DUST Search - Why are BPO's a thing again?

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Wel,l hasn't this become a "respec discussion" thread. I guess I will weigh on what it has become.

The disconnect between people want respecs often and those that are against them barring major changes is an interesting one. The strawmen are "these EVE guys are controlling our game. DUST is not EVE so stop trying to make it Internet Spaceships" and "these guys just cry and cry because they don't want to actually think and keep with their decisions." Strawmen are pretty worthless for actually getting anywhere, especially when both sides are doing it.

Simply put, DUST is not EVE. It is meant to be faster paced and more forgiving. This is why respecs are given at all rather than just Neural Remap. The argument of "why no respecs for Aurum if we want it?" is no different than if players in WoW wanted to be able to buy the best gear in the game; it is one of those things that's natural to want, but that you shouldn't necessarily have. Saying "no X ever because it doesn't work like that in EVE" is just as facile though as it is a different game and genre and thank Tibus Heth for that one because a FPS that was as slow, methodical, and convoluted as EVE would not work well, just as like if an RTS required as much of a grind as an MMO.

Again, I do want to thank the CPM guys, Archduke, and everyone else for supplying the answer to the original question.

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Nirwanda Vaughns 839	Posted - 2014.10.21 19:25:00 - [1] - Quote Cash grab. they need to pay some christmas bonus' to themselves Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Nirwanda Vaughns 840	Posted - 2014.10.21 21:52:00 - [2] - Quote to be honest saving a grand total of about 10,000isk? for a fully militia BPO fit STD suit BPO wouldn't have damaged the economy that much anyway. sure the guys who owned them could run free suits for a week to fund their proto suits but thats the small bonus you have by spending -ú/$ but not only that you can still earn 1m isk an hour grinding ambush in a Logi M-I with reps, hive and an uplink. Would CCP have gone as far as removing the frontline/medic/antiarmour/sniper fits too? they're effectivly the same thing as a BPO. the only economy it ruined was CCPs income from consumable AUR items, items people refused to buy more than one of (for warbarge peacocking) because they're too easily lost to the dozens of broken mechanics and fotm's. if CCP had left BPOs and even the Merc packs (but offered racial themed merc packs) as they were then i think this game would be a lot different through the extra income provided because i knwo a lot of peopel would still be buying a merc pack a month if they got a themed suit and weapon/equipment BPO, the 4k AUR and the booster like before. for me, i like this new found passion the devs have for DUST but a part of me can't help but feel sad that its come 12months too late Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Nirwanda Vaughns 843	Posted - 2014.10.22 09:56:00 - [3] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: GM Archduke wrote: howard sanchez wrote: I have said it before and I will say it again: sell RESPECs for aurum. Good idea for BPOs, good idea for skill distribution. Don't sweat the long term because here and now is the best time to test how game balance in micro transaction environments can be pushed and managed. It's win win. Yes, this is often suggested, and a possible option if respecs will ever ever ever be available again - keep an eye on the DEV blog, that's where we'd announce if this ever happens. You know what would be really nice, if I could trade my 'useless' BPOs (from a Racial standpoint) for these shiny new ones that make more sense for my skill set (aka, all Minmatar suits). somehting similar was brought up a while ago on the forums. if you have multiple BPOs of a certain type, havihng them swapped to other racial suits so if you have 4 dragonfly scouts you can change them to dragonfly scout M-I, A-I, C-I while keeping the colour scheme of the dragonfly, same as with the dragonfly assault. also us templar/mystery code owners are still hoping to receive a 'templar' Scout A-I. any feedback on that would be spiffing Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Nirwanda Vaughns 846	Posted - 2014.10.22 13:43:00 - [4] - Quote gonna agree that i think respecs for AUR would be final nail in coffin for the game. i think we shoudl have somehting similar to EVE. there you can alter your characters attributes (that affect skill training speeds) once every 12 months from the last time you did it. allow DUST players something similar to completely return 1 tree of skills per 12 moths (dropsuit command, weapons, dropsuit upgrades, vehicles ect) for new players they have an option to fully return ALL skillpoints after the first 3months of playing. but it baffles me why the playerbase constantly believe they're entitled t oa respec. its your decision to go into a suit. if you choose to go into a fotm then its your own stupid fault, the only time i believe a respec is valid is if something major changes in an area. when we got all the suits, the full wepaons and when the heavy guys finally got their racial suits. other than that if your skill bonus gets changed make the most of the new roles, think outside the box and make the most of its strengths not whine focus on its weakensses. i skilled into AR's, everthing but optimization is at level 5 (thats at 3) AR's got nerfed, they got slightly buffed, nerfed again, slightly buffed then major buffed. folk would have whined for a respec whne they got nerfed, now they're whining for a respec cos the ARs got buffed and the stuff they reskilled into got balanced oh boo-bloody-hoo stuff goes in and out in this game, whats OP for a couple of months gets fixed, whats ps poor gets buffed to balance. just make the most of what you've got and stop being a bunch of lil whiney bches because your 'easy mode' suit/weapon got balanced and you actually have to get a bit of real skill to get kills now Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner*
Nirwanda Vaughns 846	Posted - 2014.10.22 18:15:00 - [5] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Wel,l hasn't this become a "respec discussion" thread. I guess I will weigh on what it has become. The disconnect between people want respecs often and those that are against them barring major changes is an interesting one. The strawmen are "these EVE guys are controlling our game. DUST is not EVE so stop trying to make it Internet Spaceships" and "these guys just cry and cry because they don't want to actually think and keep with their decisions." Strawmen are pretty worthless for actually getting anywhere, especially when both sides are doing it. Simply put, DUST is not EVE. It is meant to be faster paced and more forgiving. This is why respecs are given at all rather than just Neural Remap. The argument of "why no respecs for Aurum if we want it?" is no different than if players in WoW wanted to be able to buy the best gear in the game; it is one of those things that's natural to want, but that you shouldn't necessarily have. Saying "no X ever because it doesn't work like that in EVE" is just as facile though as it is a different game and genre and thank Tibus Heth for that one because a FPS that was as slow, methodical, and convoluted as EVE would not work well, just as like if an RTS required as much of a grind as an MMO. Again, I do want to thank the CPM guys, Archduke, and everyone else for supplying the answer to the original question. if this game had more aspects of EVE in it, it'd be a whole lot better and more balanced game. EVEs lasted 11yrs for a reason and what helps it stand out is the no-nonsense attitude of CCP in terms of reimbursements for things and i think the same should stand with dust. not only that but i don't know any other FPS game where the developers give you back XP if they change something. i don't see battlfield 4's forums full of people wanting XP from their recon class moving into assault class cos a sniper rifle got altered. what is worth noting is that isn't it a coincidence that when there are changes to modules/suits/weapons we get a 3x SP event? could this perhaps be structured to allow people to spec into alternate skills? too many peopel want everything thier way. if they can't use the stuff they want the way they want to they just come cry on the forums with their toys threw out the pram on the original topic of BPOs though the fact is they wouldn't and dont affect the economy. they're nice fancy (sometimes shiny) vanity items that help fund the game a little. personally i wish the Devs would stick to more racial themes instead (the Quafe shoudl have been gallente Assault/logi/scout/sentinel) but i'll take what they're giving out and i just hope we get other class/racial BPOs on a regular rotation (and at a reonable price 22k AUR is far too much) perhaps with a full set of BPOs for each race for 4 weeks at a time. the black eagle galolente set, the caldari state protectorate set, Khanid amarr set, nefantar minmatar sets ect, all 4 (perhaps 5?) class of suits for all 4 races with bundle prices as well 30k AUR for 4 BPOs and i think CCP would see the coffers filled a bit more Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner