DUST Search - Spotted on SISI....

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Lady MDK wrote:

A services section which has an item called 'Skill Tree reset and refund'.....

Probably for EVE. It's shocking that people on here say that someone with 15mil SP will have an advantage over someone with 40mil SP just because of a respec. There's no critical thinking going on there.

True, but the interesting thing is that it states "mercenary's skills" rather than Capsuleer, which is what EVE pilots have been known as since I think the very beginning.

Plus, EVE is much, much, MUUUCCCCHHHH more set in stone as written by Moses/Jesus/Buddha/Allah/Flying Spaghetti Monster about never giving Skill Refunds. The only time I can remember there being a refund was when the learning skills were completely removed and that was because it was about 20% of a newer player's SP and the change was too big to not cause problems without refunding. DUST is more liberal in that regard, being a different game and more casual, about them.

I would still be surprised if it means what it might mean. EVE has had small arms and tanks on the market interface for a while now but obviously no way to buy or make them. With the economy never coming, it sits there as a relic of things not meant to be.

I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

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Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2096	Posted - 2014.10.25 19:17:00 - [31] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Don't mind me. Just here to eat my popcorn. Know something we don't? Well, yes you do, but here. passes butter and cheddar powder "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1348	Posted - 2014.10.25 19:29:00 - [32] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Lady MDK wrote: Curse you non believers http://s1179.photobucket.com/user/arealwaveydave/media/Stuff/Infantrystuff_zpsd1a44406.png.html?sort=3&o=0 Does the link work? Won't work for me. Link no longer works. Could someone post another please. {:)}{3GÇó>
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4036	Posted - 2014.10.25 19:32:00 - [33] - Quote @Son-Of A-Gun I saved it to my twitter. https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/526081565353590784 Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1348	Posted - 2014.10.25 19:59:00 - [34] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: @Son-Of A-Gun I saved it to my twitter. https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/526081565353590784 Perfect. Thanx. {:)}{3GÇó>
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 143	Posted - 2014.10.25 20:09:00 - [35] - Quote Xmar Handfelid wrote: CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: Xmar Handfelid wrote: Here is what this system should be like Npc vendor: just make it like some pawn shop you get more isk depending on what weapon/drop suit you have and it's value (depending on its status militia, basic, avd, proto gear) vehicles should also be marketed for a high price to. Any if your trading Auram items to the npc vendor then you'll get Auram back because isk is to stupid to do ( it's like trading diamonds for bronze) Visual custimazation: it should only cost isk because Aurum would lose the whole point in the system. But it could be for a high isk price maybe 2 million. But this would really let people express themselves in the game. Skill tree respec vendor: isk only but for a major isk cost yes this may give to much power to some people but it's better to have respec more often then waiting for one for over 2 ******* months then getting dropped for some unknown reason why. But that's what I think diamonds for bronze wht? you know the chemical symbol for gold is Au right? So aur is just gold. I was talking about aurum not gold aurum is gold. READ
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3495	Posted - 2014.10.25 22:15:00 - [36] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Interesting. Thanks for the picture, mi Lady. I don't think we can read too much into it. For all we know, it might mean that they are working on a Legion test server to allow people to respec as they wish. Or it might mean that it will come over to DUST for Aurum. Or it might mean that CCP knew that we Mercs are looking for any scrap of information like Sherlock Holmes in regards to the game and Hilmar said "You know that John Wick thing? Well, how about another one to get them digging at the walls." There IS a reason why his name is CCP Hellmar... So who the hell knows? Hopefully the devs. /thread See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2228	Posted - 2014.10.25 23:08:00 - [37] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Lady MDK wrote: A services section which has an item called 'Skill Tree reset and refund'..... Probably for EVE. It's shocking that people on here say that someone with 15mil SP will have an advantage over someone with 40mil SP just because of a respec. There's no critical thinking going on there. True, but the interesting thing is that it states "mercenary's skills" rather than Capsuleer, which is what EVE pilots have been known as since I think the very beginning. Plus, EVE is much, much, MUUUCCCCHHHH more set in stone as written by Moses/Jesus/Buddha/Allah/Flying Spaghetti Monster about never giving Skill Refunds. The only time I can remember there being a refund was when the learning skills were completely removed and that was because it was about 20% of a newer player's SP and the change was too big to not cause problems without refunding. DUST is more liberal in that regard, being a different game and more casual, about them. I would still be surprised if it means what it might mean. EVE has had small arms and tanks on the market interface for a while now but obviously no way to buy or make them. With the economy never coming, it sits there as a relic of things not meant to be. Don't EVE pilots get a neural remap every year? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2106	Posted - 2014.10.25 23:15:00 - [38] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Don't EVE pilots get a neural remap every year? Every 3 months I think but it is TOTALLY different. (Scratch that, it is every year) In EVE, you get SP from training a skill rather than spending it like in DUST. You earn SP based on the amount of Primary and Secondary Attribute you have based on the skill. For example, Spaceship Command is Perception (primary) and Willpower (second), I think been a few years. So the more Perception and Willpower you have, the faster you finish earning the skill because you get the SP faster. Remap lets you change where your attributes are. This is nice because with a good plan and remap, you can shave off a week or two of training for a long push into something. Yes, there are programs for EVE that let you carefully plan out the most efficient remap so you get skills you want the most the fastest. Remap has nothing to do with SP otherwise. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13838	Posted - 2014.10.25 23:48:00 - [39] - Quote Any indications of Amarr HAV yet? "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1036	Posted - 2014.10.26 00:28:00 - [40] - Quote can i get a pic of the customization heading? Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.

Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 155	Posted - 2014.10.26 08:01:00 - [41] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: can i get a pic of the customization heading? I can get one... But there wasnt much to see, just multiple placeholder items or they arent pointing to the database correctly yet. Its mainly just a list of [nomessageID: insert number here]. No descriptions or anything. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 177	Posted - 2014.10.26 08:19:00 - [42] - Quote I would imagine if they made respecs cost aur we would all get one I mean the first one is always free right. Sadly it gives them incentive to unbalance and rebalance the game for ever. The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.Wizard Talk
Ghural WarRavens Capital Punishment. 326	Posted - 2014.10.26 08:41:00 - [43] - Quote Introducing a respec option makes sense if you ask me. It allows CCP to evaluate it's use (or misuse) and see if it would be something worth having in Legion.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 4171	Posted - 2014.10.26 09:04:00 - [44] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Lady MDK wrote: A services section which has an item called 'Skill Tree reset and refund'..... Probably for EVE. It's shocking that people on here say that someone with 15mil SP will have an advantage over someone with 40mil SP just because of a respec. There's no critical thinking going on there. Obviously that's true, but it's not quite what people argue. The actual argument runs more along the lines of "a person with 15M benefits more from a respec than a person with 40M". Which is because you can only ever invest so much SP into a single fitting, and 15M is starting to hit that cap. CCP Rattati ily! AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 GÇó CalLogi 5 now what?
Haerr Clone Manque 1688	Posted - 2014.10.26 10:25:00 - [45] - Quote Ghural wrote: Introducing a respec option makes sense if you ask me. It allows CCP to evaluate it's use (or misuse) and see if it would be something worth having in Legion. This is a really good observation. +1 Even if it turns out that they simply do not like the huge amounts of Gé¼ / -ú / $ that it would bring in, no harm as we would get our SP transfered as a lump sum into Legion regardless. Haerr's huge list of wish for 1.9 - 1.10: Fix mouse support.
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2928	Posted - 2014.10.26 11:36:00 - [46] - Quote Respecs are coming, F*ck you respec haters. Fix mouse support in Dust 514! How to do it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=965407#post965407
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9878	Posted - 2014.10.26 12:04:00 - [47] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Don't EVE pilots get a neural remap every year? Every 3 months I think but it is TOTALLY different. (Scratch that, it is every year) In EVE, you get SP from training a skill rather than spending it like in DUST. You earn SP based on the amount of Primary and Secondary Attribute you have based on the skill. For example, Spaceship Command is Perception (primary) and Willpower (second), I think been a few years. So the more Perception and Willpower you have, the faster you finish earning the skill because you get the SP faster. Remap lets you change where your attributes are. This is nice because with a good plan and remap, you can shave off a week or two of training for a long push into something. Yes, there are programs for EVE that let you carefully plan out the most efficient remap so you get skills you want the most the fastest. Remap has nothing to do with SP otherwise. Pretty much this. Respecs allow the player to redistribute their Skill Points. Eve's Neural Remap system doesn't. Therefore the two systems are not similar at all. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9878	Posted - 2014.10.26 12:07:00 - [48] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Respecs are coming, F*ck you respec haters. I've always hated respecs. But oh well. If CCP is seriously going this route, I hope they impose restrictions on it like a time limit, amount of SP you lose every time you respec, or something to mitigate FoTM chasing. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1622	Posted - 2014.10.26 12:11:00 - [49] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: SISI backwards is ISIS Is "Dat Forum Warrior"
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2928	Posted - 2014.10.26 12:21:00 - [50] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Respecs are coming, F*ck you respec haters. I've always hated respecs. But oh well. If CCP is seriously going this route, I hope they impose restrictions on it like a time limit, amount of SP you lose every time you respec, or something to mitigate FoTM chasing. I have been against payed respecs too, since SP should be refunded when stats are changed. Unfortunately CCP does not have the manpower to refund SP when they do changes, and thus, we are not getting refunds. Fix mouse support in Dust 514! How to do it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=965407#post965407

NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 520	Posted - 2014.10.26 12:31:00 - [51] - Quote Repecs option reinforce the alpha stages of Dust. If that's the case just give everyone max skills so we can move on from Dust. Then you can make a business case that Dust is dead and spend full development resources on something else.. Sadley it's the long hard grind that keeps us committed. But what do I know..... Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 302	Posted - 2014.10.26 12:38:00 - [52] - Quote ugh, i would quit this game if it was isk for respec. if it was one respec every 20 mil or so sp i would be cool with that.
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 213	Posted - 2014.10.26 12:50:00 - [53] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Lady MDK wrote: A services section which has an item called 'Skill Tree reset and refund'..... Probably for EVE. It's shocking that people on here say that someone with 15mil SP will have an advantage over someone with 40mil SP just because of a respec. There's no critical thinking going on there. Mercenaries are on Dust 514, Pilots are on Eve Online. The terminology gives it away.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 158	Posted - 2014.10.26 13:04:00 - [54] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: SISI backwards is ISIS ISIS is also the EVE client ship recognition system.... DaDaDaDuuunnnn!!! Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2262	Posted - 2014.10.26 13:26:00 - [55] - Quote Haerr wrote: Ghural wrote: Introducing a respec option makes sense if you ask me. It allows CCP to evaluate it's use (or misuse) and see if it would be something worth having in Legion. This is a really good observation. +1 Even if it turns out that they simply do not like the huge amounts of Gé¼ / -ú / $ that it would bring in, no harm as we would get our SP transfered as a lump sum into Legion regardless. When it comes to skill refunds in New Eden i'm solidly of a 'torture, slay and eat the weak' frame of mind. But for DUST i'm letting it go, because for now at least we have no meaningful connection to New Eden. So respecs in a niche scifi lobby shooter where actions have no real consequences? Absolutely. In Legion? Absolutely not - unless it too has no meaningful connection to New Eden. PSN: RationalSpark
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2119	Posted - 2014.10.26 16:14:00 - [56] - Quote I still think we are reading too much into it but I have always found it curious how people would say "This is New Eden; it needs to be X because that is how it is in EVE." I have never heard this about any other game. I have never heard that complaint about TF2 because it is more of a carefree shooter compared to CS. I doubt anyone would say "World of Warcraft has terrible classes because there is no Headhunter, Grunt, or Webspinner; WTF Blizzard!" Saying that a game has to be like another game in methodology because they share the same universe and creator is something that players only do with CCP. But I digress from what the original point of this message is: Again, too much being read into this. There is also the market where we can see Caldari Assault suits in EVE but we now know that EVE integration will NEVER happen in DUST and may never happen in Legion. Hell, LEGION may NEVER happen... "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4348	Posted - 2014.10.26 18:14:00 - [57] - Quote No comment. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 330	Posted - 2014.10.26 19:26:00 - [58] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: SISI backwards is ISIS ISIS is also the EVE client ship recognition system.... DaDaDaDuuunnnn!!! Wake up America! Knight Soiaire I BELIEVE!
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 159	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:17:00 - [59] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Just spotted on the EVE test server.... An Agent by the name of - Jara Kumora whose job is to provide a link to the new eden marjet for mercs (Presumably the NPC who will buy all our unwanted merc gear from us judging by the description).... But Also.... A services section which has an item called 'Skill Tree reset and refund'..... Also a heading called ' Visual Customisation' so maybe we can splash some paint on our dropsuits Self congratulatory called it post The crystal ball was working for a change. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
STYLIC KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:22:00 - [60] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Lady MDK wrote: Just spotted on the EVE test server.... An Agent by the name of - Jara Kumora whose job is to provide a link to the new eden marjet for mercs (Presumably the NPC who will buy all our unwanted merc gear from us judging by the description).... But Also.... A services section which has an item called 'Skill Tree reset and refund'..... Also a heading called ' Visual Customisation' so maybe we can splash some paint on our dropsuits Self congratulatory called it post The crystal ball was working for a change. Double jointed shoulders allows one to pat ones own back.



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