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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:49:00 -
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It happens to me every match as well.
If they don't do something soon to make it hard on the droves of people that going into a match to snipe, drive LAVs, tank, and practice dropship piloting it's going to make me stop playing.
There are just flat out not enough people that are willing to push/defend points. THAT should be where you make your ISK, but it's not. The true profit is in doing nothing.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4850
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:52:00 -
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I was in a really good squad yesterday and we faced off against a squad that had one of the guys in the top 5 of alltime kills and some other good players.
Only one time did their team even get close to the point in a domination. It was like an ambush but with an objective that was being ignored. They didn't even get halfway through our shields on the MCC. But their KDR looked great.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4851
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:00:00 -
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stitcheract wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:It happens to me every match as well.
If they don't do something soon to make it hard on the droves of people that going into a match to snipe, drive LAVs, tank, and practice dropship piloting it's going to make me stop playing.
There are just flat out not enough people that are willing to push/defend points. THAT should be where you make your ISK, but it's not. The true profit is in doing nothing. And that is exactly what I mean...very well said
Talk to Soraya Xel one of our CPMs about it.
He doesn't believe that the droves of people wanting to do whatever they want match after match is a problem for people trying to participate in the actual design of the gamemodes. I wouldn't have a problem with it either IF we didn't have to pay for the suits/gear that we use.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4851
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:06:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:stitcheract wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Did you get a picture of the EOM screen and send it to [email protected]? If what you say it true then CCP would like to know so they can fix it in the future... No sorry...didn't have desire for future gameplay after what it seemed to be a rule of thumb. So, you are willing to shitpost on the forums for 10 - 15 minutes instead of uploading 4 pictures to Imgur then emailing them to CCP (3 minutes tops)? You won't do this, even though there is a decent chance CCP could tweak their team building algorithm for the better. Pathetic 
I don't believe the problem is with the MU system. I don't think the system can work with so many solo players. What if players on your side decide to snipe? What if 5 people on your side decide to tank?
It's the solo/random play that screws everything up.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4851
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:10:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I wouldn't have a problem with it either IF we didn't have to pay for the suits/gear that we use. BRB, going to go look through the Delta notes for that part about removing starter fittings...
Don't bother dude.
I see what you are trying to imply. But it's simply not good game design to have people grind for years to gain access to gear to never be able to use it. But lets save that for a different thread.
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PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4851
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:14:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:stitcheract wrote:I care about feeling like I am the only one doing something on the match. Like I see noobs not bringing uplinks. Has it ever occurred to you that you could squad up with corpmates or channel-buddies? I don't trust a blueberry to do jack. You find a group of 5 other mercs, you squad with them, get on comms, say, "I need uplinks dropped.", they do it. Join an active corp or channel. Learn where the best squads are hanging out.
I don't find squading up to help all that much to be honest. Especially when the majority of the 26 other players factoring in the MU are solo. You get a multiplier of some sort when in a squad. So your side will get shittier players than they would have if your 6 players had entered solo.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4852
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:21:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Don't bother dude.
I see what you are trying to imply. But it's simply not good game design to have people grind for years to gain access to gear to never be able to use it. But lets save that for a different thread. I can still adv and proto gear on my starter fittings. I fit adv plates to my starter frontline fitting; 2x adv plates and 1x std reactive. I also have the starter frontline fit as-is just in case I get put up against a superior force* I won't lose my shirt. Adapt or die... or in OP's case biomass yourself. *: sometimes it isn't just being put up against a squad in better fittings. Sometimes that squad managed to field weapons that have weapons that are effective against your tank style. Maybe they just have a kick-ass squad leader who is effectively issuing squad orders.
There are squads out there that can take on 16 players with some help from the occasional sniper round, but I'm honestly not that great of a slayer. If it's 16 v 6 which happens a LOT then I end up in a heavy suit or something to try and kill as much as I can.
Sometimes squad leaders want to split up and try to win the match which very rarely ends well in the fun or ISK department. I prefer for the squad to find a good defensive place and let the fight come to me.
I've been in skirmishes where my squad is laying waste to damn near the entire enemy team and the blueberries can't even derp their way to the other points and hack something.
I'm dumbfounded that some players don't seem to have these issues. I love Dust but I find myself frustrated in a vast majority of matches I play because of all the solo, random blueberries not doing a damn thing.
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PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4852
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:22:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I don't find squading up to help all that much to be honest. You aren't getting in the right squads. The most fun I have is when I'm in a squad, and coincidentally, my K/D is vastly better when I'm in a squad. Protip: find a Gallente logi that knows how to use an active scanner, squad with them. It's a good time.
I prefer to be in a squad as well, but you aren't paying attention.
The MU penalizes you further for being in a squad and you end up with even shittier blueberries than you would have if you were solo.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4852
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:23:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:stitcheract wrote:I care about feeling like I am the only one doing something on the match. Like I see noobs not bringing uplinks. Has it ever occurred to you that you could squad up with corpmates or channel-buddies? I don't trust a blueberry to do jack. You find a group of 5 other mercs, you squad with them, get on comms, say, "I need uplinks dropped.", they do it. Join an active corp or channel. Learn where the best squads are hanging out. I don't find squading up to help all that much to be honest. Especially when the majority of the 26 other players factoring in the MU are solo. You get a multiplier of some sort when in a squad. So your side will get shittier players than they would have if your 6 players had entered solo. EDIT: I understand why Rattatti built this into the system, but an unintended consequence is to further incentivize solo play. Is this how MU works? is there a way to sort of cheat the MU system by going into a battle solo, but once the battle starts to jump into squads?
Yeah, but it's very unlikely that you'd all end up in the same match on the same side very often.
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PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4852
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:39:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I prefer to be in a squad as well, but you aren't paying attention.
The MU penalizes you further for being in a squad and you end up with even shittier blueberries than you would have if you were solo. If what you say is true, and being in a squad will give you window-licking blueberries then it is happening to both teams. The other team will consist of a good squad (or group of solo randoms with good mu scores) and some window-licking redberries too.
You need to start checking out your team chat when you deploy. It doesn't appear that you are noticing how many players are solo.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4852
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:32:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:You need to start checking out your team chat when you deploy. It doesn't appear that you are noticing how many players are solo. I don't notice, no, but then again I also don't care. If the blueberries on my team happen to figure out how to fire their weapon without killing themselves more power to them. I care about my squad. RayRay James wrote:That hurts man.
That really hurts...
I'm gonna go cry in corp now. I think you hurt Rayray's feelings. You should apologize.
How can you not care? There is currently no reason for anyone to care about winning a match beyond just being competitive. That is the issue that has lead to the droves of players deployed solo.
-Lots of people have found that they can make far more ISK not trying to win (dying trying to defend/capturing points).
-Others have found that their KDR is better if they don't get too close to the points but position themselves to get plenty of kills. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose.
-People tanking, sniping, dropshipping, LAVing when stuff needs to be done around objectives.
When you mix the vets that do what I just described above in with a bunch of new players that just don't have a clue it creates a lot of frustration. I'm not sure how anyone can be happy with the participation in pubs. Are you saying that you are?
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PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4856
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:53:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:How can you not care? There is currently no reason for anyone to care about winning a match beyond just being competitive. That is the issue that has lead to the droves of players deployed solo.
-Lots of people have found that they can make far more ISK not trying to win (dying trying to defend/capturing points).
-Others have found that their KDR is better if they don't get too close to the points but position themselves to get plenty of kills. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose.
-People tanking, sniping, dropshipping, LAVing when stuff needs to be done around objectives.
When you mix the vets that do what I just described above in with a bunch of new players that just don't have a clue it creates a lot of frustration. I'm not sure how anyone can be happy with the participation in pubs. Are you saying that you are? This^ very much so. when I started I was all super excited about trying to win every match, and I would push myself to the extreme (and almost give myself a brain aneurysm). I would swear (but not too loudly) whenever I died, and I would constantly zerg rush (I think that's the term) a location, even if I was by myself. Ah, to be a try hard noob, once again (lol, which was only a month ago). And then around the Million Clone Challenge something clicked. Winning doesn't matter unless you're just looking to give yourself a pat on the back. There's no story, no level progression, we don't affect anything Eve side. This is just a very fun shootey type game. so for a lot of people, and myself included, a good match isn't winning, a good match is going isk positive.
I wish you and the others here that like the team play aspect of Dust would send an app to Molon Labe. I'm not saying every squad gets broken down to the smallest detail, dropship insertions, etc., , but there are a lot of people there and really in General Tso's that love Dust and like to win. The more people that like to get on comms and attempt to go on 20 match win streaks the better.
Dust is an amazing game when there is strategy and teamwork. You can look at my posting history and see that I'm passionate about it. Either way, I think you are far more likely to stick around, get better, and have fun if you are in group.
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