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Horizon Limit Nexus Balusa Horizon 50	Posted - 2014.10.19 15:14:00 - [1] - Quote Side Arm Kills Militia Bolt Pistol -- 1010 Militia Flaylock Pistol -- 912 Militia Ion Pistol -- 877 Militia Magsec SMG -- 971 Militia Nova Knives -- 759 Militia Scrambler Pistol -- 846 Militia Submachine Gun -- 1277 That after all bolt pistol is not ultra OP, otherwise it would be number 1 by a large amount of kills. And that all the sidearms are more or less balanced and deadly in the right hands. BTW, i agree on a nerf on the alpha damage of the BP, a pistol with the same damage output of sniper rifle is a little bit too much, imho. Voice of oga....

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 8909	Posted - 2014.10.19 15:26:00 - [2] - Quote That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 502	Posted - 2014.10.19 15:29:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. That sounds trolley, but in not sure...
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 774	Posted - 2014.10.19 15:40:00 - [4] - Quote Any chance of me winning the Flaylock just went. :( The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P1. 66-3 with Dual-Miltia Bolt Pistols. OP? OP.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.10.19 15:40:00 - [5] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. That sounds trolley, but in not sure... Rattati- The kind of Game Developer that would troll their player base. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4181	Posted - 2014.10.19 15:46:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Well you can nerf it after the amarr get an smg (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens Capital Punishment. 351	Posted - 2014.10.19 15:51:00 - [7] - Quote Better conclusions could be drawn seeing numbers for all tiers, not just militia, only a few hard core mercs looking for the event's prize are going all out on militia - almost equally. www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4071	Posted - 2014.10.19 15:57:00 - [8] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Well you can nerf it after the amarr get an smg Neither does Gallente... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 489	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:00:00 - [9] - Quote Just saying that Alpha damage from the Bolt pistol is a answer to the damn annoying cloaky scouts. As a Caldari player i'd hate to have to remove the caldari side arm just to make the community feel better.. Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:06:00 - [10] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Well you can nerf it after the amarr get an smg Neither does Gallente... The point he was trying to make is that the Amarr have no close quarters weapons. So naturally, the Amarr-loyal mercs are just going to use what they have in close quarters anyway... If we had an Amarr SMG, we would have a close quarters weapon... Also, its not like the Gallente are hurting for gear variety. At all. Swag-suit4lyfe!

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2203	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:08:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. These don't look like boosting to you? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
TerranKnight87 Dead Man's Game RUST415 86	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:10:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Rattati Ned's to 'git gud'. This is TechMechMeds tanker. The revised edition of 'you mad bro' is 'madbecuzbad' Courtesy of BF4.
Horizon Limit Nexus Balusa Horizon 50	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:11:00 - [13] - Quote Cyrus Grevare wrote: Better conclusions could be drawn seeing numbers for all tiers, not just militia, only a few hard core mercs looking for the event's prize are going all out on militia - almost equally. Probably, but consider that MLT damage is the same of STD (except knives afaik) and to kill a lot of people with those weapons you don't need just time, i think they give a good picture of the current situation. Voice of oga....
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5500	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:17:00 - [14] - Quote NO NO NO Those numbers say CCP is counting incorrectly. I got 1,300 flaylock kills. i know below who got in the high thousands with other sidearms and these numbers are not even close to what they should be. This is part of the reason i did not try for another sidearm this weekend is because the numbers are completely off. EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs EVE 2nd decade CE items
poison Diego Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 467	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:20:00 - [15] - Quote I am telling you, I got 1394 kills with the bolt pistol and these numbers are complete bull is there a contradiction to jealousy? . if so, KingThunderBolt would know....
Horizon Limit Nexus Balusa Horizon 51	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:22:00 - [16] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: NO NO NO Those numbers say CCP is counting incorrectly. I got 1,300 flaylock kills. i know below who got in the high thousands with other sidearms and these numbers are not even close to what they should be. This is part of the reason i did not try for another sidearm this weekend is because the numbers are completely off. poison Diego wrote: I am telling you, I got 1394 kills with the bolt pistol and these numbers are complete bull 1394 & 1300 Still in line Voice of oga....
poison Diego Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 467	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:24:00 - [17] - Quote also had 1350 kills with the scrambler pistol... is there a contradiction to jealousy? . if so, KingThunderBolt would know....
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 489	Posted - 2014.10.19 17:05:00 - [18] - Quote People that are saying I got so many with this pistol.. was it a militia variant or different one. Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1606	Posted - 2014.10.19 17:13:00 - [19] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Well you can nerf it after the amarr get an smg Neither does Gallente... The AR doubles as the the Gallente SMG. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Foehammerr OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 87	Posted - 2014.10.19 17:33:00 - [20] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: The point he was trying to make is that the Amarr have no close quarters weapons. So naturally, the Amarr-loyal mercs are just going to use what they have in close quarters anyway... If we had an Amarr SMG, we would have a close quarters weapon... It's like people have never heard of the burst scrambler pistol before. *Rangers Lead The Way!* Beta Vet since 2/5/2013

Cass Caul 1224	Posted - 2014.10.19 17:39:00 - [21] - Quote Burst Scrambler is pretty awesome, I mean, The Burst Scrambler Pistol and the Sniper Rifle are the only weapons in the game you need to aim-down-sights to actually use properly On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4072	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:01:00 - [22] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Well you can nerf it after the amarr get an smg Neither does Gallente... The point he was trying to make is that the Amarr have no close quarters weapons. So naturally, the Amarr-loyal mercs are just going to use what they have in close quarters anyway... If we had an Amarr SMG, we would have a close quarters weapon... Also, its not like the Gallente are hurting for gear variety. At all. Well, since we don't have a log rand weapon does that mean the AR can double for that? 100m+ please. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4185	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:12:00 - [23] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Well you can nerf it after the amarr get an smg Neither does Gallente... The point he was trying to make is that the Amarr have no close quarters weapons. So naturally, the Amarr-loyal mercs are just going to use what they have in close quarters anyway... If we had an Amarr SMG, we would have a close quarters weapon... Also, its not like the Gallente are hurting for gear variety. At all. Well, since we don't have a log rand weapon does that mean the AR can double for that? 100m+ please. PC (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 255	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:15:00 - [24] - Quote Horizon Limit wrote: Side Arm Kills Militia Bolt Pistol -- 1010 Militia Flaylock Pistol -- 912 Militia Ion Pistol -- 877 Militia Magsec SMG -- 971 Militia Nova Knives -- 759 Militia Scrambler Pistol -- 846 Militia Submachine Gun -- 1277 That after all bolt pistol is not ultra OP, otherwise it would be number 1 by a large amount of kills. And that all the sidearms are more or less balanced and deadly in the right hands. BTW, i agree on a nerf on the alpha damage of the BP, a pistol with the same damage output of sniper rifle is a little bit too much, imho. Its not about how much is weapon used, what makes it OP. Its about how its performed overal. Making decisions how it or isnt OP only by amount of players who use it is honestly pure nonsence. Bullet magnetism, with damage, range and RoF is totaly of scale on this piece. I know the weapon should be by lore good on range and damage, but what we see on field right now is one/two shoots ridiculousness. There should be DEFO some tweaks for it, end of story. "Ultimate Loggi, Pirmatar and fabulous Tinker since 2012"
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4185	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:16:00 - [25] - Quote Foehammerr wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: The point he was trying to make is that the Amarr have no close quarters weapons. So naturally, the Amarr-loyal mercs are just going to use what they have in close quarters anyway... If we had an Amarr SMG, we would have a close quarters weapon... It's like people have never heard of the burst scrambler pistol or assault scrambler rifle before. It's like people don't understand how unreliable the burst scp is and how easily outmatched it is compared to an actual smg of the same tier. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 10	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:21:00 - [26] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: NO NO NO Those numbers say CCP is counting incorrectly. I got 1,300 flaylock kills. i know below who got in the high thousands with other sidearms and these numbers are not even close to what they should be. This is part of the reason i did not try for another sidearm this weekend is because the numbers are completely off. Are you sure you got those in a single day? Remember, the naming rights go to the player who gets the most militia grade sidearm kills in a downtime to downtime period.
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4072	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:24:00 - [27] - Quote The PC...really? That suppose to be our log range rifle? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1028	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:26:00 - [28] - Quote Foehammerr wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: The point he was trying to make is that the Amarr have no close quarters weapons. So naturally, the Amarr-loyal mercs are just going to use what they have in close quarters anyway... If we had an Amarr SMG, we would have a close quarters weapon... It's like people have never heard of the burst scrambler pistol or assault scrambler rifle before. The AScR is terrible in close quarters. By the time you get done slowly chipping through a heavies armor you are either killed or overheated and committed suicide. Against most scouts in close quarters it would be pretty good if only you were not instantly chopper down by either a SMG, CR, or BP. The burst ScP is a victim to bad hit detection. Your chances of landing all three shots from the burst on a scout are next to none. Against a heavy if you are good enough to land head shots it can compete there. If you want the AScR to be a CQC weapon it needs a reduction to dispersion and heat build up and a range reduction to keep it from becoming OP. I would rather see an actual Amarrian CQC weapon than an attempt to make one of our current weapons fit the bill.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 673	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:27:00 - [29] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The PC...really? That suppose to be our log range rifle? That's hilarious... I only got two longish range kills today... But it is definitely not absolutely terrible anymore. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5501	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:30:00 - [30] - Quote Kensai Dragon wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: NO NO NO Those numbers say CCP is counting incorrectly. I got 1,300 flaylock kills. i know below who got in the high thousands with other sidearms and these numbers are not even close to what they should be. This is part of the reason i did not try for another sidearm this weekend is because the numbers are completely off. Are you sure you got those in a single day? Remember, the naming rights go to the player who gets the most militia grade sidearm kills in a downtime to downtime period. Yes I did it in a single day woke up right after downtime and kept playing till downtime. EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs EVE 2nd decade CE items

Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4187	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:34:00 - [31] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The PC...really? That suppose to be our log range rifle? Your long range rifle is the tactical ar, your actually long range weapon is the PC that also doubles as a AV weapon. The Amarr on the other hand have no close range weapon actually worth a damn as the Ascr is just sad and the scp still over samples plus the burst scp is so horrible at hip fire it's basically a gamble to use the damn thing against a smg. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Cass Caul 1225	Posted - 2014.10.19 18:41:00 - [32] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Kensai Dragon wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: NO NO NO Those numbers say CCP is counting incorrectly. I got 1,300 flaylock kills. i know below who got in the high thousands with other sidearms and these numbers are not even close to what they should be. This is part of the reason i did not try for another sidearm this weekend is because the numbers are completely off. Are you sure you got those in a single day? Remember, the naming rights go to the player who gets the most militia grade sidearm kills in a downtime to downtime period. Yes I did it in a single day woke up right after downtime and kept playing till downtime. I salute your dedication On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1261	Posted - 2014.10.19 19:25:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. ScR? since you nerfed it i have yet to see people use it.. save one time in the past 3 days [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1261	Posted - 2014.10.19 19:32:00 - [34] - Quote Horizon Limit wrote: Side Arm Kills Militia Bolt Pistol -- 1010 Militia Flaylock Pistol -- 912 Militia Ion Pistol -- 877 Militia Magsec SMG -- 971 Militia Nova Knives -- 759 Militia Scrambler Pistol -- 846 Militia Submachine Gun -- 1277 That after all bolt pistol is not ultra OP, otherwise it would be number 1 by a large amount of kills. And that all the sidearms are more or less balanced and deadly in the right hands. BTW, i agree on a nerf on the alpha damage of the BP, a pistol with the same damage output of sniper rifle is a little bit too much, imho. lets see.. if it wasnt the event the flaylock kills would be down to maybe 50.. bolt pistol is fairly lower then expected because of the 2 nerfs since release (during event) ion pistol seems fairly stable as its a well balanced weapon for ROF and dmg per shot/clip even with the charged shot(which i feel gallente need a charged shot AR) NKs higher then expected as most scouts are fotm with RR or BK42 magsec seems only slightly higher then expected SCP is quite high since THEY nerfed it last time SMG.. expected as much as with +15% base to armor damage its the best for finishing off people and was the staple of starter fits for years.. at prof 5 its +30% to armor but still -15% to shield.. id rather PROF for projectiles was 2% damage to shield per level.. that way it rewards dumping sp into that skill to get the profile to -5% shield +15% armor.. that way its not a complete BEAST vs armor [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
TerranKnight87 Dead Man's Game RUST415 87	Posted - 2014.10.19 21:33:00 - [35] - Quote If people are actually counting the kills and the stats are wrong, that tells us two things. 1. People can't count. 2. 99% of us never had a chance lol. This is TechMechMeds tanker. The revised edition of 'you mad bro' is 'madbecuzbad' Courtesy of BF4.
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens Capital Punishment. 352	Posted - 2014.10.20 01:21:00 - [36] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Well you can nerf it after the amarr get an smg Neither does Gallente... The AR doubles as the Gallente SMG. Black Eagle Ar is the Gal SMG, ^^ www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 620	Posted - 2014.10.20 01:50:00 - [37] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Well you can nerf it after the amarr get an smg Neither does Gallente... The AR doubles as the Gallente SMG. In that case the assault scrambler rifle doubles as the Amarr SMG. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Top Men. 88	Posted - 2014.10.20 01:52:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. I actually wasn't aware that CCP Devs played Dust outside their "attack of the Devs" events! Keep it up, even if you are ninjas! A couple of small time gaming companies that formed near me have actually made it a policy that all developers have to play/experience/test their project at least 1 hour every day if they have a working prototype or beyond. A good policy! Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8039	Posted - 2014.10.20 05:25:00 - [39] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: That was my conclusion as well. I am so over being killed by Bolt Pistols, my anger stems most from RR and ScR kills from 10 to 20 meters. Well you can nerf it after the amarr get an smg Neither does Gallente... The point he was trying to make is that the Amarr have no close quarters weapons. So naturally, the Amarr-loyal mercs are just going to use what they have in close quarters anyway... If we had an Amarr SMG, we would have a close quarters weapon... Also, its not like the Gallente are hurting for gear variety. At all. The Gallente don't have any long range weapons either. Duvolle Tact has less range than a Rail Rifle Anywho you guys have the Scrambler pistol but I do agree that you guys are lacking Diversity with you weapons. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 349	Posted - 2014.10.20 05:39:00 - [40] - Quote the problem with bolt pistol is it has so much damage capacity and a long range, PICK ONE! not both Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.

Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2349	Posted - 2014.10.20 05:48:00 - [41] - Quote X7 lion wrote: the problem with bolt pistol is it has so much damage capacity and a long range, PICK ONE! not both Then the Caldari favoritism wouldn't be true. They quite literally have the best of everything infantry-wise. Prof. V Plasma Cannon and Gallente Commando V. There is no regret. Only explosions.
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 200	Posted - 2014.10.20 06:17:00 - [42] - Quote Horizon Limit wrote: Side Arm Kills Militia Bolt Pistol -- 1010 Militia Flaylock Pistol -- 912 Militia Ion Pistol -- 877 Militia Magsec SMG -- 971 Militia Nova Knives -- 759 Militia Scrambler Pistol -- 846 Militia Submachine Gun -- 1277 That after all bolt pistol is not ultra OP, otherwise it would be number 1 by a large amount of kills. And that all the sidearms are more or less balanced and deadly in the right hands. BTW, i agree on a nerf on the alpha damage of the BP, a pistol with the same damage output of sniper rifle is a little bit too much, imho. My issue is the range, needs more damage reduction over distance. Up close damage is fine.


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