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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5440	Posted - 2014.10.13 02:49:00 - [1] - Quote I tried to enter around eight matches today and could only finish two(frozen in place) as the rest either kicked me or were so miserably terrible connection wise I gave up. Well I suppose that's the end of my Dust experience. It's just not worth it! Good bye everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 94	Posted - 2014.10.13 02:55:00 - [2] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I tried to enter around eight matches today and could only finish two(frozen in place) as the rest either kicked me or were so miserably terrible connection wise I gave up. Well I suppose that's the end of my Dust experience. Good bye everyone, I'll remember you in therapy, Farewell
TerranKnight87 Dead Man's Game RUST415 2	Posted - 2014.10.13 03:10:00 - [3] - Quote Come on man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BjHSOzVU5j0 This is TechMechMeds tanker.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1258	Posted - 2014.10.13 04:15:00 - [4] - Quote I tried to play earlier and was placed into the end of matches for about the first 15 mins . I mean , right at the end ... where you hear the commentator talking with the ship on the screen trying to load with the circle in the corner . I just hate that $h!t when it happens but it kept happening and after that it was cool but I played like three or four games and just quit . That 15 mins , killed it for me sad to say . There have been loading problems for a while now and I can't understand where that's coming from . I know that Sony was doing some back end checks yesterday so I don't know if they noticed something and had to check internally or what . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1258	Posted - 2014.10.13 04:16:00 - [5] - Quote I know your not leaving , your just looking for something interesting ... you not alone bub . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1028	Posted - 2014.10.13 04:25:00 - [6] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I tried to enter around eight matches today and could only finish two(frozen in place) as the rest either kicked me or were so miserably terrible connection wise I gave up. I literally have 4.2m SP and 0 motivation to spec it after this terrible experience. Well I suppose that's the end of my Dust experience. It's just not worth it! Good bye everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy. donate to your local masochistic logistics (aka me) as you will not need your isk if your leaving ;p [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5442	Posted - 2014.10.13 04:25:00 - [7] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I know your not leaving , your just looking for something interesting ... you not alone bub . I'm not leaving the forums but I'm not going to play Dust for the next two weeks. It's simply ridiculous that after two years this game has even worse lag than it did in open beta. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 245	Posted - 2014.10.13 04:27:00 - [8] - Quote In each match I lost either a Tank or LAV to the floor disappearing on me, lol. Ask me how much I care and win a cookie!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5442	Posted - 2014.10.13 04:27:00 - [9] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I tried to enter around eight matches today and could only finish two(frozen in place) as the rest either kicked me or were so miserably terrible connection wise I gave up. I literally have 4.2m SP and 0 motivation to spec it after this terrible experience. Well I suppose that's the end of my Dust experience. It's just not worth it! Good bye everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy. donate to your local masochistic logistics (aka me) as you will not need your isk if your leaving ;p You get nothing. You lose! Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1259	Posted - 2014.10.13 04:56:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I know your not leaving , your just looking for something interesting ... you not alone bub . I'm not leaving the forums but I'm not going to play Dust for the next two weeks. It's simply ridiculous that after two years this game has even worse lag than it did in open beta. Won't get any arguments from me bub , that and the screwed up terrain issues , getting placed into games at the end of the match and the fact that this game needs an injection of excitement . I won't say stay and play because I can agree with you wholeheartedly . Hell I play less and less myself now , so who am I to try to convince you ? They won't even allow a SP refund so I'm feeling you . I'm even thinking about playing sports games again so , it's not looking good to me either . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1259	Posted - 2014.10.13 04:59:00 - [11] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: In each match I lost either a Tank or LAV to the floor disappearing on me, lol. That has been going on for too long now . I had that happen to me again last week . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
General John Ripper 25055	Posted - 2014.10.13 05:13:00 - [12] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I tried to enter around eight matches today and could only finish two(frozen in place) as the rest either kicked me or were so miserably terrible connection wise I gave up. I literally have 4.2m SP and 0 motivation to spec it after this terrible experience. Well I suppose that's the end of my Dust experience. It's just not worth it! Good bye everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy. Its never taken me so long to get 50 likes to break 25k Conclusion:Dust community prefers puppies > cats Sorry catmerc
Immortal John Ripper 25057	Posted - 2014.10.13 05:13:00 - [13] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I tried to enter around eight matches today and could only finish two(frozen in place) as the rest either kicked me or were so miserably terrible connection wise I gave up. I literally have 4.2m SP and 0 motivation to spec it after this terrible experience. Well I suppose that's the end of my Dust experience. It's just not worth it! Good bye everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy. Its never taken me so long to get 50 likes to break 25k Conclusion:Dust community prefers puppies > cats Sorry catmerc
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. 2906	Posted - 2014.10.13 07:16:00 - [14] - Quote Hehe, I guess my experience would be similar, if I would connect up my PS3 and install dust on it. There are better games to play right now, I'm just sticking around the forums for Legion info. PC master race > You. "The DUST 514 Dev Team is not reduced or affected by the restructuring at CCP."
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1640	Posted - 2014.10.13 07:20:00 - [15] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I tried to enter around eight matches today and could only finish two(frozen in place) as the rest either kicked me or were so miserably terrible connection wise I gave up. I literally have 4.2m SP and 0 motivation to spec it after this terrible experience. Well I suppose that's the end of my Dust experience. It's just not worth it! Good bye everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=alX4leh13s8 Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1640	Posted - 2014.10.13 07:21:00 - [16] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: In each match I lost either a Tank or LAV to the floor disappearing on me, lol. That has been going on for too long now . I had that happen to me again last week . http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tVZjuUw3Z6k smirks Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link
abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 47	Posted - 2014.10.13 09:54:00 - [17] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Hehe, I guess my experience would be similar, if I would connect up my PS3 and install dust on it. There are better games to play right now, I'm just sticking around the forums for Legion info. PC master race > You. Always 1337 left as soon as i got my pc fixed, cant believe how crappy aiming is in dust

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 8585	Posted - 2014.10.13 10:55:00 - [18] - Quote Were you playing during this DDOS attack? http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1132	Posted - 2014.10.13 11:02:00 - [19] - Quote Here's what I would do.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 806	Posted - 2014.10.13 11:05:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Were you playing during the DDOS attack over the weekend? plz be the reason I lost nearly 20 tanks in 20 matches to disappearing floors. Let's not count LAV's - my poor wallet is starting to suffer.

Nirwanda Vaughns 808	Posted - 2014.10.13 11:18:00 - [21] - Quote it does amuse me that the game was more enjoyable to pay in closed beta than it is now. the maps, gamemodes ect were so much more fun and its amazing how much we seem to have gone backwards since. i miss the old manus peak with sniper central on top. all it needed was a few tweaks to terrain to allow each side to get up there and it'd make an epic domi map with th eobjective on top. true king of the hill style. skirmish 1.0 was amazing, yeah was a bit broken but again a few small tweaks would have fixed it. and of course we had something as simple as smart restock. something many of us wish was carried over Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
MEDICO RITARDATO Dead Man's Game RUST415 297	Posted - 2014.10.13 13:11:00 - [22] - Quote Can i have your isk plz? u.u CCP why do you hate shield?
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5450	Posted - 2014.10.13 14:53:00 - [23] - Quote MEDICO RITARDATO wrote: Can i have your isk plz? u.u You wish you could have my millions citizen. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Immortal John Ripper 25062	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:01:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: MEDICO RITARDATO wrote: Can i have your isk plz? u.u You wish you could have my Billions citizen. Fixed Its never taken me so long to get 50 likes to break 25k Conclusion:Dust community prefers puppies > cats Sorry catmerc
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5450	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:09:00 - [25] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: MEDICO RITARDATO wrote: Can i have your isk plz? u.u You wish you could have my Billions citizen. Fixed I know now Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:11:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Were you playing during the DDOS attack over the weekend? No surprise, with the changes that happend to eve im sure some people might got a grudge and seek for revenge. Basically a nasty "farewell" gift. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2159	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:28:00 - [27] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: it does amuse me that the game was more enjoyable to play in closed beta than it is now. the maps, gamemodes ect were so much more fun and its amazing how much we seem to have gone backwards since. i miss the old manus peak with sniper central on top. all it needed was a few tweaks to terrain to allow each side to get up there and it'd make an epic domi map with th eobjective on top. true king of the hill style. skirmish 1.0 was amazing, yeah was a bit broken but again a few small tweaks would have fixed it. and of course we had something as simple as smart restock. something many of us wish was carried over No, that wouldn't be fair to the losing team. Because whoever gets more people up top will win every single time. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Dreis Shadowweaver THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 276	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:47:00 - [28] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I tried to enter around eight matches today and could only finish two(frozen in place) as the rest either kicked me or were so miserably terrible connection wise I gave up. I literally have 4.2m SP and 0 motivation to spec it after this terrible experience. Well I suppose that's the end of my Dust experience. It's just not worth it! Good bye everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy. ...can i haz ur isk? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 44	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:54:00 - [29] - Quote I talk every day with old players and the game is a lot better than at the start. When there is a problem or a bug, every one cries about it but when it disappears you just forget the problem, and you cry for something else. Then CCP fix it and you switch to the next one. CCP does a great job during these 2 years, PS3 is the problem. For the moment, the first problem is the lag, the cache memory fills up too fast and after 2 or 3 fights you have 1 frame/s. If it's the laboratory and your ps3 is running since more than 3 hours, with more than 3 chanels open and the effects and quality max, it's like a slideshow and your ps3 hard freeze with system failure at each game. For a good game the first and more important thing is the gameplay. Not the graphisms, not the visual and sound effects. We just want to see the game normally and fight normally. Not a slideshow, no anticipating the hitbox by shooting in front of the ennemy, not be killing by a guy 3 seconds after I killed him first. So I engage CCP and you Rattati to look firstly for ways to reduce the ressources needs by the game in regard of the old performances of the ps3. Maybe ways to reduce the weight of the informations for the real time exchange in the network. And if someone, reply with "it's just the server, no ways to improve", I will answer to look skyrim. It was not an online game, but after few hours of gaming, the framerate was falling down exactly like Dust. And it arrived more with an old character and lot of items. So bethesda reduced the consumption of the game and it works, not like in computer (far from computer), but the fun came back. For the moment, you maybe do a compromise between visual and gameplay, but it's a mistake. I think everyone would be ok to reduce some little things to win some framerate. And a lot of players turn off the game voice, and reduce a lot the audio effects, because they are to many. Sounds of respawn, dropuplinks, nanohives, fights, grenades, orbital strikes, v+¬hicules etc, that makes us crazy Be carefull, hearing someone putting remote explo is part of the gameplay, like the sound of v+¬hicules or the decloak, but nanohives noise is just for the effect, like a lot of the visual ones. I know it's not in the good place, but please answer me, just to know if you can make something for that. Thanks Rattatouille
Dreis Shadowweaver THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 276	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:59:00 - [30] - Quote *Hubert I play on my PS3 for up to eight hours straight, and I have about 7 channels, yet I hardly ever experience lag. I think that it might be a personal problem, not the PS3's power in general, that is limiting your Dust experience...? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3

Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 44	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:22:00 - [31] - Quote Yes it limits a lot. When half of the squad decide to go to another game after laggy games, or when the game force us to reboot every hour to empty the cache memory, it limits. Do you seriously don't know people with this kind of problems in your corporation? maybe you are in the little part of people without problems, but all my corporation have the sames lags and freeze. Maybe my pS3 is too old, and I have too many fits, I don't know, or you are in the little percentage to have fiber connection. It's just sad seeing people leaving Dust because of the lag or the hitbox problems.
Nirwanda Vaughns 809	Posted - 2014.10.13 18:37:00 - [32] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: it does amuse me that the game was more enjoyable to play in closed beta than it is now. the maps, gamemodes ect were so much more fun and its amazing how much we seem to have gone backwards since. i miss the old manus peak with sniper central on top. all it needed was a few tweaks to terrain to allow each side to get up there and it'd make an epic domi map with th eobjective on top. true king of the hill style. skirmish 1.0 was amazing, yeah was a bit broken but again a few small tweaks would have fixed it. and of course we had something as simple as smart restock. something many of us wish was carried over No, that wouldn't be fair to the losing team. Because whoever gets more people up top will win every single time. nah if it was done right it'd be a fun map, multiple roads up to prevent prox mine spamming perhaps even a couple of sneaky tunnels. the complex on top could even go down into the mountain itself with corridors for access to keep the controlling team busy. there are plenty of maps already where once a team gets a point it's easier to defend and keep reds out (research lab with supply depot room for one) with the right amount of access to the point it'd be a fun map Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 152	Posted - 2014.10.13 18:56:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Were you playing during the DDOS attack over the weekend? i think this is the case but they couldnt hear you because of the loud music at this pity party also play as strangeland stranger, larlac theest, gauntlett5487, and balacs sixkin
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3786	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:09:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Were you playing during the DDOS attack over the weekend? Another one? No wonder it's been laggy. I thought it was just me.
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:43:00 - [35] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I know your not leaving , your just looking for something interesting ... you not alone bub . I'm not leaving the forums but I'm not going to play Dust for the next two weeks. It's simply ridiculous that after two years this game has even worse lag than it did in open beta. Latinos and Asians brought the lag.
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:46:00 - [36] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Yes it limits a lot. When half of the squad decide to go to another game after laggy games, or when the game force us to reboot every hour to empty the cache memory, it limits. Do you seriously don't know people with this kind of problems in your corporation? maybe you are in the little part of people without problems, but all my corporation have the sames lags and freeze. Maybe my pS3 is too old, and I have too many fits, I don't know, or you are in the little percentage to have fiber connection. It's just sad seeing people leaving Dust because of the lag or the hitbox problems. Foreigners like you on US servers are part of it.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5454	Posted - 2014.10.13 21:00:00 - [37] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I know your not leaving , your just looking for something interesting ... you not alone bub . I'm not leaving the forums but I'm not going to play Dust for the next two weeks. It's simply ridiculous that after two years this game has even worse lag than it did in open beta. Latinos and Asians brought the lag. Yep, because people from the U.S, Canada, Australia and Europe never have bad connections It's more do with the fact that servers are located in North America and are far away from them compared to how close they are for North Americans and Western Europeans. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5454	Posted - 2014.10.13 21:02:00 - [38] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Yes it limits a lot. When half of the squad decide to go to another game after laggy games, or when the game force us to reboot every hour to empty the cache memory, it limits. Do you seriously don't know people with this kind of problems in your corporation? maybe you are in the little part of people without problems, but all my corporation have the sames lags and freeze. Maybe my pS3 is too old, and I have too many fits, I don't know, or you are in the little percentage to have fiber connection. It's just sad seeing people leaving Dust because of the lag or the hitbox problems. Foreigners like you on US servers are part of it. I'm pretty sure the French play on the European server. Why would he play on the North American Server? And yes, it's the North American server not the US server. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17211	Posted - 2014.10.13 21:10:00 - [39] - Quote Joel II X wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Were you playing during the DDOS attack over the weekend? Another one? No wonder it's been laggy. I thought it was just me. Yeah Lizard squad been playing it safe and going only after video games last bunch of idiots hit government websites too. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4835	Posted - 2014.10.13 21:13:00 - [40] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Yes it limits a lot. When half of the squad decide to go to another game after laggy games, or when the game force us to reboot every hour to empty the cache memory, it limits. Do you seriously don't know people with this kind of problems in your corporation? maybe you are in the little part of people without problems, but all my corporation have the sames lags and freeze. Maybe my pS3 is too old, and I have too many fits, I don't know, or you are in the little percentage to have fiber connection. It's just sad seeing people leaving Dust because of the lag or the hitbox problems. Foreigners like you on US servers are part of it. I'm pretty sure the French play on the European server. Why would he play on the North American Server? And yes, it's the North American server not the US server. Also I would add that French Canadians play on the North American Server. KRRROOOOOOM

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5456	Posted - 2014.10.13 21:27:00 - [41] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Yes it limits a lot. When half of the squad decide to go to another game after laggy games, or when the game force us to reboot every hour to empty the cache memory, it limits. Do you seriously don't know people with this kind of problems in your corporation? maybe you are in the little part of people without problems, but all my corporation have the sames lags and freeze. Maybe my pS3 is too old, and I have too many fits, I don't know, or you are in the little percentage to have fiber connection. It's just sad seeing people leaving Dust because of the lag or the hitbox problems. Foreigners like you on US servers are part of it. I'm pretty sure the French play on the European server. Why would he play on the North American Server? And yes, it's the North American server not the US server. Also I would add that French Canadians play on the North American Server. If you're talking about Quebecians they aren't French Canadians, they're Canadians who speak French. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Immortal John Ripper 25068	Posted - 2014.10.13 21:55:00 - [42] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Llast 326 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Yes it limits a lot. When half of the squad decide to go to another game after laggy games, or when the game force us to reboot every hour to empty the cache memory, it limits. Do you seriously don't know people with this kind of problems in your corporation? maybe you are in the little part of people without problems, but all my corporation have the sames lags and freeze. Maybe my pS3 is too old, and I have too many fits, I don't know, or you are in the little percentage to have fiber connection. It's just sad seeing people leaving Dust because of the lag or the hitbox problems. Foreigners like you on US servers are part of it. I'm pretty sure the French play on the European server. Why would he play on the North American Server? And yes, it's the North American server not the US server. Also I would add that French Canadians play on the North American Server. If you're talking about Quebecians they aren't French Canadians, they're Canadians who speak French. The term french canadians remind me of the term TexMex, but we don't stick to one language. We use a Mixture of both. Its never taken me so long to get 50 likes to break 25k Conclusion:Dust community prefers puppies > cats Sorry catmerc
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:12:00 - [43] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Llast 326 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Yes it limits a lot. When half of the squad decide to go to another game after laggy games, or when the game force us to reboot every hour to empty the cache memory, it limits. Do you seriously don't know people with this kind of problems in your corporation? maybe you are in the little part of people without problems, but all my corporation have the sames lags and freeze. Maybe my pS3 is too old, and I have too many fits, I don't know, or you are in the little percentage to have fiber connection. It's just sad seeing people leaving Dust because of the lag or the hitbox problems. Foreigners like you on US servers are part of it. I'm pretty sure the French play on the European server. Why would he play on the North American Server? And yes, it's the North American server not the US server. Also I would add that French Canadians play on the North American Server. If you're talking about Quebecians they aren't French Canadians, they're Canadians who speak French. I believe the proper term is "Qu+¬b+¬cois/Qu+¬b+¬coise", but "Franco-Canadian", "French-Canadian", or "Quebecer" are also acceptable.


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