DUST Search - Why are BPO's a thing again?

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Wel,l hasn't this become a "respec discussion" thread. I guess I will weigh on what it has become.

The disconnect between people want respecs often and those that are against them barring major changes is an interesting one. The strawmen are "these EVE guys are controlling our game. DUST is not EVE so stop trying to make it Internet Spaceships" and "these guys just cry and cry because they don't want to actually think and keep with their decisions." Strawmen are pretty worthless for actually getting anywhere, especially when both sides are doing it.

Simply put, DUST is not EVE. It is meant to be faster paced and more forgiving. This is why respecs are given at all rather than just Neural Remap. The argument of "why no respecs for Aurum if we want it?" is no different than if players in WoW wanted to be able to buy the best gear in the game; it is one of those things that's natural to want, but that you shouldn't necessarily have. Saying "no X ever because it doesn't work like that in EVE" is just as facile though as it is a different game and genre and thank Tibus Heth for that one because a FPS that was as slow, methodical, and convoluted as EVE would not work well, just as like if an RTS required as much of a grind as an MMO.

Again, I do want to thank the CPM guys, Archduke, and everyone else for supplying the answer to the original question.

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Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2050	Posted - 2014.10.22 15:37:00 - [61] - Quote Wel,l hasn't this become a "respec discussion" thread. I guess I will weigh on what it has become. The disconnect between people want respecs often and those that are against them barring major changes is an interesting one. The strawmen are "these EVE guys are controlling our game. DUST is not EVE so stop trying to make it Internet Spaceships" and "these guys just cry and cry because they don't want to actually think and keep with their decisions." Strawmen are pretty worthless for actually getting anywhere, especially when both sides are doing it. Simply put, DUST is not EVE. It is meant to be faster paced and more forgiving. This is why respecs are given at all rather than just Neural Remap. The argument of "why no respecs for Aurum if we want it?" is no different than if players in WoW wanted to be able to buy the best gear in the game; it is one of those things that's natural to want, but that you shouldn't necessarily have. Saying "no X ever because it doesn't work like that in EVE" is just as facile though as it is a different game and genre and thank Tibus Heth for that one because a FPS that was as slow, methodical, and convoluted as EVE would not work well, just as like if an RTS required as much of a grind as an MMO. Again, I do want to thank the CPM guys, Archduke, and everyone else for supplying the answer to the original question. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1801	Posted - 2014.10.22 16:49:00 - [62] - Quote Newbs With Bewbs wrote: I run proto 24/7 because I don't make a net loss from it, just like all the other players I know that can afford to do it. Not with this character, you don't. 679 total kills. 3.19 KDR. I know a lot of very good players in this game. None of them can afford to run Proto all the time....without some other source of ISK.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 911	Posted - 2014.10.22 17:57:00 - [63] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Newbs With Bewbs wrote: I run proto 24/7 because I don't make a net loss from it, just like all the other players I know that can afford to do it. Not with this character, you don't. 679 total kills. 3.19 KDR. I know a lot of very good players in this game. None of them can afford to run Proto all the time....without some other source of ISK. I do, but thats because my corp has gone fully casual, so I ninja'ed the warchest for myself being CEO and all. So, i disprove your point by proving it....right...? Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.
Nirwanda Vaughns 846	Posted - 2014.10.22 18:15:00 - [64] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Wel,l hasn't this become a "respec discussion" thread. I guess I will weigh on what it has become. The disconnect between people want respecs often and those that are against them barring major changes is an interesting one. The strawmen are "these EVE guys are controlling our game. DUST is not EVE so stop trying to make it Internet Spaceships" and "these guys just cry and cry because they don't want to actually think and keep with their decisions." Strawmen are pretty worthless for actually getting anywhere, especially when both sides are doing it. Simply put, DUST is not EVE. It is meant to be faster paced and more forgiving. This is why respecs are given at all rather than just Neural Remap. The argument of "why no respecs for Aurum if we want it?" is no different than if players in WoW wanted to be able to buy the best gear in the game; it is one of those things that's natural to want, but that you shouldn't necessarily have. Saying "no X ever because it doesn't work like that in EVE" is just as facile though as it is a different game and genre and thank Tibus Heth for that one because a FPS that was as slow, methodical, and convoluted as EVE would not work well, just as like if an RTS required as much of a grind as an MMO. Again, I do want to thank the CPM guys, Archduke, and everyone else for supplying the answer to the original question. if this game had more aspects of EVE in it, it'd be a whole lot better and more balanced game. EVEs lasted 11yrs for a reason and what helps it stand out is the no-nonsense attitude of CCP in terms of reimbursements for things and i think the same should stand with dust. not only that but i don't know any other FPS game where the developers give you back XP if they change something. i don't see battlfield 4's forums full of people wanting XP from their recon class moving into assault class cos a sniper rifle got altered. what is worth noting is that isn't it a coincidence that when there are changes to modules/suits/weapons we get a 3x SP event? could this perhaps be structured to allow people to spec into alternate skills? too many peopel want everything thier way. if they can't use the stuff they want the way they want to they just come cry on the forums with their toys threw out the pram on the original topic of BPOs though the fact is they wouldn't and dont affect the economy. they're nice fancy (sometimes shiny) vanity items that help fund the game a little. personally i wish the Devs would stick to more racial themes instead (the Quafe shoudl have been gallente Assault/logi/scout/sentinel) but i'll take what they're giving out and i just hope we get other class/racial BPOs on a regular rotation (and at a reonable price 22k AUR is far too much) perhaps with a full set of BPOs for each race for 4 weeks at a time. the black eagle galolente set, the caldari state protectorate set, Khanid amarr set, nefantar minmatar sets ect, all 4 (perhaps 5?) class of suits for all 4 races with bundle prices as well 30k AUR for 4 BPOs and i think CCP would see the coffers filled a bit more Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 251	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:38:00 - [65] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: We do what we can. See the NPC vendor planned for 1.9. I should have known respecs will be brought up again So just to be sure, keep an eye on the DEV blog - should respecs ever be available again, that's where we'd announce it. Told you guys I can only repeat myself on this Edit: proto and logistic vehicles are mentioned on every single meeting we have, it's up to Rattati now poke him with a bigger stick that says "Free the Logistic, Enforcer, and Marauders ", then we can rebalance AV towards the proto tier vehicles Bring back the Marauders, Enforcers, Logistic, and Scout LAVS and Dropships
Ivy Zalinto Second-Nature 376	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:57:00 - [66] - Quote Since bpo's are coming back, any racial scout bpo's coming to the field? Been wanting a templar scout or a caldari bpo of some kind. I like my gallente but another suit would be nice =) Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler pistols are still lethal.
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 252	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:00:00 - [67] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Since bpo's are coming back, any racial scout bpo's coming to the field? Been wanting a templar scout or a caldari bpo of some kind. I like my gallente but another suit would be nice =) quafe scout bpos Bring back the Marauders, Enforcers, Logistic, and Scout LAVS and Dropships
Ivy Zalinto Second-Nature 376	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:12:00 - [68] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Since bpo's are coming back, any racial scout bpo's coming to the field? Been wanting a templar scout or a caldari bpo of some kind. I like my gallente but another suit would be nice =) quafe scout bpos Do they have those? I have quafe gallente scouts but they are proto and i dont want to use them cause i dont see them coming out again really. I wouldnt mind a rose pink scout to use. Bright pink....gonna be fun to kill everything in pink...I like pink.. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Pay attention to your surroundings or your getting 2 in the back of the head.
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 253	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:14:00 - [69] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Since bpo's are coming back, any racial scout bpo's coming to the field? Been wanting a templar scout or a caldari bpo of some kind. I like my gallente but another suit would be nice =) quafe scout bpos Do they have those? I have quafe gallente scouts but they are proto and i dont want to use them cause i dont see them coming out again really. I wouldnt mind a rose pink scout to use. Bright pink....gonna be fun to kill everything in pink...I like pink.. not yet, but soon Oct/23 Bring back the Marauders, Enforcers, Logistic, and Scout LAVS and Dropships
Ivy Zalinto Second-Nature 376	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:20:00 - [70] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Since bpo's are coming back, any racial scout bpo's coming to the field? Been wanting a templar scout or a caldari bpo of some kind. I like my gallente but another suit would be nice =) quafe scout bpos Do they have those? I have quafe gallente scouts but they are proto and i dont want to use them cause i dont see them coming out again really. I wouldnt mind a rose pink scout to use. Bright pink....gonna be fun to kill everything in pink...I like pink.. not yet, but soon Oct/23 Neat! My quafe gk0 looks different though. More of a rosy color than the bright pink. But deffinetly something to look into Dedicated Stealth Scout. Pay attention to your surroundings or your getting 2 in the back of the head.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2107	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:53:00 - [71] - Quote Q. "Why are BPO`s a thing again?" A. Because they make CCP money and the reasons for taking them away originally are no longer apparent. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!

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