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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5476	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:17:00 - [1] - Quote Am I the only non scout oriented player(Assault) who's fine with scouts? They don't seem to be any worse than anything else on the battlefield. The AV creed, "We don't do it because it's easy; we do it because it's hard!"
benandjerrys NECROM0NGERS 39	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:23:00 - [2] - Quote Well the delay to shoot that they are talking about is a conservative nerf nothing too crazy.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3839	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:23:00 - [3] - Quote My heavy friend thinks scouts are fine. That makes a grand total of 2 of you.
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 712	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:27:00 - [4] - Quote Their fine, and dont need a nerf, the way to nerf them is to buff assault ewar so scouts need to dampen to hide from assaults, anything else will harm scouts and not give assault suits the buff they need. DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5476	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:37:00 - [5] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Their fine, and dont need a nerf, the way to nerf them is to buff assault ewar so scouts need to dampen to hide from assaults, anything else will harm scouts and not give assault suits the buff they need. EWAR should remain in the hands of scouts and logis. That would make Assaults a bit too good at everything. Packing a scanner should be enough. The AV creed, "We don't do it because it's easy; we do it because it's hard!"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13613	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:39:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah seriously **** scouts. Gimme my damn tanks. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3685	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:41:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Yeah seriously **** scouts. Gimme my damn tanks. give him his damn tanks. I don't have anything particularly interesting to shoot at otherwise.
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 287	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:41:00 - [8] - Quote I don't know Knight Soiaire I BELIEVE!
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1175	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:44:00 - [9] - Quote How does everyone feel about the permascan? If people were constantly notified like the active scanner there would be an uproar I am sure. I mean people hated it when it was active scanners, now scouts can cover 3-4 times the area, constantly, without notification, while firing/cloaked/whatever. Fixing EWAR
Kalante Schiffer YOU GOT OWNED BY A CHRONIC FAPPER 780	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:46:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Their fine, and dont need a nerf, the way to nerf them is to buff assault ewar so scouts need to dampen to hide from assaults, anything else will harm scouts and not give assault suits the buff they need. EWAR should remain in the hands of scouts and logis. That would make Assaults a bit too good at everything. Packing a scanner should be enough. An assault should never have the need to place a scanner thats the logi's job.

7 Djin The Hundred Acre Hood 19	Posted - 2014.10.16 22:53:00 - [11] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So I here scouts are getting nerfed in 1.9. So are scouts really that bad? Am I the only non scout oriented player(Assault) who's fine with scouts? They don't seem to be any worse than anything else on the battlefield. YES YES YES YES YES, I could go on. Scout nerf is necessary if this game is to live. 1.9 is not even the perfect time to do it. Tomorrow would be more poignant.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4835	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:06:00 - [12] - Quote NERF: Weapon use after decloak - 2 steps back BUFF: Goodbye Sprint Glitch! + 10 steps forward Net result: BUFF You can always tell a Millford Minja
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1148	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:11:00 - [13] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So I here scouts are getting nerfed in 1.9. So are scouts really that bad? Am I the only non scout oriented player(Assault) who's fine with scouts? They don't seem to be any worse than anything else on the battlefield. yes even with the dely on decloak to shoot they are too too powerful in meny area which combined together makes them OP [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 68	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:11:00 - [14] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So I here scouts are getting nerfed in 1.9. So are scouts really that bad? Am I the only non scout oriented player(Assault) who's fine with scouts? They don't seem to be any worse than anything else on the battlefield. High amount of suit slots at an early time Mid high amount of PG/CPU Logi mimicking with their PG/CPU and equipment slots Can increase their lethality multifold by using cloak or their low profiles alongside a certain variety of equipment Best regen compared to all other suits Absolutely no functions that bind them to a team, or make them take on the actual role of a scout. *Later on major tanking ability. Players are either too complacent because they get enough kills to not care about scouts or there's a case of delusional alongside ebola going around
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1287	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:12:00 - [15] - Quote no but we're dealing with a nerf happy dev so nothing is immune to nerf.. if i run a proto min logi with the right squad no scout even approaches us.. the solo slayer tryhard voice is loud tho, and if he deems something OP then rattati is his goto guy for a shoulder to cry on. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1287	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:16:00 - [16] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Their fine, and dont need a nerf, the way to nerf them is to buff assault ewar so scouts need to dampen to hide from assaults, anything else will harm scouts and not give assault suits the buff they need. yea been saying the same thing for a while.. assault needs to be the one with the precision/range enhancements, bam- there's the role for assault- the guy who detects the scout.. this is basic MMORPG 101 stuff.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 713	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:16:00 - [17] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Their fine, and dont need a nerf, the way to nerf them is to buff assault ewar so scouts need to dampen to hide from assaults, anything else will harm scouts and not give assault suits the buff they need. EWAR should remain in the hands of scouts and logis. That would make Assaults a bit too good at everything. Packing a scanner should headshots . Buff the assault ewar to the scouts old stats, the logi is the support class that needs to be supported. The assault is the frontline, the logi is the middle, its the cheese in the sandwich, and the reason assault suits are getting creamed and scouts are running wild is because a logi is not going to keep scouts in check because by the time they've seen them the scouts have eaten the assault s and half the heavies and the logi is all thats left and thats why the games broke, scouts are fine, buff the assault so that with a precision mod or two most scouts are forced to run a damp and maybe precision mods to now see dampened scouts. If you dont do this and nerf scouts then buff assault suits your gonna create a way bigger problem. Buff the assault ewar first then let it run for a month and you ll find the true direction a fix should move in. DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17310	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:17:00 - [18] - Quote Just the cloaks. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4065	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:19:00 - [19] - Quote Na, just drop passive scans and or change bonus to only apply to modules. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Hakyou Brutor Second-Nature 1392	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:24:00 - [20] - Quote noe bro scount op if has a clack then scount shoukdnt shot none!1!!one!

TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1288	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:25:00 - [21] - Quote introduce a new mod that's a "receiver"- allows that player to recieve a transmitted scan from his scout squaddie.. higher levels allow him to receive scan from a scout who's farther away.. or.. require the scout to equip a transmitter mod if he wants his squad to recieve the intel, or both. the ability to share passive scan should not be totally removed just a choice is made and someone or there buddy has to give up a slot for the shared ewar.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Atiim 12996	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:38:00 - [22] - Quote I think the HP Scouts can reach is too high, as a Scout I'm supposed to be dead when I'm spotted, but when I've played as a Scout I've noticed on several occasions that my extra HP allowed me to survive many instances where I should've died. Then, there's the whole perma-scan thing that's unavoidable for anyone who isn't also a Scout... The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Hakyou Brutor Second-Nature 1393	Posted - 2014.10.16 23:39:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: I think the HP Scouts can reach is too high, as a Scout I'm supposed to be dead when I'm spotted, but when I've played as a Scout I've noticed on several occasions that my extra HP allowed me to survive many instances where I should've died. Then, there's the whole perma-scan thing that's unavoidable for anyone who isn't also a Scout... yea nerf scounts thx 4 bakup attimm
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1096	Posted - 2014.10.17 00:07:00 - [24] - Quote No people just need to git gud. C'mon why is it everything that i use gets nerfed. Scr,ads and now possibly scouts Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :) Pls fix SCR CCP
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 373	Posted - 2014.10.17 00:16:00 - [25] - Quote Everyone has said buff and nerf scouts in all sorts of ways. Ive been happy with scout for a long time; before the cloak was even introduced...The only thing I have issue with is now my suit has 3 low slots instead of two which messes with my ocd...Cant keep builds under 15 k now!- @_@ I have access to proto and yet i try and build for cheap suits...go figure... Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler pistols are still lethal.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5482	Posted - 2014.10.17 02:43:00 - [26] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Their fine, and dont need a nerf, the way to nerf them is to buff assault ewar so scouts need to dampen to hide from assaults, anything else will harm scouts and not give assault suits the buff they need. EWAR should remain in the hands of scouts and logis. That would make Assaults a bit too good at everything. Packing a scanner should headshots . Buff the assault ewar to the scouts old stats, the logi is the support class that needs to be supported. The assault is the frontline, the logi is the middle, its the cheese in the sandwich, and the reason assault suits are getting creamed and scouts are running wild is because a logi is not going to keep scouts in check because by the time they've seen them the scouts have eaten the assault s and half the heavies and the logi is all thats left and thats why the games broke, scouts are fine, buff the assault so that with a precision mod or two most scouts are forced to run a damp and maybe precision mods to now see dampened scouts. If you dont do this and nerf scouts then buff assault suits your gonna create a way bigger problem. Buff the assault ewar first then let it run for a month and you ll find the true direction a fix should move in. I have to disagree. As long as you have your sensitivity at an appropriate place and your aiming is decent an Assault will have an advantage against Scouts in open ground duel. And I think that's enough. The AV creed, "We don't do it because it's easy; we do it because it's hard!"
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5482	Posted - 2014.10.17 02:49:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: I think the HP Scouts can reach is too high, as a Scout I'm supposed to be dead when I'm spotted, but when I've played as a Scout I've noticed on several occasions that my extra HP allowed me to survive many instances where I should've died. Then, there's the whole perma-scan thing that's unavoidable for anyone who isn't also a Scout... Not all the scouts are meant to be lousy with health. The Amarr scout is obviously supposed to allow for a highly tanked approach hence it's relatively high amount of lows and starting HP. Also it's bonus to stamina rather than EWAR. The Gallente is the high stealth one with a good option to hunt hunt. The Caldari is meant for assassination with the option to stealth. Minmatar is meant for a glass cannon approach. Granted they're made for stealth but it's only one thing they're made for. They can be played more than one way just like every other class and it should stay like that. The AV creed, "We don't do it because it's easy; we do it because it's hard!"
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 252	Posted - 2014.10.17 03:58:00 - [28] - Quote I don't think scouts fitting options are unfair. I don't think they need an ewar nerf. I don't think other classes need an ewar buff. I can even live without a change to the cloak mechanism. Cloaks are dropping way faster than intended and allowing for guns but it's not too bad to be honest. The only problem that needs addressing on scouts is how they take damage. A scout should not stand in one place side stepping back and forth through an umoving laserbeam and take 0 damage. It shows poor hit detection/netcode
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 335	Posted - 2014.10.17 04:04:00 - [29] - Quote The only real nerf scouts need is there ability to stealth and stack armour if you plate up you should lose E-war stats Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1726	Posted - 2014.10.17 04:08:00 - [30] - Quote I think that they should somehow move the slayers -- up front, in your face -- from the scout suits and into assault suits. The sneaky pre-1.8 scout playstyle needs to remain viable though. There are simply too many slayers in scout suits at the expense of assault (and logi and commando) suits, IMO, and this ratio is even more extreme in PC (the majority of players are heavies & scouts with a logi or two thrown in in tight places.)

Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4066	Posted - 2014.10.17 13:42:00 - [31] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Atiim wrote: I think the HP Scouts can reach is too high, as a Scout I'm supposed to be dead when I'm spotted, but when I've played as a Scout I've noticed on several occasions that my extra HP allowed me to survive many instances where I should've died. Then, there's the whole perma-scan thing that's unavoidable for anyone who isn't also a Scout... Not all the scouts are meant to be lousy with health. The Amarr scout is obviously supposed to allow for a highly tanked approach hence it's relatively high amount of lows and starting HP. Also it's bonus to stamina rather than EWAR. The Gallente is the high stealth one with a good option to hunt. The Caldari is meant for assassination with the option to stealth. Minmatar is meant for a glass cannon approach. Granted they're made for stealth but it's only one thing they're made for. They can be played more than one way just like every other class and it should stay like that. I would have agreed before they gave the Amarr scout a great eWar bonus, but now it's a level playing field. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sergeant Sazu Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 148	Posted - 2014.10.17 14:51:00 - [32] - Quote I know the majority of the community is against what they call "arbitrary fitting limitations", but here's an idea: -Remove the Scout's ability to add HP via modules (Shield Extenders, any kind of Armor Plating) -Raise base eHP to be around 300 with max skills. (With Amarr and Minmatar adjusted accordingly to their usual deviation from the median) This way, all Scouts are semi-flimsy and will be forced to play carefully. Thus making them actual scouts. Just an idea, I'm open to amendments or total rejections. "Whoops! Sorry bro, my finger slipped on the trigger... 11 times." [31.6m SP - Next skill: Repair Tool Operation 5]
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 122	Posted - 2014.10.17 15:22:00 - [33] - Quote I am glad they are doing something I would much rather see them made side arm only or maybe unable to sprint while cloaked, but hopefully what they have planned will make a difference. I play sidearm scout with no cloak it is still my most proficient fit the suit stats easily beat out my pro assault and I break out the heavy for cqc point D. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4582	Posted - 2014.10.17 16:51:00 - [34] - Quote Active, directional, short direction scans should be shared on the Tac-Net. Passive, continuous, omnidirectional scans should not be shared on the Tac-Net. When running as an HMG Sentinel and I see on my radar the Shotgun Scout sneaking up behind me in time to turn around and spray him in the face, I know that something is not right! Of course taking passive scans off the Tac-Net is more of a buff to Scouts than a Nerf. I like the trade-off of Cloaking reducing Scan radius. It makes sense, and should not be game breaking for Scouts. I donGÇÖt really care so much about the proposed fire delay after decloaking, but I think the intent of the Cloak was to let you get to strategic positions, rather than to provide cover during an attack, so I am fine with that delay. I do not like Scouts that have a small hit box, are fast, and have extremely high HP. I think if they stack enough Armor Plate to have Assault level Health, they should be reduced to Assault speeds and jump heights as well. They would still have the small hit box. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4582	Posted - 2014.10.17 16:54:00 - [35] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: I would much rather see them made side arm only Who exactly did you think the Shotgun was designed for? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Commander Shepard III Second-Nature 50	Posted - 2014.10.17 17:01:00 - [36] - Quote The only changes that have to happen to scouts is to fix the bit detection (especially when cloaked) and don't let scouts have a **** load of life while being fast Property of John ShepardIII CEO of Second-Nature
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 539	Posted - 2014.10.17 17:16:00 - [37] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So I here scouts are getting nerfed in 1.9. So are scouts really that bad? Am I the only non scout oriented player(Assault) who's fine with scouts? They don't seem to be any worse than anything else on the battlefield. yes even with the dely on decloak to shoot they are too too powerful in meny area which combined together makes them OP You say that they'll be still OP with the delay to shoot after decloak but they haven't even said how long the delay will be, so how can you know?
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1730	Posted - 2014.10.17 17:48:00 - [38] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So I here scouts are getting nerfed in 1.9. So are scouts really that bad? Am I the only non scout oriented player(Assault) who's fine with scouts? They don't seem to be any worse than anything else on the battlefield. yes even with the dely on decloak to shoot they are too too powerful in meny area which combined together makes them OP You say that they'll be still OP with the delay to shoot after decloak but they haven't even said how long the delay will be, so how can you know? I don't think the delay will really play much of a role in toning down the scout's dominance. Because every good scout I know approaches people from behind the vast majority of the time even if they are cloaked. So, I think adding some delay is the right thing to do (for other reasons related to how some exploit the cloak), but it will not be enough to balance scouts against other suits. Removing the direction a player is facing from passive scans would help, as would making scouts who evade all scans squishier and scouts that stack HP slower.
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1184	Posted - 2014.10.17 17:50:00 - [39] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So I here scouts are getting nerfed in 1.9. So are scouts really that bad? Am I the only non scout oriented player(Assault) who's fine with scouts? They don't seem to be any worse than anything else on the battlefield. yes even with the dely on decloak to shoot they are too too powerful in meny area which combined together makes them OP You say that they'll be still OP with the delay to shoot after decloak but they haven't even said how long the delay will be, so how can you know? yI made a topic about it, CCP rattati claimed a 0.33sec delay... so yeah. Fixing EWAR
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3906	Posted - 2014.10.17 18:04:00 - [40] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So I hear scouts are getting nerfed in 1.9. So are scouts really that bad? Am I the only non scout oriented player(Assault) who's fine with scouts? They don't seem to be any worse than anything else on the battlefield. Scouts are outperforming other dropsuits. I am confident in that fact. Superior passive scans, movement speeds, L/S/G slots, two equipment slots, and cloaking. They trade some of their initial eHP for all of that; if they fit a dual tank then that negative is cancelled out. Yes, they are bad. They do too much really well, and not enough poorly. My advice to you, playa...

Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 867	Posted - 2014.10.17 18:12:00 - [41] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Na, just drop passive scans and or change bonus to only apply to modules. Hnnnngggggggg unscanable burst hmgs. Hnnnnnngggggghhhhh wallhack assaults Hhhhnnnnnmnmgggggghhh actually viable falcon punch calmandozs. Huurrrff! Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 867	Posted - 2014.10.17 18:19:00 - [42] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Na, just drop passive scans and or change bonus to only apply to modules. Hnnnngggggggg unscanable burst hmgs. Hnnnnnngggggghhhhh wallhack assaults Hhhhnnnnnmnmgggggghhh actually viable falcon punch calmandozs. Huurrrff! Unless you legitimately mean build the scout suit bonusii to increase the efficacy if EWAR modules placed into it. Gotta be more specific in the details bud. I think I blew an o ring on that one Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 123	Posted - 2014.10.17 19:11:00 - [43] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: I would much rather see them made side arm only Who exactly did you think the Shotgun was designed for? Assaults/commandos that want to hold a door or breach and clear a room. I used one on my min commando when I first started playing CR/shotgun pretty op. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.


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