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hfderrtgvcd 957	Posted - 2014.10.23 00:41:00 - [1] - Quote http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1117	Posted - 2014.10.23 00:46:00 - [2] - Quote They never left. Too many basic and militia suits still using the things. Spotted a comment from one of the devs awhile back that said militia AR's were actually top in the killboard, even outdoing RR's and CR's. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
G Felix Second-Nature 51	Posted - 2014.10.23 00:55:00 - [3] - Quote Maybe it's because the AR is like a comfortable shoe. For so long it was the only option we had for a rifle that many of us got really accustomed to it. I still use my exile often. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 321	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:02:00 - [4] - Quote I don't think the AR is a bad gun. Its just that the meta of armor tanking in unfavorable to a weapon focused on shields. Same for the scrambler but an even worse profile to armor. The recent buff to AR especially the breach variants is what warranted many returning to the AR. Now if people would stop complaining about using a weapon meant for short ranges against longer ranged weapons and instead close the gap before engaging. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 236	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:06:00 - [5] - Quote Why was the plc so high for like a day?Did pyrex buy like a million of them?
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 85	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:06:00 - [6] - Quote The assault rifles have yet to be destroyed by the devs and community. Antisocial players don't deserve their solo gameplay.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9852	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:08:00 - [7] - Quote More like SMG 514 if you look at the sidearm market. The SMG actually sold more than the AR on the same day. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1609	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:10:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah the AR is doing alright now days. The breach is pretty good (good enough it's my main choice on Manus Peak, crazy I know) but the regular one while good could still use a little love. The tac is alright for camping an objective and the burst, I haven't really used that one. I think the Gal Assault bonus should be something a bit different though. We already have a skill that tightens hip fire dispersion for the AR. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1609	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:13:00 - [9] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: The assault rifles have yet to be destroyed by the devs and community. They were for a while; for the longest time the the CR and the the RR just completely outclassed it. Made the Balac's just another glorified paper weight. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
hfderrtgvcd 958	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:15:00 - [10] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Why was the plc so high for like a day?Did pyrex buy like a million of them? victor hadah jr. bought like 50,000 proto plcs that day You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13757	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:24:00 - [11] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Why was the plc so high for like a day?Did pyrex buy like a million of them? victor hadah jr. bought like 50,000 proto plcs that day Now you are about to ask "Why did Viktor do that?" Did he expect a market boom in the future? Did he love the weapon with all his heart? Is he a major shareholder in Allotek Industres? The answer to all of those questions is "Maybe. Sure why not?" Truth is he is just a rich oligarch who turns his nose up at the "poor"s (pronounced as "puers") "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1985	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:25:00 - [12] - Quote lol at sidearms. Mercs whine about the rail rifle but refuse to shield tank to counter it. But that's none of my business.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2637	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:46:00 - [13] - Quote The BrAR could be the best LW in the game right now "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 295	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:59:00 - [14] - Quote i raised all stats to 5, ain't backing out now
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1396	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:24:00 - [15] - Quote As those are bought weapons, If we are accurate, it actually means that AR is the type of weapon whose owners have the biggest need to buy new ones, i.e. are the ones getting killed People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 160	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:31:00 - [16] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: As those are bought weapons, If we are accurate, it actually means that AR is the type of weapon whose owners have the biggest need to buy new ones, i.e. are the ones getting killed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7Y4goDi35E The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.Wizard Talk
hfderrtgvcd 960	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:32:00 - [17] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: As those are bought weapons, If we are accurate, it actually means that AR is the type of weapon whose owners have the biggest need to buy new ones, i.e. are the ones getting killed someone mentioned this to rattati before when he was talking about usage statistics and he confirmed that the performance correlates to the amount bought. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5574	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:36:00 - [18] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Why was the plc so high for like a day?Did pyrex buy like a million of them? I was really really bored one night and remembered i was super rich so i thought why not spend a few 100mil ISK to buy a lot of plasma cannons. http://i.imgur.com/mKHAmAt.jpg Wanted to test if the market tracker actually works. It obviously does. EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs 350Mil ISK
G Felix Second-Nature 53	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:40:00 - [19] - Quote These stats can't account for BPO's though, right? It's really only part of the picture. The more dedicated players are more likely to own BPO's, potentially skewing the stats even further. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
hfderrtgvcd 961	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:13:00 - [20] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Why was the plc so high for like a day?Did pyrex buy like a million of them? I was really really bored one night and remembered i was super rich so i thought why not spend a few 100mil ISK to buy a lot of plasma cannons. http://i.imgur.com/mKHAmAt.jpg Wanted to test if the market tracker actually works. It obviously does. In the past half year the entirety of dust could not buy more of a single type of weapon in one day. If you ever have some spare isk in the future, you can always send some my way You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 630	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:15:00 - [21] - Quote I love how the already low Scrambler Rifle just takes an nosedive. It is bought about as much as the Mass Driver now... It is bought about Gàô as much as the next lowest rifle. Yet Rattati has the nerve to say that it is "in line with the other rifles, and where we want it to be." Swag-suit4lyfe!
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1610	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:22:00 - [22] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: I love how the already low Scrambler Rifle just takes an nosedive. It is bought about as much as the Mass Driver now... It is bought about Gàô as much as the next lowest rifle. Yet Rattati has the nerve to say that it is "in line with the other rifles, and where we want it to be." Sales data doesn't indicate much on performance other than people that are buying more are dying more. Which doesn't support what you're saying. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8079	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:22:00 - [23] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Why was the plc so high for like a day?Did pyrex buy like a million of them? Arkena decided to buy a bunch of PLCs one day to screw it up. I'm not even joking, I'm dead serious. I have the skype chat to prove what he was doing. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 630	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:28:00 - [24] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: I love how the already low Scrambler Rifle just takes an nosedive. It is bought about as much as the Mass Driver now... It is bought about Gàô as much as the next lowest rifle. Yet Rattati has the nerve to say that it is "in line with the other rifles, and where we want it to be." Sales data doesn't indicate much on performance other than people that are buying more are dying more. Which doesn't support what you're saying. Except that the nosedive coincides with a nerf to the ScR. Logically, we can say that the ScR is being bought much less because it was nerfed, not because the users are dying less, because they are dying more... because it was nerfed. Too much. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1328	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:33:00 - [25] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: They never left. Too many basic and militia suits still using the things. Spotted a comment from one of the devs awhile back that said militia AR's were actually top in the killboard, even outdoing RR's and CR's. we shouldnt have MLT weapons counted on the tally as it gives false positives [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1328	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:35:00 - [26] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: I love how the already low Scrambler Rifle just takes an nosedive. It is bought about as much as the Mass Driver now... It is bought about Gàô as much as the next lowest rifle. Yet Rattati has the nerve to say that it is "in line with the other rifles, and where we want it to be." thank you for the tool. its evident that scout/light suits are being used nearly twice as much as most other suits [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1939	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:39:00 - [27] - Quote G Felix wrote: Maybe it's because the AR is like a comfortable shoe. For so long it was the only option we had for a rifle that many of us got really accustomed to it. I still use my exile often. if the AR is a comfy shoe then the ScR is a shoe filled with broken glass and rock salt =.= Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1397	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:42:00 - [28] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: As those are bought weapons, If we are accurate, it actually means that AR is the type of weapon whose owners have the biggest need to buy new ones, i.e. are the ones getting killed someone mentioned this to rattati before when he was talking about usage statistics and he confirmed that the performance correlates to the amount bought. I think it correlates to ALL OF THEM. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Atiim 13151	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:06:00 - [29] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Why was the plc so high for like a day?Did pyrex buy like a million of them? Victor Haddah Jr thought that it would be funny to buy 13337 Plasma Cannons to screw up CCP's market data. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Atiim 13151	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:12:00 - [30] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Except that the nosedive coincides with a nerf to the ScR. Logically, we can say that the ScR is being bought much less because it was nerfed, not because the users are dying less, because they are dying more... because it was nerfed. Too much. If they're dying more than the sales would actually be going up as more SCRs would be purchased upon restocking the dropsuit fitting. Then there's the whole "quantity does not equal quality" thing. An easy example: you'll notice that Commandos and Assaults are the least purchased, despite the fact that they are both very good (at least where the Matari versions are concerned). The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 630	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:14:00 - [31] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: I love how the already low Scrambler Rifle just takes an nosedive. It is bought about as much as the Mass Driver now... It is bought about Gàô as much as the next lowest rifle. Yet Rattati has the nerve to say that it is "in line with the other rifles, and where we want it to be." thank you for the tool. its evident that scout/light suits are being used nearly twice as much as most other suits Um thanks? What... Swag-suit4lyfe!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 630	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:22:00 - [32] - Quote Atiim wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Except that the nosedive coincides with a nerf to the ScR. Logically, we can say that the ScR is being bought much less because it was nerfed, not because the users are dying less, because they are dying more... because it was nerfed. Too much. If they're dying more than the sales would actually be going up as more SCRs would be purchased upon restocking the dropsuit fitting. Then there's the whole "quantity does not equal quality" thing. An easy example: you'll notice that Commandos and Assaults are the least purchased, despite the fact that they are both very good (at least where the Matari versions are concerned). Alright. Yup. The Nerf to the ScR somehow made it better... Survivability went up because of the Nerf, so people are buying less. Sure. No. People are buying less because its a price of crap right now. It needs a damn buff. But Rattati has his head so far up the Federation's Ass that he isn't willing to admit it because of all the nice ARs up there. Swag-suit4lyfe!
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 236	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:56:00 - [33] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Why was the plc so high for like a day?Did pyrex buy like a million of them? I was really really bored one night and remembered i was super rich so i thought why not spend a few 100mil ISK to buy a lot of plasma cannons. http://i.imgur.com/mKHAmAt.jpg Wanted to test if the market tracker actually works. It obviously does. In the past half year the entirety of dust could not buy more of a single type of weapon in one day. So you spent the whole day buying 135k plcs in incraments of 100.You must be a playa.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 263	Posted - 2014.10.23 07:00:00 - [34] - Quote Bump -- not for thread name -- but more for nice graph.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5578	Posted - 2014.10.23 07:01:00 - [35] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Why was the plc so high for like a day?Did pyrex buy like a million of them? I was really really bored one night and remembered i was super rich so i thought why not spend a few 100mil ISK to buy a lot of plasma cannons. http://i.imgur.com/mKHAmAt.jpg Wanted to test if the market tracker actually works. It obviously does. In the past half year the entirety of dust could not buy more of a single type of weapon in one day. So you spent the whole day buying 135k plcs in incraments of 100.You must be a playa. Got about as much entertainment out of that as playing that months iteration of dust... EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs 350Mil ISK

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 9063	Posted - 2014.10.23 07:53:00 - [36] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: As those are bought weapons, If we are accurate, it actually means that AR is the type of weapon whose owners have the biggest need to buy new ones, i.e. are the ones getting killed this man speaks some truth "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 9063	Posted - 2014.10.23 07:58:00 - [37] - Quote we have to correlate purchases to restock(due to deaths) or stock up (due to incentive - f.ex. buff), versus spawns (decision to use) - versus volume (kills) versus efficiency (kills/spawn) Then we can couple it with dropsuit and weapon combination and then we can filter by Battle Type (Planetary Conquest vs Factional Warfare vs Public Contracts) and look at some correlations We have been working on hardening our methods and I am currently working on a blog. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8081	Posted - 2014.10.23 08:25:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: we have to correlate purchases to restock(due to deaths) or stock up (due to incentive - f.ex. buff), versus spawns (decision to use) - versus volume (kills) versus efficiency (kills/spawn) Then we can couple it with dropsuit and weapon combination and then we can filter by Battle Type (Planetary Conquest vs Factional Warfare vs Public Contracts) and look at some correlations We have been working on hardening our methods and I am currently working on a blog. PC Data might be the most valuable DATA there is for you. It will show you just how viable some things are in a competitive, competent, environment.... A place where I don't have to worry about blues stealing my LAV....it's glorious! CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 4169	Posted - 2014.10.23 08:31:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: As those are bought weapons, If we are accurate, it actually means that AR is the type of weapon whose owners have the biggest need to buy new ones, i.e. are the ones getting killed this man speaks some truth Taking that to its logical conclusion, though, that means one of two things: either everyone who uses the AR is beyond terribad, and should be euthanised to save their sorry KDR, or the rifle is seeing dramatically more use. In the same way, I can't see the validity of Atiim's argument; I logged on for the first time in months yesterday (internet troubles) and played with a few friends; I was running Amarr Assault and CalLogi, and while everyone else in the squad had access to one or more (usually more) medium suits, to a man they stated that the durability of a medium (or commando, I suppose) is practically irrelevant next to the power of a heavy suit, or the speed and EWAR of a scout suit. And I played for two hours and I have to say, I wouldn't be able to bear soloing in a medium frame. (For the record, my Amarr Assault has over 1k EHP on top of 20 hp/s armour). Now, I'm not trying to suggest that the mediums need to be buffed further, or that the AR has been overbuffed so much as I think perhaps there are more endemic problems to the game, like the very nature of EWAR? CCP Rattati ily! AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 GÇó CalLogi 5 now what?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18367	Posted - 2014.10.23 09:49:00 - [40] - Quote Hey, you can see where Viktor bought all his plasma cannons. EDIT: @Kirk - I bought a number, but not enough for a spike of that magnitude. I bought something like 5000 alloteks across several days, Viktor bought literally hundreds of thousands of STD placons. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. GM Scotsman is my hero.



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