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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.10.05 11:07:00 -
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Cpt McReady wrote:dat range of NK, can be please rename them to nova spears?
That's an exaggeration. The range is not as big as some people here make it out to be. The reason it was increased from 2 to 2.5 meters is because striking with the knives has the effect of canceling your sprint. Back in the old days when the range was still 2 meters, this cancellation of the sprint when striking presented a major problem in which your target will have moved an extra 0.5 meters before your knives strike. There is also a slight delay between the time you tap the trigger and the moment the knives actually do their strike due to the animation speed. This resulted missed opportunities where knifers miss their marks despite being within humping distance of their target that's running away from them.
With the tiny buff to range, this now made it possible to hit your mark while chasing your target. There is still a slight delay with the animation and your sprint still gets cancelled out when you strike, but the range buff compensates for that. As a consequence, it is no longer necessary to ask for a sprint-charge mechanic because the changes to the knives more than compensates for the lack of such mechanic.
Surprisingly almost nobody, up to this point, has complained much about them outside of little things like tunnel vision and the recently-introduced Nova Knife Fitting Optimization skill book which requires a lot of SP to train but only gives you 2 PG savings at level V -- t's actually 1 PG saved if you fit anything else along with the knife.
The fact that the knives become more mainstream doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'm happy for it. It means the knives are now totally viable rather than just being the laughing stock of the game. Also, popularity doesn't always equate to something being OP. I'm running into knifers more often but those people don't seem to know how to kill me with them and they drop like flies when they challenge me to a one-on-one duel with knives. This brings me to my next point.
Ninja knifing requires a massive amount of investment in both experience and skill points. The knives won't be scary enough until you have trained up to at least level 3 on NK proficiency and level 3 on Minmatar Scout Dropsuit. That's not accounting for core skills like handheld weapon upgrades for the damage mods and engineering & electronic skills for the PG/CPU buffing on a suit that is notorious for having very limited PG compared to the rest of the scout suits. There is also the heavy losses you will encounter. I've been knifing since 2 years ago and I still suffer negative KDRs every match.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9662
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Posted - 2014.10.06 18:15:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:I wish there were more honorable nova knife users. :( So much bullshit. I had a CalScout, knife my squadmate. I jumped back and swung my knife to show that I wanted to fight. He shoots me -_-
And if I ever accidentally kill a red that has knives or something while I'm running them. I write them mail or flash my weapons to show that I don't have knives. (Done that pre everyone leaving Dust and me and that person had a silent understanding that we'd go our seperate ways). We just took off to different directions. Lol I remember that Aria me and you ran into each other and I let you go cause you didn't have knives but to expand on what you are saying I ran into a mk.0 that had a SG/knife combo I shot them once to get his attention and he stared at me but didn't want to pull out his knives.. Eventually he shot me so I hunted him down with my TT-3 then I saw him stab my team so I tried one more time to knife fight him.. he cloaked and ran... let's just say I tortured him with my knives... I just want a fight is that too much to ask for? Yes haha everyone wants easy kills nowadays with the knives. And I think that's why we have so many new scrubby knifers. And yeah that day was awesome. I wish stuff like tgat would happen more often.
That's nothing. It still irks me to see scouts challenge me with a pair of knives only to blap me with a shotgun when I got close. ******* dishonorable little pricks.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9663
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Posted - 2014.10.06 19:40:00 -
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Her Nibs wrote:GM Archduke wrote:"A close-quarters melee weapon, the nova knife is as deadly a weapon as anything on the battlefield. Its name derives from the heated plasma edge of the blade - formed by a thermic igniter and linear gravity condenser - that, in skilled hands, can be used to carve through even the thickest Dropsuit armour." Of course they're not cool, they never were...duh  Knives just suck. I don't like that they terminate you instantly with no chance of being picked up. Same as the bolt pistol. Is is just me, or is anyone else getting tired of being instantly terminated by organic knives or a bolt pistol to the face. For all those new players out there, this can't be fun and if it were me, I'd probably quite this game before I even got to level 2. Keep trying cause even LVL 5 proficiency means nothing atm. I say, everyone put down the knives and breakout the proto spoons.
Knives only suck when in the hands of inexperienced players. In the hands of players who have dedicated 2 years learning how to master them, they don't suck at all. And don't you dare compare the knives to the bolt pistol. There is multiple huge differences between the two. First off, the Bolt Pistol has long range of about 40m compared to the knives which only have 2.5m maximum. Second, bolt pistols are really easy to pick up on compared to the high level of patience needed to fully utilize the knives. There is just no comparison and the knives are ok where they are now.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9669
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Posted - 2014.10.07 00:29:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Billy Jr wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:I think Shotguns are the new hipster weapon. Elaborate. This doesn't make sense to me. Scouts don't use shotguns anymore and its the new hipster weapon instead of nova knives. People will use the knives, realize you either commit to them completely to learn how to use them effectively or die trying, and go back to shotguns. Do, there is no try.
Understood, Master Yoda.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9670
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Posted - 2014.10.07 03:25:00 -
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Venerable Phage wrote:I'm still learning the joys of Nova knives. They not only take SP but skill, dedicated suit fit outs and most importantly clones who don't check their six.
Having fun with a Ginja (Sever scout) with MLT Nova Knife BPO with three red bottles for speed. No cloak.
I remember when cloaks didn't exist. Your best bet was to avoid being seen otherwise a mean stare would've paralyzed you.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9672
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Posted - 2014.10.07 03:55:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:Venerable Phage wrote:I'm still learning the joys of Nova knives. They not only take SP but skill, dedicated suit fit outs and most importantly clones who don't check their six.
Having fun with a Ginja (Sever scout) with MLT Nova Knife BPO with three red bottles for speed. No cloak. Did this, but was immediately one shotted by a gk.0 and Creodron SG with cloak. And we wonder why no one bothers to not use a cloak.
And that's what continuously kills me in every match where I don't use a cloak. Damn shotties following me while cloaked and then blap me as soon as stand still to observe an area.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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