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Ariadne Broadside
Army of 420's
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Posted - 2014.11.04 02:20:00 -
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The same thing happened to Bad Company 2, A majority of the team would camp in or outside of the bounds using long range rifles and contributing nothing to the team play (PTFO). I have noticed that this is still an issue, I could play 10 games and about 2 or 3 games this could happen and ruin the entire gameplay. Even in Faction Contracts this is an issue and possible solutions seem troubling with how the game mechanics work. Playing your own way and customizing your dropsuit is a must and is unique to this game because of its RPG quality but how do you prevent or dumb down this quality with restricting gameplay breaking mechanics such as this? These players don't have mics and if they do it's often hostile or music spamming. Battlefield 4 seems to fix this issue somehow but I think that is because the gameplay as a whole is objective based. Getting points in that game clearly defines on how team oriented you are rather than your K/D ratio which a lot of gamers are noticing. I think through time this could heal but it is so frustrating to be doing your best, spending your own money and getting killed by 12-20 players against you because 9-10 people on your team are completely useless! I think War-Points need to be overhauled and more team oriented goals should give you a much bigger ISK/XP boost than actual combat. This is why I think the issue from Battlefield games changed, because you always want more points and if the only way to go out on top is to be team/objective oriented the casual gameplay changes towards that role even with no communication between players. This is just my thought or rant on the subject, anyone else want to pitch in? |
TheEnd762
Sver true blood Public.Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 02:44:00 -
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I think the solution is to perma-ban anyone who think it's their place to tell others how to play (the ignorant mass that usually just want everyone to be some variant of Assault/Heavy) or how much their play-style is contributing. Killing enemies is contributing, doesn't matter if it's with Nova Knives, an AR/ScR/RR, an HMG, or a Sniper Rifle. Especially if you're doing that killing while not dying as much as possible. |
Sinboto Simmons
Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 03:21:00 -
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MY BLOODY EYES!
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1971
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:44:00 -
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TL;DR: The game should reward trying more than it does.
It never made sense to me that a sniper who sits in the redline the entire match, goes 1-0, and makes 200k isk more than an assault who takes five points and goes 35-7 in an advanced suit.
I agree! I think ISK generation should more closely match WP than it does today. If you do nothing, you should earn nothing. |
TheEnd762
Sver true blood Public.Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:40:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:TL;DR: The game should reward trying more than it does.
It never made sense to me that a sniper in a starter suit who sits in the redline the entire match, goes 1-0, and makes 200k isk more than an assault who takes five points and goes 35-7 in an advanced suit.
Bottom Line: I think ISK generation should more closely match WP than it does today. If you do nothing, you should earn nothing.
But hey, that's just me....
They won't. They'll make almost nothing. However, a sniper OUTSIDE the redline (yes, it's more than possible, it's common; or it used to be before the collective cry of ignorance overwhelmed fact and reality) who goes 20-0 will make a well-deserved stack. But go ahead, keep crying. All you'll do is turn those few redline snipers into AFKers. It already started with the last round of ridiculous nerfs. You will never ever get those people to contribute, no matter what you do, or how loud and stupid your whines get. |
VikingKong iBUN
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:56:00 -
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It hurts, I cant see what it says. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:50:00 -
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Ariadne Broadside wrote:The same thing happened to Bad Company 2, A majority of the team would camp in or outside of the bounds using long range rifles and contributing nothing to the team play (PTFO). I have noticed that this is still an issue, I could play 10 games and about 2 or 3 games this could happen and ruin the entire gameplay. Even in Faction Contracts this is an issue and possible solutions seem troubling with how the game mechanics work. Playing your own way and customizing your dropsuit is a must and is unique to this game because of its RPG quality but how do you prevent or dumb down this quality with restricting gameplay breaking mechanics such as this? These players don't have mics and if they do it's often hostile or music spamming. Battlefield 4 seems to fix this issue somehow but I think that is because the gameplay as a whole is objective based. Getting points in that game clearly defines on how team oriented you are rather than your K/D ratio which a lot of gamers are noticing. I think through time this could heal but it is so frustrating to be doing your best, spending your own money and getting killed by 12-20 players against you because 9-10 people on your team are completely useless! I think War-Points need to be overhauled and more team oriented goals should give you a much bigger ISK/XP boost than actual combat. This is why I think the issue from Battlefield games changed, because you always want more points and if the only way to go out on top is to be team/objective oriented the casual gameplay changes towards that role even with no communication between players. This is just my thought or rant on the subject, anyone else want to pitch in?
The red-line snipers in this game in general are non factors. They would be lucky to kill 100 people playing all day.
The good snipers have spots that they have found that are nearly impossible to catch sight of them.. USually requiring a dropship to get to and to counter therm. Most of the snipers are commandos and have a Back up AV weapon for dropships hunting them.
This is a problem with Map design and the lack of Elevators and Ladders contributing to the Multi level playability of the game. We have Extremely high Sky boxes... But most high structures aren't even done right, They are ripe with Invisible walls, Floating 2-5 ft in the air walking around the structure.. Never standing on it.
The rest is Poor Battle Academy Design... The Average player that picks up DUST gets little to no training on how to actually play the game in battle academy.. They arent taught to use vehicles, Drop uplinks and nanohives... Or even what a nanohive or uplink is. CCP Went half way there on the battle academy and then just stopped.. It's sad because it hurts their profits, Hurts player retention and Hurts the quality of the matches for the players that are here.
But CCP never has been good at teaching or informing people how to play their game... Without investing hours and hours of research on forums and online.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:03:00 -
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People in the redline using Sniper Rifles aren't Snipers, they're just AFKers in disguise.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:54:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:I think the solution is to perma-ban anyone who think it's their place to tell others how to play (the ignorant mass that usually just want everyone to be some variant of Assault/Heavy) or how much their play-style is contributing. Killing enemies is contributing, doesn't matter if it's with Nova Knives, an AR/ScR/RR, an HMG, or a Sniper Rifle. Especially if you're doing that killing while not dying as much as possible.
so true... and so hard to remember.
Hobby: Headshot on cloaked units
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Ariadne Broadside
Army of 420's
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:27:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:I think the solution is to perma-ban anyone who think it's their place to tell others how to play (the ignorant mass that usually just want everyone to be some variant of Assault/Heavy) or how much their play-style is contributing. Killing enemies is contributing, doesn't matter if it's with Nova Knives, an AR/ScR/RR, an HMG, or a Sniper Rifle. Especially if you're doing that killing while not dying as much as possible.
Nice try at trolling, your gameplay contributes nothing to the game mode being played, there is nothing wrong with camping in a TDM style match, but when you are collectively destroying your teams progress in an objective mode you are literally worthless.. Which is why I switch to battlefield, because I will find you, and steal your tags within 4 seconds of you killing me. |
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TheEnd762
SVER True Blood Public.Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:39:00 -
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Ariadne Broadside wrote:Nice try at trolling, your gameplay contributes nothing to the game mode being played, there is nothing wrong with camping in a TDM style match, but when you are collectively destroying your teams progress in an objective mode you are literally worthless.. Which is why I switch to battlefield, because I will find you, and steal your tags within 4 seconds of you killing me.
At least when I snipe I get my hands dirty, I move locations and drop nanohives or uplinks throughout the games flow. I can get a killstreak with a sniper and see you all the way over there finally killing someone after emptying 2 full mags. You are useless and have no skill.
Nice try yourself, kid. Let's see, where to start? Killing enemies is not destroying your team's progress, regardless of what mode. You are not hindering them in any way. The only way what you said could even come close to being true is if clone counts were infinite in skirm/dom, and if all items/weapons/suits were free.
If you're supposedly moving around so much when you snipe (yeah, right, try to sound credible by saying YOU do it, but the RIGHT way ), and dropping equipment, all you're doing is wasting valuable killing time and giving away your position.
You're ignorant, a liar, a troll, and a poor one at that. |
Ariadne Broadside
Army of 420's
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:48:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:Ariadne Broadside wrote:Nice try at trolling, your gameplay contributes nothing to the game mode being played, there is nothing wrong with camping in a TDM style match, but when you are collectively destroying your teams progress in an objective mode you are literally worthless.. Which is why I switch to battlefield, because I will find you, and steal your tags within 4 seconds of you killing me.
At least when I snipe I get my hands dirty, I move locations and drop nanohives or uplinks throughout the games flow. I can get a killstreak with a sniper and see you all the way over there finally killing someone after emptying 2 full mags. You are useless and have no skill. Nice try yourself, kid. Let's see, where to start? Killing enemies is not destroying your team's progress, regardless of what mode. You are not hindering them in any way. The only way what you said could even come close to being true is if clone counts were infinite in skirm/dom, and if all items/weapons/suits were free. If you're supposedly moving around so much when you snipe (yeah, right, try to sound credible by saying YOU do it, but the RIGHT way ), and dropping equipment, all you're doing is wasting valuable killing time and giving away your position. You're ignorant, a liar, a troll, and a poor one at that.
Yes because 3 people versus 10 is great while all of you sit in your corner slowly getting kills over time, why don't you man up and help the battle instead of your K/D score? |
TheEnd762
SVER True Blood Public.Disorder.
666
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:50:00 -
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Ariadne Broadside wrote:TheEnd762 wrote:Ariadne Broadside wrote:Nice try at trolling, your gameplay contributes nothing to the game mode being played, there is nothing wrong with camping in a TDM style match, but when you are collectively destroying your teams progress in an objective mode you are literally worthless.. Which is why I switch to battlefield, because I will find you, and steal your tags within 4 seconds of you killing me.
At least when I snipe I get my hands dirty, I move locations and drop nanohives or uplinks throughout the games flow. I can get a killstreak with a sniper and see you all the way over there finally killing someone after emptying 2 full mags. You are useless and have no skill. Nice try yourself, kid. Let's see, where to start? Killing enemies is not destroying your team's progress, regardless of what mode. You are not hindering them in any way. The only way what you said could even come close to being true is if clone counts were infinite in skirm/dom, and if all items/weapons/suits were free. If you're supposedly moving around so much when you snipe (yeah, right, try to sound credible by saying YOU do it, but the RIGHT way ), and dropping equipment, all you're doing is wasting valuable killing time and giving away your position. You're ignorant, a liar, a troll, and a poor one at that. Yes because 3 people versus 10 is great while all of you sit in your corner slowly getting kills over time, why don't you man up and help the battle instead of your K/D score?
Right, because 10 people sniping on one team is a common thing. I've never seen more than 3 out of 16, unless the match is ALREADY a one-sided lost cause. |
Ariadne Broadside
Army of 420's
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:55:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:Ariadne Broadside wrote:TheEnd762 wrote:Ariadne Broadside wrote:Nice try at trolling, your gameplay contributes nothing to the game mode being played, there is nothing wrong with camping in a TDM style match, but when you are collectively destroying your teams progress in an objective mode you are literally worthless.. Which is why I switch to battlefield, because I will find you, and steal your tags within 4 seconds of you killing me.
At least when I snipe I get my hands dirty, I move locations and drop nanohives or uplinks throughout the games flow. I can get a killstreak with a sniper and see you all the way over there finally killing someone after emptying 2 full mags. You are useless and have no skill. Nice try yourself, kid. Let's see, where to start? Killing enemies is not destroying your team's progress, regardless of what mode. You are not hindering them in any way. The only way what you said could even come close to being true is if clone counts were infinite in skirm/dom, and if all items/weapons/suits were free. If you're supposedly moving around so much when you snipe (yeah, right, try to sound credible by saying YOU do it, but the RIGHT way ), and dropping equipment, all you're doing is wasting valuable killing time and giving away your position. You're ignorant, a liar, a troll, and a poor one at that. Yes because 3 people versus 10 is great while all of you sit in your corner slowly getting kills over time, why don't you man up and help the battle instead of your K/D score? Right, because 10 people sniping on one team is a common thing. I've never seen more than 3 out of 16, unless the match is ALREADY a one-sided lost cause.
It happens often, during a session of play I will encounter up to 3 full games of this, They are obviously not friends but collectively playing the same style while ignoring the battlefield at hand. While I think its awesome you can play the way you want to. However I believe it is more powerful and fun to adapt to a number of situations and use everything at your disposal, it's not that sniping at extreme distances is completely useless, it is when the majority of your team does this from the start of the round, giving the enemy the headstart and oppression against your dwindling reinforcements, until your skill doesn't mean anything because they keep overpowering you, yet when you look on the map everyone is sniping but for a small few trying to push on |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:58:00 -
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OP it really depends on what CCP wants. If they want more teamplay (and they do) they can always increase rewards for hacking or defending objectives or killing near objectives a lot. Then people will do it.
But they might value sandbox play (players can do whatever--your freedom to choose) over said teamplay. And then not put in those incentives.
I, for one, think that a 30 meter area around objectives where you get bonus WP, SP, and ISK(LP) when you kill someone in, or from, that area would do so much for the game.
But if they never put it in that's ok with me. Sandbox is cool too. Depends on what CCP wants. |
TheEnd762
SVER True Blood Public.Disorder.
666
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Posted - 2014.11.11 02:09:00 -
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Go ahead, increase payout for objective stuff. Won't stop snipers from sniping. Nothing will, ever. The losers who sit in the redline and go 0/3 will always be there. If you remove the sniper rifle, then they'll just AFK. REAL snipers aren't concerned with more payout OR their K/D. They snipe because it's fun for them. Lining up that perfect shot, especially on a moving target, hearing that headshot ding, that's the thrill. The same thrill the cannon-fodder assaults get from holding down their full-auto trigger, getting kills on those weaker than them, or zerg-rushing an objective.
We're not an Army, sworn to fight who/what/when/how we're told. We're mercs, free to operate as we please. |
killertojo42
Trevor Philips Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.11.11 04:01:00 -
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Honestly you can't terribly help pubs but if you are a reputation ten with a faction you should be able to 30 day ban people while in factiomal of that faction that aren't doing a damn thing, i'm not even rank 10 at my min fw yet but i feel it's fair so i at least have a haven from idiots
When walking on the battlefield i stand alone
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
247
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Posted - 2014.11.11 04:36:00 -
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Red line snipers are worthless cowards, but for some reason ccp loves to promote the cheapest game play I mean look what they did to impact ridge. You can really blame the players for being fail because the devs promote it.
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