DUST Search - Nova Knives aren't cool anymore

Ripley Riley wrote:

Vicious Minotaur wrote:

Feel the same when you get blapped by a forgegun? Blown to smithereens by REs? Get your head blown off by a sniper? Ran over by an LAV? Vaporized by an orbital?

I think I hit a nerve Lol

Forge guns lack the precision of a point-blank unavoidable shotgun blast to the head or knife to the back. I can zig-zag a bit and avoid a forgegunner.

I haven't died to an RE in months. Typically they are strapped to the objective. Throw a flux, watch them pop, hack the point. I WISH I could throw a flux and pop a scout. Somehow they would dodge it so there goes that idea.

Are you really going to bring up road kill deaths? LAVs make a lot of noise driving around at full speed. Don't get out in the open, listen for their incredibly load engine sounds, and you will die from a LAV once every thousand deaths.

Warbarge strikes aren't able to be dodged. You got me there, but at least someone earned a warbarge strike Lol

All you have to do to be a scout with knives is invest a few thousand SP.

Vicious Minotaur wrote:

They have the same effect, after all. I'd rather have legion have a fun play style than have it removed for absolutely no valid reason.

Fun for you, very unfun for hundreds of other players. That ratio is off. Just because a certain playstyle is fun for one group of players that doesn't justify it's existence. See: assault dropships.

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Dreis Shadowweaver Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 254	Posted - 2014.10.05 05:18:00 - [1] - Quote I got a message from someone that I knifed saying 'Tryhard'. You know, that's kind of what I'd think if I were knifed... Knives are no longer a niche weapon, and are getting to be a pretty common sight in battle. Since Charlie, knives have become a lot easier to use, and it's not like it was that hard to get into CQC anyway. Not to mention that everyone suddenly wants to use knives now to seem 'cool', but that ship has sailed. Mainly, I'm upset that they're becoming mainstream XD. How do you feel when you see a knifer in the kill-feed, or someone tries to knife you? Join the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3563	Posted - 2014.10.05 05:23:00 - [2] - Quote ... are you being a NK hipster? "I was knifing before they hit it big. I only use free range, organic knives." When I get knifed I feel the same way as when I get shotgunned: cheated out of a fight. I run assault dropsuits primarily and even in a squad a cloaked scout can BANZAI! stab me and run before a squadmate can cover my ass. It feels too much like an instagib. No time to react and utilize my dropsuits' abilities. I sometimes hope that Legion doesn't have melee weapons. They feel very antiquated in Dust 514. My advice to you, playa...
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1657	Posted - 2014.10.05 05:39:00 - [3] - Quote I was using knives back in chromozone. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
The Master Race Immortal Guides 67	Posted - 2014.10.05 05:41:00 - [4] - Quote The natural ewar of scouts makes every kill easy and as the op stated cheapens the game play experience for everyone. On my scout I run duel ion pistols slaying sheep that stray to far from the pack so I can at least pretend it is a challenge. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Vicious Minotaur 1189	Posted - 2014.10.05 05:53:00 - [5] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: ... When I get knifed I feel the same way as when I get shotgunned: cheated out of a fight. I run assault dropsuits primarily and even in a squad a cloaked scout can BANZAI! stab me and run before a squadmate can cover my ass. It feels too much like an instagib. No time to react and utilize my dropsuits' abilities. I sometimes hope that Legion doesn't have melee weapons. They feel very antiquated in Dust 514. Feel the same when you get blapped by a forgegun? Blown to smithereens by REs? Get your head blown off by a sniper? Ran over by an LAV? Vaporized by an orbital? They have the same effect, after all. I'd rather have legion have a fun play style than have it removed for absolutely no valid reason. Anyway, more on topic: why would I care about more people knifing? Knifing was only ever "cool" or outside the mainstream due to the myriad of aggravating issues that hampered the effectiveness of knives, thus preventing all but the most masochistic from using them. If knives had been "fixed" from their implementation, they would have never been "cool" and would have always been mainstream. Welcome to the way things should have been from the start. I am a minotaur.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3563	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:14:00 - [6] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Feel the same when you get blapped by a forgegun? Blown to smithereens by REs? Get your head blown off by a sniper? Ran over by an LAV? Vaporized by an orbital? I think I hit a nerve Forge guns lack the precision of a point-blank unavoidable shotgun blast to the head or knife to the back. I can zig-zag a bit and avoid a forgegunner. I haven't died to an RE in months. Typically they are strapped to the objective. Throw a flux, watch them pop, hack the point. I WISH I could throw a flux and pop a scout. Somehow they would dodge it so there goes that idea. Are you really going to bring up road kill deaths? LAVs make a lot of noise driving around at full speed. Don't get out in the open, listen for their incredibly load engine sounds, and you will die from a LAV once every thousand deaths. Warbarge strikes aren't able to be dodged. You got me there, but at least someone earned a warbarge strike All you have to do to be a scout with knives is invest a thousand SP. Vicious Minotaur wrote: They have the same effect, after all. I'd rather have legion have a fun play style than have it removed for absolutely no valid reason. Fun for you, very unfun for hundreds of other players. That ratio is off. Just because a certain playstyle is fun for one group of players that doesn't justify it's existence. See: assault dropships. My advice to you, playa...
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1006	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:27:00 - [7] - Quote I've been noticing this a bit. The influx in knife users along with the buffs CCP gave them, while small in most cases, seems to have people jumping on the bandwagon in saying they're OP. Why the need was felt to give them AA and a 2.5 meter range (?) is something I can't understand; seriously, 2.5 meters? That's taller than your clone. They're still fun to use though and it's entertaining to spot one in the killfeed. Usually don't worry about it unless I actually get knifed, at which point... It. Is. On Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1006	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:33:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Feel the same when you get blapped by a forgegun? Blown to smithereens by REs? Get your head blown off by a sniper? Ran over by an LAV? Vaporized by an orbital? I think I hit a nerve Forge guns lack the precision of a point-blank unavoidable shotgun blast to the head or knife to the back. I can zig-zag a bit and avoid a forgegunner. I haven't died to an RE in months. Typically they are strapped to the objective. Throw a flux, watch them pop, hack the point. I WISH I could throw a flux and pop a scout. Somehow they would dodge it so there goes that idea. Are you really going to bring up road kill deaths? LAVs make a lot of noise driving around at full speed. Don't get out in the open, listen for their incredibly load engine sounds, and you will die from a LAV once every thousand deaths. Warbarge strikes aren't able to be dodged. You got me there, but at least someone earned a warbarge strike All you have to do to be a scout with knives is invest a few thousand SP. Vicious Minotaur wrote: They have the same effect, after all. I'd rather have legion have a fun play style than have it removed for absolutely no valid reason. Fun for you, very unfun for hundreds of other players. That ratio is off. Just because a certain playstyle is fun for one group of players that doesn't justify it's existence. See: assault dropships. Now, perhaps it's different with AA, but both shotguns and Nova Knives are far from unavoidable at close range. It's so easy for a target to take a single step and have the knifer stumbling past like an idiot, or to have them realize you're there and start dancing around you. Ballerina4lyfe! Shotguns aren't much different, that strafing against a forgegunner will work pretty well against a shotgunner. RE's are still plenty common, I think they're losing some of their thunder though. Seem to be a bit less common for whatever reason, and there's not much you can do against LAV's on some maps. Sure, stay in cover all you want, but you're generally going to have to move eventually. You might hear that LAV coming, but if you're trying to cross the street with your friends and some drunk driver speeds around the corner with the nitrous on, good luck getting out of the way in time. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Aria Gomes The dyst0pian Corporation 549	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:35:00 - [9] - Quote Yeah the range increase gets me killed a lot. I'm used to hugging up on a person. This kinda close still kill you makes me feel...uncomfortable. I like hugging heavies.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1876	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:37:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: ... are you being a NK hipster? "I was knifing before they hit it big. I only use free range, organic knives." When I get knifed I feel the same way as when I get shotgunned: cheated out of a fight. I run assault dropsuits primarily and even in a squad a cloaked scout can BANZAI! stab me and run before a squadmate can cover my ass. It feels too much like an instagib. No time to react and utilize my dropsuits' abilities. I sometimes hope that Legion doesn't have melee weapons. They feel very antiquated in Dust 514. I think the scout did everything right, but I feel you had not enough means to counter him. For example, if he used his cloak to wait until you past, deactivated it, sprinted at you and knifed you, then sprinted off, he earned his kill. As it stands, he can simply sprint to you cloaked, kill you instantly, and be gone before anyone can even know he's there. This is improper use of the cloak. What we really need is for profile to increase with speed, meaning a sprinting scout is easier to see coming, making ambushes a) much more cat and mouse and b) giving people time to react if the scout springs the ambush too soon/late. But alas, Legion. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me

Henrietta Unknown Nox Lupos 333	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:46:00 - [11] - Quote I noticed the range buff while knifing. And today I severely underestimated that buff when facing off against mustard. I was like, "for sure there's too much distance between us for him to gank me" as I fired my lolMLT Magsec, and then WHAM. All while jumping back consecutive times. Give the Magsex some love.
Aria Gomes The dyst0pian Corporation 550	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:47:00 - [12] - Quote I wish there were more honorable nova knife users. :( So much bullshit. I had a CalScout, knife my squadmate. I jumped back and swung my knife to show that I wanted to fight. He shoots me -_- And if I ever accidentally kill a red that has knives or something while I'm running them. I write them mail or flash my weapons to show that I don't have knives. (Done that pre everyone leaving Dust and me and that person had a silent understanding that we'd go our seperate ways). We just took off to different directions.
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1123	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:52:00 - [13] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: ... are you being a NK hipster? "I was knifing before they hit it big. I only use free range, organic knives." When I get knifed I feel the same way as when I get shotgunned: cheated out of a fight. I run assault dropsuits primarily and even in a squad a cloaked scout can BANZAI! stab me and run before a squadmate can cover my ass. It feels too much like an instagib. No time to react and utilize my dropsuits' abilities. I sometimes hope that Legion doesn't have melee weapons. They feel very antiquated in Dust 514. I think the scout did everything right, but I feel you had not enough means to counter him. For example, if he used his cloak to wait until you past, deactivated it, sprinted at you and knifed you, then sprinted off, he earned his kill. As it stands, he can simply sprint to you cloaked, kill you instantly, and be gone before anyone can even know he's there. This is improper use of the cloak. What we really need is for profile to increase with speed, meaning a sprinting scout is easier to see coming, making ambushes a) much more cat and mouse and b) giving people time to react if the scout springs the ambush too soon/late. But alas, Legion. How a big electronic field surrounding your character doesn't INCREASE your electronic scan profile baffles me. EDIT: Hell the cloak should decrease your scan precision due to noise. Fixing swarms
Vicious Minotaur 1191	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:52:00 - [14] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Feel the same when you get blapped by a forgegun? Blown to smithereens by REs? Get your head blown off by a sniper? Ran over by an LAV? Vaporized by an orbital? I think I hit a nerve Forge guns lack the precision of a point-blank unavoidable shotgun blast to the head or knife to the back. I can zig-zag a bit and avoid a forgegunner. I haven't died to an RE in months. Typically they are strapped to the objective. Throw a flux, watch them pop, hack the point. I WISH I could throw a flux and pop a scout. Somehow they would dodge it so there goes that idea. Are you really going to bring up road kill deaths? LAVs make a lot of noise driving around at full speed. Don't get out in the open, listen for their incredibly load engine sounds, and you will die from a LAV once every thousand deaths. Warbarge strikes aren't able to be dodged. You got me there, but at least someone earned a warbarge strike All you have to do to be a scout with knives is invest a few thousand SP. Vicious Minotaur wrote: They have the same effect, after all. I'd rather have legion have a fun play style than have it removed for absolutely no valid reason. Fun for you, very unfun for hundreds of other players. That ratio is off. Just because a certain playstyle is fun for one group of players that doesn't justify it's existence. See: assault dropships. Hit a nerve? You think you hit a nerve when all I did was ask a legitimate question? Yeah, all you have to do in order to "instagib" a suit with NKs is invest a few thousand SP. Never mind anything else, like biotics and range/camps/precision mods... Looking at things like that, being anything, from heavy/assault/logi, nothing is SP intensive. All you need to be an assault and wreck face is lvl 1 assault of any race and a basic weapon and sidearm. Heavy? Just whip out a militia suit and HMG, no SP at all. And NKs are unfun for hundreds of players? Please, link me to the poll/research that was conducted on this topic. How often do you die to knives on a normal, non event day? How many kills do knives get in PC? How many kills do NKs get across all players in all modes compared to other weapons? How is it that you know this "ratio?" I am a minotaur.
Riruodo Templar Investigative Commission 306	Posted - 2014.10.05 07:24:00 - [15] - Quote Laser Rifle are the new Nova Knives Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. - "Tell me what you know about Templar One."
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1034	Posted - 2014.10.05 09:55:00 - [16] - Quote Your dumb face.
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2014.10.05 10:34:00 - [17] - Quote dat range of NK, can be please rename them to nova spears?
Alder King 85	Posted - 2014.10.05 10:45:00 - [18] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: I was using knives back in chromozone. Mossellia Delt is still 75 million ISK in debt to Appia. Also been knifing tanks since chromosome. You can thank Appia fit bringing that back What's the point in banning someone when they have 30 accounts?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9645	Posted - 2014.10.05 11:07:00 - [19] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: dat range of NK, can be please rename them to nova spears? That's an exaggeration. The range is not as big as some people here make it out to be. The reason it was increased from 2 to 2.5 meters is because striking with the knives has the effect of canceling your sprint. Back in the old days when the range was still 2 meters, this cancellation of the sprint when striking presented a major problem in which your target will have moved an extra 0.5 meters before your knives strike. There is also a slight delay between the time you tap the trigger and the moment the knives actually do their strike due to the animation speed. This resulted missed opportunities where knifers miss their marks despite being within humping distance of their target that's running away from them. With the tiny buff to range, this now made it possible to hit your mark while chasing your target. There is still a slight delay with the animation and your sprint still gets cancelled out when you strike, but the range buff compensates for that. As a consequence, it is no longer necessary to ask for a sprint-charge mechanic because the changes to the knives more than compensates for the lack of such mechanic. Surprisingly almost nobody, up to this point, has complained much about them outside of little things like tunnel vision and the recently-introduced Nova Knife Fitting Optimization skill book which requires a lot of SP to train but only gives you 2 PG savings at level V -- t's actually 1 PG saved if you fit anything else along with the knife. The fact that the knives become more mainstream doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'm happy for it. It means the knives are now totally viable rather than just being the laughing stock of the game. Also, popularity doesn't always equate to something being OP. I'm running into knifers more often but those people don't seem to know how to kill me with them and they drop like flies when they challenge me to a one-on-one duel with knives. This brings me to my next point. Ninja knifing requires a massive amount of investment in both experience and skill points. The knives won't be scary enough until you have trained up to at least level 3 on NK proficiency and level 3 on Minmatar Scout Dropsuit. That's not accounting for core skills like handheld weapon upgrades for the damage mods and engineering & electronic skills for the PG/CPU buffing on a suit that is notorious for having very limited PG compared to the rest of the scout suits. There is also the heavy losses you will encounter. I've been knifing since 2 years ago and I still suffer negative KDRs every match. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Billy Jr Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.10.05 11:45:00 - [20] - Quote As much as I miss me being the only guy in a scout suit running knives, they're still the most fun weapon in the entire game. My only real problem with knives is that duels are still incredibly rare for me to find.


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 533	Posted - 2014.10.05 11:48:00 - [21] - Quote "A close-quarters melee weapon, the nova knife is as deadly a weapon as anything on the battlefield. Its name derives from the heated plasma edge of the blade - formed by a thermic igniter and linear gravity condenser - that, in skilled hands, can be used to carve through even the thickest Dropsuit armour." Of course they're not cool, they never were...duh GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 299	Posted - 2014.10.05 11:55:00 - [22] - Quote just because more people are using them, dont mean these bish's can keep with with teh lion Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
Haerr Clone Manque 1549	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:01:00 - [23] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: "A close-quarters melee weapon, the nova knife is as deadly a weapon as anything on the battlefield. Its name derives from the heated plasma edge of the blade - formed by a thermic igniter and linear gravity condenser - that, in skilled hands, can be used to carve through even the thickest Dropsuit armour." Of course they're not cool, they never were...duh Woke up on the trolly side today, eh? Love it! +1 Not Jebus's alt. // Perpetual Newbie. // @JebusMcKing
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1001	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:20:00 - [24] - Quote There was a time when killing someone with knives in a gun fight earned you respect. Blame cloaks for making it too easy. HahaHAhA. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
The Master Race Immortal Guides 67	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:25:00 - [25] - Quote I always thought a try hard was like the fotm players the guys that had to play the most op set up because they suck instead of playing what they want. Scouts are fail no matter what but at least when you are using a knife it is boy scout mode instead of baby mode. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1001	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:25:00 - [26] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: "A close-quarters melee weapon, the nova knife is as deadly a weapon as anything on the battlefield. Its name derives from the heated plasma edge of the blade - formed by a thermic igniter and linear gravity condenser - that, in skilled hands, can be used to carve through even the thickest Dropsuit armour." Of course they're not cool, they never were...duh How is "Nova" derived from "the heated plasma edge of the blade - formed by a thermic igniter and linear gravity condenser"? Nova is defined as "a star showing a sudden large increase in brightness and then slowly returning to its original state over a few months." -Google I don't see the connection. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Billy Jr Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:25:00 - [27] - Quote medomai grey wrote: There was a time when killing someone with knives in a gun fight earned you respect. Blame cloaks for making it too easy. HahaHAhA. I blame everyone's lack of situational awareness and underestimating a 200HP suit. Although, I might be the only person running around with that small amount of HP.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 68	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:34:00 - [28] - Quote Billy Jr wrote: medomai grey wrote: There was a time when killing someone with knives in a gun fight earned you respect. Blame cloaks for making it too easy. HahaHAhA. I blame everyone's lack of situational awareness and underestimating a 200HP suit. Although, I might be the only person running around with that small amount of HP. Yea I can't believe you guys have trouble finding people that don't show on radar and are translucent.. I mean come on if you pan your camera more you might see me before I one shot you. Or if I am running a bunker set up it wont matter cause I take the damage you deal and shotgun you in the face I mean come on if you should have had a shotgun equipped also... you obviously have no SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. Lol I wish people could see themselves through my eyes just for a second. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1001	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:36:00 - [29] - Quote Billy Jr wrote: medomai grey wrote: There was a time when killing someone with knives in a gun fight earned you respect. Blame cloaks for making it too easy. HahaHAhA. I blame everyone's lack of situational awareness and underestimating a 200HP suit. Although, I might be the only person running around with that small amount of HP. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you blaming players for not spotting players using equipment who's sole function is to make the user more difficult to spot. Do you realize how stupid such an argument sounds? What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Billy Jr Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:48:00 - [30] - Quote The Master Race wrote: Billy Jr wrote: medomai grey wrote: There was a time when killing someone with knives in a gun fight earned you respect. Blame cloaks for making it too easy. HahaHAhA. I blame everyone's lack of situational awareness and underestimating a 200HP suit. Although, I might be the only person running around with that small amount of HP. Yea I can't believe you guys have trouble finding people that don't show on radar and are translucent.. I mean come on if you pan your camera more you might see me before I one shot you. Or if I am running a bunker set up it wont matter cause I take the damage you deal and shotgun you in the face I mean come on if you should have had a shotgun equipped also... you obviously have no SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. Lol I wish people could see themselves through my eyes just for a second. Well, you see, I'm completely visible because I don't use a cloak. And if you see me, I have no time to do anything because knives don't exactly have great range and I'm suicidally running with a flaylock as my backup. medomai grey, I'm blaming CCP for thinking it was needed and the majority of players for having terrible awareness to begin with. Have you seen the average pub player? It's saddening, actually.



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