... Play Quake II and RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF SPEED! Seriously, F*** AA.
K/BM provides far more accuracy when compared to a controller.
Since Dust support both, AA is included to stop the K/BM from ROFL stomping over 90% of the players in this game due to their superior ability to strafe and aim.
There is a reason why K/BM was banned on Fragged Nation for Competitive BF3 (PS3). K/BM is insane when used by the right people.
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
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Black SlaverX
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
222
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:51:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other. Reaaaaaaaaaally? When I'm on the PC playing my other games, I sure as hell don't need AA... Play Quake II and RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF SPEED! Seriously, F*** AA.
Yes really.
Oh... you used playing on the PC as an example. LOL.
If you don't want aim assists, stop playing on consoles.
Watch your back because I might be there.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1974
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:06:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other. Reaaaaaaaaaally? When I'm on the PC playing my other games, I sure as hell don't need AA... Play Quake II and RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF SPEED! Seriously, F*** AA. K/BM provides far more accuracy when compared to a controller. Since Dust support both, AA is included to stop the K/BM from ROFL stomping over 90% of the players in this game due to their superior ability to strafe and aim. There is a reason why K/BM was banned on Fragged Nation for Competitive BF3 (PS3). K/BM is insane when used by the right people.
I don't care how good you are, with Dust MKB support, even the best PC players will struggle.
Look at the leaderboards. None are MKB, to my knowledge. |
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Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2244
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:07:00 -
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M/kb is still pretty bad in Dust compared to PC shooters, or even compared Dust itself in the early days. They made it start emulating a controller, so now aiming with a mouse is kind of slippery even with acceleration turned off. With a sniper rifle at super long ranges...no problem. Anything closer and you're always overshooting where you're intending to be aiming. If you enable aim assist to partially make up for this, the AA mechanic occasionally goes skynet and makes you start spinning in a circle like a ballerina. To make that worse, the AA mechanism doesn't work if there is any movement on the mouse...so it very rarely does anything to begin with.
I've been playing PC shooters since PC shooters were a thing you could play, so I'm pretty good with a mouse. I even learned to play well with my non-dominant hand on the mouse (due to breaking my arm once). I still do better with the controller in Dust, despite being terrible with and hating using a controller for shooters. That's how **bad** mouse aiming is.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
4813
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:11:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other. Reaaaaaaaaaally? When I'm on the PC playing my other games, I sure as hell don't need AA... Play Quake II and RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF SPEED! Seriously, F*** AA.
You use a controller when playing PC games?
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:14:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other. Reaaaaaaaaaally? When I'm on the PC playing my other games, I sure as hell don't need AA... Play Quake II and RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF SPEED! Seriously, F*** AA. You use a controller when playing PC games?
Oh derped hard and thought you meant we needed AA because M&K needs it... >_<
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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zzZaXxx
Vengeance Unbound
624
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:17:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:With FPS (apparently) improving they might tone down aim assist a bit. I wouldn't completely turn it off though.
It can scarcely be turned down any more than it already has been. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:19:00 -
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As much fun as watching an Ambush match take 45 minutesGǪ could you imagine how long it would take for the wee ones to get out of the academy
Think of the n00bs
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
966
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:39:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other. Reaaaaaaaaaally? When I'm on the PC playing my other games, I sure as hell don't need AA... Play Quake II and RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF SPEED! Seriously, F*** AA. K/BM provides far more accuracy when compared to a controller. Since Dust support both, AA is included to stop the K/BM from ROFL stomping over 90% of the players in this game due to their superior ability to strafe and aim. There is a reason why K/BM was banned on Fragged Nation for Competitive BF3 (PS3). K/BM is insane when used by the right people. I don't care how good you are, with Dust MKB support, even the best PC players will struggle. Look at the leaderboards. None are MKB, to my knowledge.
+1
I can't believe this is still up for debate, unless 1.9/frame rate fixed KB/M, aim-assist or no aim-assist won't make any difference going up against a KB/M user in Dust, CCP screwed KB/M years ago. If you're a casual KB/M player im sure it feels fine and in some cases you feel like you have the edge (because you're even worse with the controller) but for experienced KB/M users its complete garbage with the emulation CCP has put it through..
As far as aim-assist goes. CCP is about making money and since it seems to be the industry standard when it comes to console games, I'm sure CCP isn't going to push their niche player base into an extremely small and low revenue generating niche player base.. Like they've already done by exiling the KB/M users... |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:40:00 -
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:45:00 -
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People who petition for less aim assist when Dust has pathetic levels of AA already do not understand the necessity for skill in to power out ratio's.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5826
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:12:00 -
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I don't care at this point. I will say that I generally prefer either no aim assist or extremely high aim assist. Middle of the road feels to clunky for me.
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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:20:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:People who petition for less aim assist when Dust has pathetic levels of AA already do not understand the necessity for skill in to power out ratio's.
Doesn't matter to you though Zatara... nade out, eh?
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2299
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:21:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:People who petition for less aim assist when Dust has pathetic levels of AA already do not understand the necessity for skill in to power out ratio's.
What? Please explain what you mean.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1977
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:34:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:
I can't believe this is still up for debate, unless 1.9/frame rate fixed KB/M, aim-assist or no aim-assist won't make any difference going up against a KB/M user in Dust, CCP screwed KB/M years ago.
It made no difference whatsoever. MKB still stinks. |
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13429
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:38:00 -
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At least it's not as bad as other FPSs.
*Looks at Destiny*
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Riruodo
Templar Investigative Commission
401
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:45:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other. Reaaaaaaaaaally? When I'm on the PC playing my other games, I sure as hell don't need AA... Play Quake II and RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF SPEED! Seriously, F*** AA. K/BM provides far more accuracy when compared to a controller. Since Dust support both, AA is included to stop the K/BM from ROFL stomping over 90% of the players in this game due to their superior ability to strafe and aim. There is a reason why K/BM was banned on Fragged Nation for Competitive BF3 (PS3). K/BM is insane when used by the right people.
yeah, but how many players here actually use K/BM aside from hard core snipers?
Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:48:00 -
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Atiim wrote:At least it's not as bad as other FPSs.
*Looks at Destiny*
Destiny shooting mechanics + over strong AA > Dust shooting mechanics + weak AA
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:16:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Black SlaverX wrote:The reason we have aim assists is because of mouse and keyboard.
If we have one we must have the other. Reaaaaaaaaaally? When I'm on the PC playing my other games, I sure as hell don't need AA... Play Quake II and RELIVE THE GLORY DAYS OF SPEED! Seriously, F*** AA. K/BM provides far more accuracy when compared to a controller. Since Dust support both, AA is included to stop the K/BM from ROFL stomping over 90% of the players in this game due to their superior ability to strafe and aim. There is a reason why K/BM was banned on Fragged Nation for Competitive BF3 (PS3). K/BM is insane when used by the right people.
But according to the KB/m players KB/m is already pre-nerfed by CCP - KB/m vs DS3 has never been a real factor in Dust |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:51:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Atiim wrote:At least it's not as bad as other FPSs.
*Looks at Destiny* Destiny shooting mechanics + over strong AA > Dust shooting mechanics + weak AA
Quoted on the premise of truth.
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:16:00 -
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AA doesn't belong in any serious competitive shooter.
But anywho, Legion will make this whole argument moot.
PC gamers will not tolerate a bunch of scrubs running around with robotic marksmanship and bullet path bending super powers.
The real problem is going to be rebalancing the whole game in an environment where people can actually MISS their shots. |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4308
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:21:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:AA doesn't belong in any serious competitive shooter.
But anywho, Legion will make this whole argument moot.
PC gamers will not tolerate a bunch of scrubs running around with robotic marksmanship and bullet path bending super powers.
The real problem is going to be rebalancing the whole game in an environment where people can actually MISS their shots.
Dude we must not be talking about the same game...whether using KBM or Controller outside of the AA range (CQC) **** just feels slippery.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
1311
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:22:00 -
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make AA a high slot mod
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
3140
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:34:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:AA doesn't belong in any serious competitive shooter.
But anywho, Legion will make this whole argument moot.
PC gamers will not tolerate a bunch of scrubs running around with robotic marksmanship and bullet path bending super powers.
The real problem is going to be rebalancing the whole game in an environment where people can actually MISS their shots.
I know right, thats why you never see an aimbot in a pc fps
Oh wait...
Seriously though everyone bitching about the aim assist that also thinks moving to PC will save the day is a moron |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2303
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:36:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:AA doesn't belong in any serious competitive shooter.
But anywho, Legion will make this whole argument moot.
PC gamers will not tolerate a bunch of scrubs running around with robotic marksmanship and bullet path bending super powers.
The real problem is going to be rebalancing the whole game in an environment where people can actually MISS their shots.
Could you imagine counter strike or BF4 competitive play with aim assist? No I didn't think so.
You know its not even a 'console thing'. There have been many shooting games on consoles over the years that did not have aim assist.
If you need aim assist in a game there are literally only 2 reasons.
A. The shooting mechanics are screwy and need some fine tuning.
B. You need to practice you aim instead of relying on 'bots' to aim for you.
Seriously I really hope we get Legion. I can't wait to at least play on even terms. Yes I realise this is a console game and the DS3 is the native control method but CCP promised us old EVE players that KB/M would be fully supported. (I suppose they didnt say that it wouldn't be gimped.....clever CCP.)
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Grease Spillett
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
517
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:38:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Seriously how can anyone think that aim assist in an FPS game is a good thing? Its a cheating mechanic. Don't give me your bullshit excuses, AA has no place in an FPS games other than to appease **** bastards that cannot aim.
I am 100 percent good with aa going off as soon as kbm is removed.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4308
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:44:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Seriously how can anyone think that aim assist in an FPS game is a good thing? Its a cheating mechanic. Don't give me your bullshit excuses, AA has no place in an FPS games other than to appease **** bastards that cannot aim. I am 100 percent good with aa going off as soon as kbm is removed.
It's not just this though...AA and other parts of the shooting mechanics of the game balance the playing field for player skill.
If you have the shooting mechanics/AA so bare bones that the best player vs the worst player is 1 million times better as opposed to only 1000 times better...you foster a game where only the hardcore will play, which is bad for business.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
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Lloyd Orfay
SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
161
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:46:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:With FPS (apparently) improving they might tone down aim assist a bit. I wouldn't completely turn it off though.
Aim assist is nearly non existent on the guns right now (unless it was changed prior to 1.9 update)
Removing it would be quite a nonsensical idea since humans cannot achieve the same precision coordinating movements with a controller than they would with a mouse.
Insane but good way to clean dust of highlifes: give all players character biomassing snipers
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:46:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Seriously how can anyone think that aim assist in an FPS game is a good thing? Its a cheating mechanic. Don't give me your bullshit excuses, AA has no place in an FPS games other than to appease **** bastards that cannot aim. I am 100 percent good with aa going off as soon as kbm is removed.
Careful, those KBMs are everywhere.
Lurking under your bed.
Super strafing after you while you're getting your groceries.
Topping the Dust leaderboards... oh wait. |
KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
705
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:47:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Seriously how can anyone think that aim assist in an FPS game is a good thing? Its a cheating mechanic. Don't give me your bullshit excuses, AA has no place in an FPS games other than to appease **** bastards that cannot aim. I am 100 percent good with aa going off as soon as kbm is removed. It's not just this though...AA and other parts of the shooting mechanics of the game balance the playing field for player skill. If you have the shooting mechanics/AA so bare bones that the best player vs the worst player is 1 million times better as opposed to only 1000 times better...you foster a game where only the hardcore will play, which is bad for business.
Yeah, that's why TF2 is dead and has no casual players. |
el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:52:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:KA24DERT wrote:AA doesn't belong in any serious competitive shooter.
But anywho, Legion will make this whole argument moot.
PC gamers will not tolerate a bunch of scrubs running around with robotic marksmanship and bullet path bending super powers.
The real problem is going to be rebalancing the whole game in an environment where people can actually MISS their shots. I know right, thats why you never see an aimbot in a pc fps Oh wait... Seriously though everyone bitching about DUST514 that also thinks moving to PC will save the day is a moron
FTFY
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Jebus McKing
lol Proto
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:53:00 -
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MAG did not have AA.
But then again, controls in MAG were REAAAAAALLY precise and hitdetection was much better than DUST.
If controls and hitdetection are fixed then we can tone down AA.
DUST514 is love // @JebusMcKing
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
707
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Posted - 2014.11.06 01:14:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:MAG did not have AA.
But then again, controls in MAG were REAAAAAALLY precise and hitdetection was much better than DUST.
If controls and hitdetection are fixed then we can tone down AA.
A lot of people don't realize how broken hit detection still is in this game.
Play mass driver or plasma cannon a few times and you'll get upset with the amount of times your round flies THROUGH someone without hurting them.
AA is a huge bandaid over that problem, but everyone's too busy being impressed with their own impeccable marksmanship to notice. |
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