Keep the ideas coming.

Just a thought, should/could FW be the place where budding PC corps should be training and grinding?

Make Location Matter!


Change Clone transport attrition rates to what they were originally.


Change Clone Packs so that they are deployed like clones from a district accept that:

1)You have to pay for them. (Could we make it so you pay by the Clone?)

2)They are deployed from the following high Sec Planets:

• Gelfiven VI
• Gelfiven VIII
• Orien IV
• Orien V
• Fegomenko VII
• Fegomenko VIII

Map for reference.


Commentary:

Allowing unlimited clone packs made any district on any planet equally susceptible to attack by any Corporation, which just turned them into a number on a score sheet. There was no sense of territory. No battle lines. No strategic positions. No line of logistics. No out of the way, hard to get to districts were a small Corp could hold off the larger Corps attacking.

This change would give all of those things. There would be new areas where new Corps could attack with Clones, and there would be areas that would be completely unaccusable by Clone pack, so you would need to acquire a district within range to use as a staging point to attack there. Big Corps would only be able to attack Districts in near-by systems, and would not be able to threaten every district on the map. Some systems would have a strategic value because they would be within range to attack districts in several neighbouring systems, while other systems would be hard to get to and much easier to defend. The extent of a CorpGÇÖs territory would also define the extent of their reach and influence.

Keep the ideas coming.

Just a thought, should/could FW be the place where budding PC corps should be training and grinding?

Keep the ideas coming.

Just a thought, should/could FW be the place where budding PC corps should be training and grinding?

Mod 4 response: Another one of our problems in PC was map variety. There is no map variety, except for the occasional bridge, or fifth point in the city. There is three types of districts, and three types of maps to coincide.

I understand your hesitation on this suggestion, but I believe it is the best way to keep map variety alive. If you're still completely against this idea, you could also try just implementing more maps for each type of district, they wouldn't change after a re-attack, but they'd be different.

That's... actually an interesting idea. And on the alts going into a corp, let me ask you a question. Who other than Sota Pop do you know with 20 alts laying about? Not many I'd wager.

I still like your idea, but I think mine would be better, as it would highly discourage it. But as any PC vet knows, you can't stop alt corps.

@Vulpes, when I mentioned Sotas idea about lowering isk cost for clone packs for newer corps, he didn't say newer corps, he said corps that don't hold land. Miscommunication on my end, sorry.

What about passive weapons/vehicles/equipment and so on instead of isk... these things couldn't be traded so alt corps would be useless, make them annoyingly random anything from militia to proto.

Lets say once per day (downtime perhaps) members in corps that own at least 1 district get random gear, the more districts your corp has the more people in the crop get stuff, so not everyone gets it every day unless you've got a butt load of districts.

The more districts your corp owns the more people get a chance at free stuff.

You could have some "special" districts that everyone will want (and hopefully fight like hell to get) that give out more or better stuff... You could even have each district specialize in something different.

Just a thought, probably a bad one.

That's a cool idea but you could see some getting pissed from being consistently passed over such random occurrences. Also, players could end up with good stuff they are not skilled into such as what happens with salvage now. Still, it is an idea with promise that could be tweaked into something good for PC.

So you want heavier clone depreciation? Currently the farther away a district is the more clones it loses I'm not sure how severe it is but I know you can lose a significant amount of clones so their is actual meaning. OH didn't just pick Almur out of a hat they picked because it is the most secluded system so that if you attacked and you didn't have a district in Fittikan you faced severe clone loss.

The state of PC just shows how much CCP Foxfour had on this. PC has never been the same without him. Though he is doing great I am sure, and has been working Eve side!

• The best positive changes to effect PC should be to implement how most RPG games have a PVP world vs world system. Make it to where everything resets itself after a week. WHY?!?!?!? This promotes all corporations to be apart of PC. As it stands its only a few corporations and Alliances that are in Planetary Conquest in the first place. Adding passive ISK will not help small corporations who were not fortunate to have players that have not been around since PC was first introduced to do anything meaningful.

• Make large corporations and alliances receive more taxing. As it stands when a small corporation goes on to making changes to their district, or go to purchase more clones it makes it extremely hard for these corporations to function. It should be the opposite. by taxing large corporations it should give them a better challenge on making decisions, and smaller corporations a chance to make mistakes, making the game more challenging for both side, as PC ought to be. Larger PC taxing should not only be limited to the corporation but also another tax on their alliance. The bigger the alliance, the bigger the corporations members, the bigger the tax.

• Give out limited edition gear in PC's to winners! We would have so much more people participating in PC if the reward system had some great content, rather than the normal loot everyone sees. This can be a ton of things. Corporation, and alliance only items that can be earned or even given during the successful completion of a PC battle. Rare things to the ones who loose and more exotic items for the victors.

• The option to sell unwanted loot through your corporation or alliance. Doesn't have to be an in game market but one no different than a tab added to our current marketplace to exchange our loot for isk.

• Release the strict constrains on when districts can be attacked. PC should be all about making competition fierce. Right now the way PC allowed time to attack is a very lock-down oriented. Owned districts that have not been attacked should be available to attacks at a moments notice. If a corporation is unable to fight then instead of awarding the corporation that showed up the district, it should give them the opportunity to purchase it. Recently acquired corporation districts should have a lock down of an hour.

• Corporations when purchasing their district should choose this as a starting point after each reseting. Keeps the game fun and allows if you lost your district(s), you can start again next week or whenever the time opens for the reset.

So basically you want to eliminate any sense of ownership from the holding of districts. You want to get rid of the whole idea of Owning Land, which is behind planetary conquest.

I am firmly opposed to just about every idea you presented!

Well, here comes another long winded post from Derrith. And what a twist, I'm not ranting about ADS!
Anyway, on to the subject matter, we all know PC is a flawed and rather crappy system. Let's see just how we can implement a decent fix for that.

Issue 1: Passive isk. Personally I believe we should bring that back, with some modifications.

Mod 1: I believe in order to avoid what I call "The Nyain Effect", we should add to each district owned by X corp to have a 25% penalty to any district with corresponding timers under X corp.

Example: Say FA has a district at 2100 and we make about (random number) 20mil isk a day off it. Having a second district under that timer would lower the isk production rate of both the first district and the corresponding district.

District 1 will make 15mil a day, as will district 2. Having a third district on this timer would render third district useless, and have no need of said district, FA will definitely sell it to some newb corp for money (we're nice people that way).

Issue 2: Alt corps/ and vanity corps. I've heard FAs fair Princess Zatata argue that if this change would be implemented, there would be an increased number of alt and vanity corps.

Let me start off by saying you can't stop vanity corps, or alt corps. This idea should get the ball rolling in highly discouraging it, however.

Mod 2: When AE and FA merged to become the Last of Dust (pretty horrid fail, almost as bad as MHPD), I had a panty dropper library inside FA that I put on a word document to transfer over to TLODs private GD thread. I had to wait two weeks, and the corp had to have about 10 members inside of corp for me to transfer my said panty dropper library.

Now my question to CCP is this, why is it that I have to wait two weeks and have ten or so corp members to make as simple and insignificant as a GD thread, yet I can create a corp instantly and launch clone packs all over the place? That just doesn't make sense to me.

Proposed fix: Make a corp have to exist for at least a week and have at least 20 members inside of corp. Again, you can't stop alt corps, but this will greatly discourage it, if I'm correct.

Issue 3: Spreading more combat in Molden Heath.
As it is right now, MH is a smoldering ruin of hippies, and beatnicks. How to get rid of them, you ask? The answer is probably simple.

Mod 3: Increasing rewards for flipping a district and successfully defending a district.

As it is currently, we get isk based off of a 150 clone count, no matter the winning side, or how many of those clones we kill on enemy team, along with gear destroyed in battle. But there's no real reward for defending a district from 400 clones, you get the same reward if you defended it from 150, along with destroyed clones.

Make defenses to where if a district is successfully defended, the biomass of attacking clones turns to isk, and goes right into the defenders wallets, making for a nice paycheck on their end.

And on the attackers side. Giving a reason to flip the district is the key. As it is right now, people will go into some new corps turf, beat the crap out of him, but not so much to where he can't come back and have it happen all over again.
Solution to this being that if you flip the district, an extra isk reward will be given to mercs in said battle.

Another idea that pops up is to make the Surface research lab the district type that if you successfully defend or flip, an extra reward on top of the defense or flip reward would make those areas bloodbaths.

Issue 4: A lot of PC have been shouting about this for a while now. I'm sure I'm not the only guy who thinks "Gee, I'm getting kind of sick of having to fight on the cargo hub map over and over and over again.

Mod 4: Introduce new maps every time a re-attack takes place. The initial defense will be the same old map, but the re-attack will have a different map waiting for you, and thus a different plan.

BTW, on a side note, nearly every PC vet I've talked to despises the Gallente research facility, that map has produced better slideshows than Microsoft Powerpoint. Just kill that map.

Issue 5: Getting new corps in PC. A lot of new corps complain that it's hard getting in PC. And for the most part, you're right. Clone packs are too expensive, and pub isk gained is laughable.

Mod 5A: This idea does not come from me. I take no credit, Sota Pop came up with this idea. For new corps trying to get into PC, it would be prudent and helpful to give them discounts on the clone packs so they don't have to grind for so long for it.

Mod 5B: increase pub isk by 50%. Typically we get about 200k per match in a pub, which for new corps, grinding that out is rather frustrating. Increasing the pub isk would give pubbies a good reason to keep playing so they don't have to go dirt poor nearly every match, and would help the isk grind for the new boys and girls.

Again, sorry for the long windedness.

You don't realise the real reason Passive ISK was taken away is because Tso's were farming with no effort at all and making huge money of it. That's why I propose there be some sort of setback to having 12 corps in 1 alliance. I know this might sound a bit punishing but how is sitting on districts and doing nothing fun? It's not, so can we get back to the ol days of WAR! When there was actually like 3 different superpowers or more and not just one. Ways to implement this could be like having an alliance wallet or splitting the divedens of Passive ISK generation equally to each corp.

I believe this would promote better and stronger co-operation and friendships through alliance and not just 'hey let's form together to get unlimited ISK'.

Keep the ideas coming.

Just a thought, should/could FW be the place where budding PC corps should be training and grinding?

You don't realise the real reason Passive ISK was taken away is because Tso's were farming with no effort at all and making huge money of it. That's why I propose there be some sort of setback to having 12 corps in 1 alliance. I know this might sound a bit punishing but how is sitting on districts and doing nothing fun? It's not, so can we get back to the ol days of WAR! When there was actually like 3 different superpowers or more and not just one. Ways to implement this could be like having an alliance wallet or splitting the divedens of Passive ISK generation equally to each corp.

I believe this would promote better and stronger co-operation and friendships through alliance and not just 'hey let's form together to get unlimited ISK'.

I'm going to go ahead and call some grade A BS on that. Tso's was never in power during the time of passive Isk. Eon was, Cronos was, O.H. had their time I believe, and DNS was the most famous (and yes, I was DNS). But not Tso's. And it isn't that I judge those powers for doing that, they were in power. Add to the fact that the community, as a whole, were too lazy to do anything about it (or poor, I prefer going with both). And I don't blame them on that either, I was a part of three Nyain san blitzes, all failed miserably, and I can safely assure you I will never be a part of anything like that again because we couldn't get help.

But you have to stop laying some of the blame on CCP and major superpowers for PC and take up some of the responsibility yourselves. Many people complained about major alliances farming, but did nothing about it. The only time they did anything was during the FEC war, funded mainly by AE (?) and former Cronos superpower, Seraphim Initiative. The way I saw, they got all brave because it wasn't coming out of their wallet.

But on the making a penalty for having too many corps in an alliance, well... I guess it could work.

I'm going to go ahead and call some grade A BS on that. Tso's was never in power during the time of passive Isk. Eon was, Cronos was, O.H. had their time I believe, and DNS was the most famous (and yes, I was DNS). But not Tso's. And it isn't that I judge those powers for doing that, they were in power. Add to the fact that the community, as a whole, were too lazy to do anything about it (or poor, I prefer going with both). And I don't blame them on that either, I was a part of three Nyain san blitzes, all failed miserably, and I can safely assure you I will never be a part of anything like that again because we couldn't get help.

But you have to stop laying some of the blame on CCP and major superpowers for PC and take up some of the responsibility yourselves. Many people complained about major alliances farming, but did nothing about it. The only time they did anything was during the FEC war, funded mainly by AE (?) and former Cronos superpower, Seraphim Initiative. The way I saw, they got all brave because it wasn't coming out of their wallet.

But on the making a penalty for having too many corps in an alliance, well... I guess it could work.

Don't mind him, he's been too busy hiding on 09:00 timers to know what really goes on in PC.

Yes but if it was to return then who would benefit the most? Tso's? Or new corps?

Grow up child.

Keep the ideas coming.

Just a thought, should/could FW be the place where budding PC corps should be training and grinding?

Grow up child.

Keep the ideas coming.

Just a thought, should/could FW be the place where budding PC corps should be training and grinding?

Please refrain from calling TSOs farmers