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Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Riruodo wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

How can you not care? There is currently no reason for anyone to care about winning a match beyond just being competitive. That is the issue that has lead to the droves of players deployed solo.

-Lots of people have found that they can make far more ISK not trying to win (dying trying to defend/capturing points).

-Others have found that their KDR is better if they don't get too close to the points but position themselves to get plenty of kills. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose.

-People tanking, sniping, dropshipping, LAVing when stuff needs to be done around objectives.

When you mix the vets that do what I just described above in with a bunch of new players that just don't have a clue it creates a lot of frustration. I'm not sure how anyone can be happy with the participation in pubs. Are you saying that you are?

This^
very much so.

when I started I was all super excited about trying to win every match, and I would push myself to the extreme (and almost give myself a brain aneurysm). I would swear (but not too loudly) whenever I died, and I would constantly zerg rush (I think that's the term) a location, even if I was by myself.

Ah, to be a try hard noob, once again (lol, which was only a month ago).

And then around the Million Clone Challenge something clicked. Winning doesn't matter unless you're just looking to give yourself a pat on the back. There's no story, no level progression, we don't affect anything Eve side. This is just a very fun shootey type game.

so for a lot of people, and myself included, a good match isn't winning, a good match is going isk positive.

I wish you and the others here that like the team play aspect of Dust would send an app to Molon Labe. I'm not saying every squad gets broken down to the smallest detail, dropship insertions, etc., , but there are a lot of people there and really in General Tso's that love Dust and like to win. The more people that like to get on comms and attempt to go on 20 match win streaks the better.

Dust is an amazing game when there is strategy and teamwork. You can look at my posting history and see that I'm passionate about it. Either way, I think you are far more likely to stick around, get better, and have fun if you are in group.

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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3488	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:15:00 - [31] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Don't bother dude. I see what you are trying to imply. But it's simply not good game design to have people grind for years to gain access to gear to never be able to use it. But lets save that for a different thread. I can still adv and proto gear on my starter fittings. I fit adv plates to my starter frontline fitting; 2x adv plates and 1x std reactive. The cost of two adv modules is negligible, we're talking a few thousand ISK per fitting. I also have the starter frontline fit as-is just in case I get put up against a superior force* I won't lose my shirt. Adapt or die... or in OP's case biomass yourself. *: sometimes it isn't just being put up against a squad in better fittings. Sometimes that squad managed to field weapons that have weapons that are effective against your tank style. Maybe they just have a kick-ass squad leader who is effectively issuing squad orders. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 291	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:17:00 - [32] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: stitcheract wrote: I care about feeling like I am the only one doing something on the match. Like I see noobs not bringing uplinks. Has it ever occurred to you that you could squad up with corpmates or channel-buddies? I don't trust a blueberry to do jack. You find a group of 5 other mercs, you squad with them, get on comms, say, "I need uplinks dropped.", they do it. Join an active corp or channel. Learn where the best squads are hanging out. I don't find squading up to help all that much to be honest. Especially when the majority of the 26 other players factoring in the MU are solo. You get a multiplier of some sort when in a squad. So your side will get shittier players than they would have if your 6 players had entered solo. EDIT: I understand why Rattatti built this into the system, but an unintended consequence is to further incentivize solo play. Is this how MU works? is there a way to sort of cheat the MU system by going into a battle solo, but once the battle starts to jump into squads? Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. Starter corp for life!!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3488	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:19:00 - [33] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't find squading up to help all that much to be honest. You aren't getting in the right squads. The most fun I have is when I'm in a squad, and coincidentally, my K/D is vastly better when I'm in a squad. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4852	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:21:00 - [34] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Don't bother dude. I see what you are trying to imply. But it's simply not good game design to have people grind for years to gain access to gear to never be able to use it. But lets save that for a different thread. I can still adv and proto gear on my starter fittings. I fit adv plates to my starter frontline fitting; 2x adv plates and 1x std reactive. I also have the starter frontline fit as-is just in case I get put up against a superior force* I won't lose my shirt. Adapt or die... or in OP's case biomass yourself. : sometimes it isn't just being put up against a squad in better fittings. Sometimes that squad managed to field weapons that have weapons that are effective against your tank style. Maybe they just have a kick-ass squad leader who is effectively issuing squad orders. There are squads out there that can take on 16 players with some help from the occasional sniper round, but I'm honestly not that great of a slayer. If it's 16 v 6 which happens a LOT then I end up in a heavy suit or something to try and kill as much as I can. Sometimes squad leaders want to split up and try to win the match which very rarely ends well in the fun or ISK department. I prefer for the squad to find a good defensive place and let the fight come to me. I've been in skirmishes where my squad is laying waste to damn near the entire enemy team and the blueberries can't even derp their way to the other points and hack something. I'm dumbfounded that some players don't seem to have these issues. I love Dust but I find myself frustrated in a vast majority of matches I play because of all the solo, random blueberries not doing a damn thing. Level 4 Forum Warrior* PSN: wbrom42
stitcheract Savage Bullet 4	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:21:00 - [35] - Quote Would make sense if they actually listen to vets but they only listen to noobs crying op this op that. But you are right about the new game play, it just sucks.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4852	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:22:00 - [36] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't find squading up to help all that much to be honest. You aren't getting in the right squads. The most fun I have is when I'm in a squad, and coincidentally, my K/D is vastly better when I'm in a squad. Protip: find a Gallente logi that knows how to use an active scanner, squad with them. It's a good time. I prefer to be in a squad as well, but you aren't paying attention. The MU penalizes you further for being in a squad and you end up with even shittier blueberries than you would have if you were solo. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4852	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:23:00 - [37] - Quote Riruodo wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: stitcheract wrote: I care about feeling like I am the only one doing something on the match. Like I see noobs not bringing uplinks. Has it ever occurred to you that you could squad up with corpmates or channel-buddies? I don't trust a blueberry to do jack. You find a group of 5 other mercs, you squad with them, get on comms, say, "I need uplinks dropped.", they do it. Join an active corp or channel. Learn where the best squads are hanging out. I don't find squading up to help all that much to be honest. Especially when the majority of the 26 other players factoring in the MU are solo. You get a multiplier of some sort when in a squad. So your side will get shittier players than they would have if your 6 players had entered solo. EDIT: I understand why Rattatti built this into the system, but an unintended consequence is to further incentivize solo play. Is this how MU works? is there a way to sort of cheat the MU system by going into a battle solo, but once the battle starts to jump into squads? Yeah, but it's very unlikely that you'd all end up in the same match on the same side very often. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3490	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:26:00 - [38] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I prefer to be in a squad as well, but you aren't paying attention. The MU penalizes you further for being in a squad and you end up with even shittier blueberries than you would have if you were solo. If what you say is true, and being in a squad will give you window-licking blueberries then it is happening to both teams. The other team will consist of a good squad (or group of solo randoms with good mu scores) and some window-licking redberries too. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
stitcheract Savage Bullet 4	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:32:00 - [39] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: stitcheract wrote: I care about feeling like I am the only one doing something on the match. Like I see noobs not bringing uplinks. Has it ever occurred to you that you could squad up with corpmates or channel-buddies? I don't trust a blueberry to do jack. You find a group of 5 other mercs, you squad with them, get on comms, say, "I need uplinks dropped.", they do it. Join an active corp or channel. Learn where the best squads are hanging out. My corp used to be active,now with the hot fix most of them quit or are playing destiny,I see probably 3 to 4 people on the squad list,which I don't even know them cause they are new. I was switching back and forth with destiny and dust,but now I think I will only play destiny,I don't get the level of frustration as I am getting now with dust. I liked the social aspect of dust more than destiny's, but now I play solo most of the times and well why bother anymore.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3494	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:35:00 - [40] - Quote stitcheract wrote: My corp used to be active,now with the hot fix most of them quit God forbid you take a few minutes to find a new corporation or a new channel to hang out in Check out the recruitment forum. Post something in the Dust 514 subreddit. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4852	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:39:00 - [41] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I prefer to be in a squad as well, but you aren't paying attention. The MU penalizes you further for being in a squad and you end up with even shittier blueberries than you would have if you were solo. If what you say is true, and being in a squad will give you window-licking blueberries then it is happening to both teams. The other team will consist of a good squad (or group of solo randoms with good mu scores) and some window-licking redberries too. You need to start checking out your team chat when you deploy. It doesn't appear that you are noticing how many players are solo. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 456	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:40:00 - [42] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't find squading up to help all that much to be honest. That hurts man. That really hurts... I'm gonna go cry in corp now.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3494	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:45:00 - [43] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: You need to start checking out your team chat when you deploy. It doesn't appear that you are noticing how many players are solo. I don't notice, no, but then again I also don't care. If the blueberries on my team happen to figure out how to fire their weapon without killing themselves more power to them. I care about my squad. RayRay James wrote: That hurts man. That really hurts... I'm gonna go cry in corp now. I think you hurt Rayray's feelings. You should apologize. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4852	Posted - 2014.10.02 21:32:00 - [44] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: You need to start checking out your team chat when you deploy. It doesn't appear that you are noticing how many players are solo. I don't notice, no, but then again I also don't care. If the blueberries on my team happen to figure out how to fire their weapon without killing themselves more power to them. I care about my squad. RayRay James wrote: That hurts man. That really hurts... I'm gonna go cry in corp now. I think you hurt Rayray's feelings. You should apologize. How can you not care? There is currently no reason for anyone to care about winning a match beyond just being competitive. That is the issue that has lead to the droves of players deployed solo. -Lots of people have found that they can make far more ISK not trying to win (dying trying to defend/capturing points). -Others have found that their KDR is better if they don't get too close to the points but position themselves to get plenty of kills. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. -People tanking, sniping, dropshipping, LAVing when stuff needs to be done around objectives. When you mix the vets that do what I just described above in with a bunch of new players that just don't have a clue it creates a lot of frustration. I'm not sure how anyone can be happy with the participation in pubs. Are you saying that you are? Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 295	Posted - 2014.10.02 21:40:00 - [45] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: How can you not care? There is currently no reason for anyone to care about winning a match beyond just being competitive. That is the issue that has lead to the droves of players deployed solo. -Lots of people have found that they can make far more ISK not trying to win (dying trying to defend/capturing points). -Others have found that their KDR is better if they don't get too close to the points but position themselves to get plenty of kills. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. -People tanking, sniping, dropshipping, LAVing when stuff needs to be done around objectives. When you mix the vets that do what I just described above in with a bunch of new players that just don't have a clue it creates a lot of frustration. I'm not sure how anyone can be happy with the participation in pubs. Are you saying that you are? This^ very much so. when I started I was all super excited about trying to win every match, and I would push myself to the extreme (and almost give myself a brain aneurysm). I would swear (but not too loudly) whenever I died, and I would constantly zerg rush (I think that's the term) a location, even if I was by myself. Ah, to be a try hard noob, once again (lol, which was only a month ago). And then around the Million Clone Challenge something clicked. Winning doesn't matter unless you're just looking to give yourself a pat on the back. There's no story, no level progression, we don't affect anything Eve side. This is just a very fun shootey type game. so for a lot of people, and myself included, a good match isn't winning, a good match is going isk positive. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. Starter corp for life!!
stitcheract Savage Bullet 4	Posted - 2014.10.02 21:45:00 - [46] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: stitcheract wrote: My corp used to be active,now with the hot fix most of them quit God forbid you take a few minutes to find a new corporation or a new channel to hang out in Check out the recruitment forum. Post something in the Dust 514 subreddit. What for..done that many times over the last couple of years.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 367	Posted - 2014.10.02 21:51:00 - [47] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Did you get a picture of the EOM screen and send it to [email protected]? If what you say it true then CCP would like to know so they can fix it in the future... REALLY! We have tons of photos of this! Got half the team going 1/17 and worst sometimes?! Lately it has been less due to matchmaking, and I think he just hit a bad patch?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4856	Posted - 2014.10.02 21:53:00 - [48] - Quote Riruodo wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: How can you not care? There is currently no reason for anyone to care about winning a match beyond just being competitive. That is the issue that has lead to the droves of players deployed solo. -Lots of people have found that they can make far more ISK not trying to win (dying trying to defend/capturing points). -Others have found that their KDR is better if they don't get too close to the points but position themselves to get plenty of kills. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. -People tanking, sniping, dropshipping, LAVing when stuff needs to be done around objectives. When you mix the vets that do what I just described above in with a bunch of new players that just don't have a clue it creates a lot of frustration. I'm not sure how anyone can be happy with the participation in pubs. Are you saying that you are? This^ very much so. when I started I was all super excited about trying to win every match, and I would push myself to the extreme (and almost give myself a brain aneurysm). I would swear (but not too loudly) whenever I died, and I would constantly zerg rush (I think that's the term) a location, even if I was by myself. Ah, to be a try hard noob, once again (lol, which was only a month ago). And then around the Million Clone Challenge something clicked. Winning doesn't matter unless you're just looking to give yourself a pat on the back. There's no story, no level progression, we don't affect anything Eve side. This is just a very fun shootey type game. so for a lot of people, and myself included, a good match isn't winning, a good match is going isk positive. I wish you and the others here that like the team play aspect of Dust would send an app to Molon Labe. I'm not saying every squad gets broken down to the smallest detail, dropship insertions, etc., , but there are a lot of people there and really in General Tso's that love Dust and like to win. The more people that like to get on comms and attempt to go on 20 match win streaks the better. Dust is an amazing game when there is strategy and teamwork. You can look at my posting history and see that I'm passionate about it. Either way, I think you are far more likely to stick around, get better, and have fun if you are in group. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
stitcheract Savage Bullet 4	Posted - 2014.10.02 21:54:00 - [49] - Quote Riurodo with your comment I an know more than convinced that I am done with this game,probably most vets that do the work on the matches will get fed up of people like you. And will leave the game for good as well. So you isk hungry scrubs can shoot each other silly...thank you for letting me know your phucked up tactics.
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 295	Posted - 2014.10.02 22:10:00 - [50] - Quote stitcheract wrote: Riurodo with your comment I an know more than convinced that I am done with this game,probably most vets that do the work on the matches will get fed up of people like you. And will leave the game for good as well. So you isk hungry scrubs can shoot each other silly...thank you for letting me know your phucked up tactics. wait, whoa, what? how is it my fault that you're are leaving? I didn't say I AFK, or that I just sit around the the redline. I push myself over and over again and it's really frustrating because I'm going up against super vets that can run proto whenever they want to. You know what sucks? When you spend all your sp you've been saving for a week to get a gun, a single gun, up to advanced so you can have a tiny fraction of hope against someone else, and somebody with a (insert letter here)k. 0 proto suit kills you 10 times in a single match. You know how much SP I would have if I didn't participate in the MCC with an omega booster? 3 million. 3 million sp to go up against players with 20 or 30 or some even with 60 million sp. Some matches I manage to get into the top half of the kill feed. There's even been a few where I've placed in the top 3, but more often than not I'm looking at the bottom half, with more deaths than kills. And it's not my fault because I'm trying. I really am. And all I hear are get good or get out. I hate blue berries. yada yada. blah blah. It hurts. But I'm not going to let that stop me, but I'm not going to be stupid either. I'm constantly being reminded in the forums and in game that I suck, so the least I can do is try to come out isk positive. Why should that make you want to quit? (--_-- ) rant over. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. Starter corp for life!!

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1193	Posted - 2014.10.03 00:30:00 - [51] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Joel II X wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Happens to me every match. I only win when I'm in a full squad cuz of having a bunch of randoms when I'm solo. http://imgur.com/OytqOW0 This wasn't bad but still look at my teams scores. Great job. Probably because your MU is through the roof and team balancing has to match squads against you to even things out. I don't think it works that way. It matches up your team, so if you're very skilled, you'll get put with losers, and it'll do the same for the other side, but it won't match your team against theirs. This is why I now lose 75% of my matches and decided to stop trying. The buckets of mu are not in my favor. I disagree with you. I think it does work that way. My MU is the same as that squad combined so they get put on the other team cuz of it and I'm stuck with no squads as a result. Those teams look pretty even to me. My understanding is that we get ranked on our Mu, #1 on Team A, Team B will then be filled until #1 score is matched. Squads have a modifier attached to their score. So, yeah, it more or less works that way. You went 45-1, is it really unfair that your team is a little bit weaker? What I see happening is that teams are divided similar to yours were then players like you quit, leaving the rest of the team to get stomped. Because, that's why.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5265	Posted - 2014.10.03 00:33:00 - [52] - Quote If i had a dollar for every time i was put on a team full of noobs and then lost i'd be pretty poor. I is so l33t i carry the entire team no matter what! EVE 21 Day Trial
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1010	Posted - 2014.10.03 00:33:00 - [53] - Quote can i haz ur isk Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
The Master Race Immortal Guides 54	Posted - 2014.10.03 00:36:00 - [54] - Quote I have been in matches where it was randoms vs a team made up of 2 guilds. I can't remember the names death something oh well yea it seems to me people have found out how to subvert the system already. It was prolly someone on the inside that wants there guild to get easy kills. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1193	Posted - 2014.10.03 00:40:00 - [55] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Riruodo wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: How can you not care? There is currently no reason for anyone to care about winning a match beyond just being competitive. That is the issue that has lead to the droves of players deployed solo. -Lots of people have found that they can make far more ISK not trying to win (dying trying to defend/capturing points). -Others have found that their KDR is better if they don't get too close to the points but position themselves to get plenty of kills. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. -People tanking, sniping, dropshipping, LAVing when stuff needs to be done around objectives. When you mix the vets that do what I just described above in with a bunch of new players that just don't have a clue it creates a lot of frustration. I'm not sure how anyone can be happy with the participation in pubs. Are you saying that you are? This^ very much so. when I started I was all super excited about trying to win every match, and I would push myself to the extreme (and almost give myself a brain aneurysm). I would swear (but not too loudly) whenever I died, and I would constantly zerg rush (I think that's the term) a location, even if I was by myself. Ah, to be a try hard noob, once again (lol, which was only a month ago). And then around the Million Clone Challenge something clicked. Winning doesn't matter unless you're just looking to give yourself a pat on the back. There's no story, no level progression, we don't affect anything Eve side. This is just a very fun shootey type game. so for a lot of people, and myself included, a good match isn't winning, a good match is going isk positive. I wish you and the others here that like the team play aspect of Dust would send an app to Molon Labe. I'm not saying every squad gets broken down to the smallest detail, dropship insertions, etc., , but there are a lot of people there and really in General Tso's that love Dust and like to win. The more people that like to get on comms and attempt to go on 20 match win streaks the better. Dust is an amazing game when there is strategy and teamwork. You can look at my posting history and see that I'm passionate about it. Either way, I think you are far more likely to stick around, get better, and have fun if you are in group. Here we have a problem. I run solo most of the time because my corp. is pretty good, if we run a squad it is almost always a stomp and I take no pleasure in having a high score at the expense of hapless newberries with 1/4 the SP I do. I save it for FW if I want to play hard, I could also do PC, but stomping pubs just isn't fun. That isn't a criticism of you or how you play, just a design problem that a game like Dust has to struggle with. I wish that we could get people to lower their gear and tactics for pub and have the three modes act as tiers, but someone will pull a proto squad in pub and everyone else will follow suit. Because, that's why.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3748	Posted - 2014.10.03 00:42:00 - [56] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Joel II X wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Happens to me every match. I only win when I'm in a full squad cuz of having a bunch of randoms when I'm solo. http://imgur.com/OytqOW0 This wasn't bad but still look at my teams scores. Great job. Probably because your MU is through the roof and team balancing has to match squads against you to even things out. I don't think it works that way. It matches up your team, so if you're very skilled, you'll get put with losers, and it'll do the same for the other side, but it won't match your team against theirs. This is why I now lose 75% of my matches and decided to stop trying. The buckets of mu are not in my favor. I disagree with you. I think it does work that way. My MU is the same as that squad combined so they get put on the other team cuz of it and I'm stuck with no squads as a result. Those teams look pretty even to me. My understanding is that we get ranked on our Mu, #1 on Team A, Team B will then be filled until #1 score is matched. Squads have a modifier attached to their score. So, yeah, it more or less works that way. You went 45-1, is it really unfair that your team is a little bit weaker? What I see happening is that teams are divided similar to yours were then players like you quit, leaving the rest of the team to get stomped. That's not what I want but I don't want lose every fkn game cuz they get a full organized squad against ME one solo player. Yeah I'm good but why the fk should I lose every game or have to be in a full squad to win? Cuz I'm a good player I should be punished for playing solo? Also I don't quit dumb ass. I'm not you. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1146	Posted - 2014.10.03 00:52:00 - [57] - Quote my ps4 made me quit playing dust. i just can not go back to the three except for netflix and amazon and vuduu, crunchyroll.
John ShepardIII DUST University 908	Posted - 2014.10.03 01:07:00 - [58] - Quote If your facing a bunch if Protostompers leave battle The True Shepard. Helping noobs everywhere. **Lvl .9 Forum Warrior
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1325	Posted - 2014.10.03 01:11:00 - [59] - Quote Because of only four games? I bet the OP himself has been stomping four or more games in a row... People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change


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