wouldn't this increase the TTK? I'm kind of on the fence about that, but I wasn't around when TTK was really long and then really short.

I would be interested to hear from the community on what they think is a good TTK for Dust 514.

Wouldn't it be simpler for scouts to have a heavy moment penalty & raise the suits db level making tanked scouts easyer to scan because the higher your movement speed the faster your aim, if your bring them down from scout speed class there basically an assault suit & that way if scouts want more armor they have to use the smaller class plates to maintain scoutyness or some thing.

This this this! So much this.

This would make amarr scouts stupid good. You can run 3 damps and a complex rep, and still have over 400 ehp without using a single plate. So essentially you could still be beefy and avoid said penalty, making it the Scout suit of choice.

How much armor/shield does the Amarr scout have(with cores leveled up)?

To "this day aria"? Around 150 base armor or look in protofits.

I usually go 2-60 or 1-55 most matches.

My dual tanked Gal scout tanks 989 eHP and I run fuggin' wild.

OP Xavier, I think I melted your face yesterday wielding dual Bolt pistols shooting you while I was still cloaked.

I usually go 60-2 or 55-1 most matches.

I work from home and play DUST 514 with one hand while working on my laptop so tanked Gal scout was the natural choice.

I will continue to maim and destroy until CCP reels me in. Run for the hills scrubs, tanked Eruditus is gunning for you (while cloaked).

Hello, xavier here. I have ran my scout suit for a long time, and half the time i have been tanking it...experimenting with it. Yes, the gallante scout is basically an assault suit with ridiculous eWar, and the caldari scout has some hitbox issues. BUT this doesn't exclude the problem of tanked scouts to just these races. Here is the problem:

Caldari assault- 210 shield 120 armor
Caldari scout-180 shield 78 armor

Now based on just these 2 facts, we can clearly see that the assault would win...but there is more stats such as STRAFING speed! The asasult suits cannot strafe any better than a heavy (logically they can), and they are no match for a scout in close-quarters combat.

The assault user has no trouble shooting a scout in the open. But the assault user has to be unseen by the scout, and the scout has to be standing in the open uncloaked! THis is impossible, so most scout encounters are CQC...Now if you have ever winced upon the mighty scout in CQC as a scout and won, then 10/10 you will win against an assault suit in CQC, or a heavy in CQC.

This leads to more and more people using scout suits, which leads to focused complaints about how the scouts are OP, and how they are 'scrubs'

Now, if we change the assault suits stats to: 310 shield 210 armor then the first 10-20 shots that the assault user fires at the scout and misses will be compensated by extra HP, and the scout will lose his advantage of surprise...since everyone that faces a scout in CQC panics, misses theie first few shots then re-aims and nails them.

So, without further ado (or however it is spelt) hotfix echo should implement the fix to tanked armor scouts:

DOUBLE all suits shield and increase armor by 150%, depending on racial suit (gallante increase shield by 150%, double armor

Oh ok that ain't too shabby. I use my Min primarily so tanking it in anyway that ain't biotics is weird. I might stack regulators or damp(hardly). I tried reactive when I first started now I'm just chilling being squishy.

I did make a suit one night out of boredom. One energizer, one recharger, some sidearms, one regulator and a biotic I think. Had 122 shields and 87 armlr, lol it was bad but I might try it again for lulz

1. dang it, i failed to make a troll thread
2. but this could be a serious fix

Cloaks instantly fail now. You can't shoot while cloaked anymore.

fixed, now looks more realistic

I can see the humor behind my sarcastic thread was lost on most.

The general IQ of the forums isn't what it used to be.

How much armor/shield does the Amarr scout have(with cores leveled up)?

I am of the opinion that it is the combination of strafe speed and superior ewar that leads to dominant scouts. I don't think assaults need more ehp, or that scouts need to be squishier. TTK is in a pretty good place, not unlike chromosome. I think an ewar buff for assaults and a slight agility nerf for scouts would go a long way without creating unintended consequences. Just my 0.2 isk.

Hello, xavier here. I have ran my scout suit for a long time, and half the time i have been tanking it...experimenting with it. Yes, the gallante scout is basically an assault suit with ridiculous eWar, and the caldari scout has some hitbox issues. BUT this doesn't exclude the problem of tanked scouts to just these races. Here is the problem:

Caldari assault- 210 shield 120 armor
Caldari scout-180 shield 78 armor

Now based on just these 2 facts, we can clearly see that the assault would win...but there is more stats such as STRAFING speed! The asasult suits cannot strafe any better than a heavy (logically they can), and they are no match for a scout in close-quarters combat.

The assault user has no trouble shooting a scout in the open. But the assault user has to be unseen by the scout, and the scout has to be standing in the open uncloaked! THis is impossible, so most scout encounters are CQC...Now if you have ever winced upon the mighty scout in CQC as a scout and won, then 10/10 you will win against an assault suit in CQC, or a heavy in CQC.

This leads to more and more people using scout suits, which leads to focused complaints about how the scouts are OP, and how they are 'scrubs'

Now, if we change the assault suits stats to: 310 shield 210 armor then the first 10-20 shots that the assault user fires at the scout and misses will be compensated by extra HP, and the scout will lose his advantage of surprise...since everyone that faces a scout in CQC panics, misses theie first few shots then re-aims and nails them.

So, without further ado (or however it is spelt) hotfix echo should implement the fix to tanked armor scouts:

DOUBLE all suits shield and increase armor by 150%, depending on racial suit (gallante increase shield by 150%, double armor

Maybe we can have a new equipment. A detection drop module that you can lay on the ground like a drop link or a nanohive. Anything that passes withing its field gets shown on the tacnet of the squad.

Lol this is wrong. Go ahead and tell all those scouts I always kill in PCs with my Min assault that scouts always beat assault suits

We have to remember, not all assault suits are being controlled by you shepard, you are more skilled than your average joe. and most scouts are stupid too.....

I am of the opinion that it is the combination of strafe speed and superior ewar that leads to dominant scouts. I don't think assaults need more ehp, or that scouts need to be squishier. TTK is in a pretty good place, not unlike chromosome. I think an ewar buff for assaults and a slight agility nerf for scouts would go a long way without creating unintended consequences. Just my 0.2 isk.