Buff assault ewar, quit whinning nerf this and dat and fix da real problem, med suits are blind!

Make it so shield extenders and armor plates increase profile so assault scouts can't hide from scans and all other classes won't be really effected by this but it makes it so assaults can only do assault effectively and scouts have to play stealthily as intended

If scouts are really so powerful why don't you skill one, and complain about something else on forums? Why there is such a belief on forum that scout have to be weaker class?

If scouts are really so powerful why don't you skill one, and complain about something else on forums? Why there is such a belief on forum that scout have to be weaker class?

Make it so shield extenders and armor plates increase profile so assault scouts can't hide from scans and all other classes won't be really effected by this but it makes it so assaults can only do assault effectively and scouts have to play stealthily as intended

This is actually quite clever. Alters nothing in the game at all beside just adding a stat to a few modules, but could be quite interesting if anyone wants to do the math?

I also like the % HP modules as well, only three module in this game are based upon absolute values, and those are armor plates, shield extenders, and armor reps. It would raise TTK by the same percentage across all suits, rather than double-triple it on some and then add 50% on others.

Make it so shield extenders and armor plates increase profile so assault scouts can't hide from scans and all other classes won't be really effected by this but it makes it so assaults can only do assault effectively and scouts have to play stealthily as intended

Assaults and heavies don't care if they get scanned anyway including me, plus most of them don't have any SP in Ewar so it makes no sense to touch it for said classes and anything else but this will probably just kill scouts

No.

This will only make it harder to hide from scans for everyone. Buffing scans MUST NOT be the solution to nerf scouts because it affects every other suit as well.

Also Rattati already confirmed that the cloak will get a negative precision bonus and maybe assaults a profile buff. So let's wait and see how things turn out and if scout still is too good then we can make more changes.

A negative precision bonus doesn't stop scouts being able to stack shields and armour while still being unscannable. This isn't about precision, it's about stopping scouts being so low-risk.

A negative precision bonus doesn't stop scouts being able to stack shields and armour while still being unscannable. This isn't about precision, it's about stopping scouts being so low-risk.

I prefer adjusting numbers that fix the scout's inherent unscannability, so that they have more appealing options than brick out. Seems like a better fix to me.

Scouts already have to sacrifice a lot (save for Gallente) in order to remain truly unscannable (you have to remember the Gal Logi bonus), the numbers have to be this way.

IF you make them scannable, with no way to hide, their is no reason for them not to brick tank. Without the benefits of EWAR, HP tanking is the ONLY recourse.

This will do one of two things:

1) This will mean more tanked scouts, lots more, tons more.

2) This will likely mean the return to irrelevance of the scout role, as there would be ZERO incentive to run them over medium frames.

We already saw something similar with Alpha. Once the cloak dampening was taken away, and Minamatar and Amarr scouts could not avoid scans, you saw next to zero Minmatar and Amarr scouts, particularly in competitive environments.

There is a much EASIER and less destructive way of encouraging EWAR over HP, and that is to remove passive EWAR bonuses and focus them on modules so scouts have to use modules slots they would have used for HP to dampen.

Scouts already have to sacrifice a lot (save for Gallente) in order to remain truly unscannable (you have to remember the Gal Logi bonus), the numbers have to be this way.

IF you make them scannable, with no way to hide, their is no reason for them not to brick tank. Without the benefits of EWAR, HP tanking is the ONLY recourse.

This will do one of two things:

1) This will mean more tanked scouts, lots more, tons more.

2) This will likely mean the return to irrelevance of the scout role, as there would be ZERO incentive to run them over medium frames.

We already saw something similar with Alpha. Once the cloak dampening was taken away, and Minamatar and Amarr scouts could not avoid scans, you saw next to zero Minmatar and Amarr scouts, particularly in competitive environments.

There is a much EASIER and less destructive way of encouraging EWAR over HP, and that is to remove passive EWAR bonuses and focus them on modules so scouts have to use modules slots they would have used for HP to dampen.

You don't NEED to be literally unscannable to be a good scout. A Gal logi using 1 really good scanner scout be able to see stuff. That's the only thing they have going for them over other logis. Scouts now are so hard to scan. If they become easier to scan, then running 2 ewar mods and a cloak will be a more attractive option. Make cloaks have 5db better dampening so they can hide better, but not not all the time. Just while cloaked. These are just some ideas. There are better solutions to things besides making it stupid to fit only 1 or 2 hp mods. so you don't die.

last is Minnie. fair at best cpu/pg, bonuses are good if you knowhow to use them. (5% to hacking speed & nova damage) poorly balanced (looks good on paper) good for quick hacking even better with a complex codebreaker. the fastest of the scouts with 11.12 (barely by 0.01, gall scout top sprint is 11.11) fast stamina regen helps to sprinting in hacking, nova knife or throw remotes and get out quickly.
Cons is you must choose what you want to do due to not real balance like the other scouts. hacking fast use codebreakers but give up your damping, armor and speed. choose damping but give up speed, armor, and codebreakers. plus you can not shield tank and use speed mods not enough pg even on proto. so want to ewar to see and hide from the gal or amarr scout great but having low ehp and speed. shield it up some and you can not see others scouts. speed tank and some shield you can not hide from other scouts. this is a truly hard scout to run.

personally that is why I think the gall damping and Minnie hacking should switch. however the Minnie would get 2% damping at most while the gall get 5% to hacking. with 4 low slots they can easily run dampners with codebreakers to stealth hack and with they precision it would let them see others coming for them while letting them choose like the others scouts do now. if gall don't want the hacking how about 5% to scan range per level that adds 5 meters (at proto) to their 20 meters now plus if you have core range ap maxed that is 35 meters total while the caldari is 40 meters. but this was before Cpt McReady came up with this.

the fastest of the scouts with 11.12 (barely by 0.01, gall scout top sprint is 11.11)

Make it so shield extenders and armor plates increase profile so assault scouts can't hide from scans and all other classes won't be really effected by this but it makes it so assaults can only do assault effectively and scouts have to play stealthily as intended

So this is another clutch at straws situation to nerf scouts thats only gonna make fitting suits a complete pain in the ass unless they finally add your profile in your fittings next to your hp

You shouldn't be 100% invisible all the time. Right now there are too many advantages to being a scout for not enough meaningful disadvantages.