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VECTORS ABROAD Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:00:00 - [1] - Quote I really want a respect for skill points because so many changes have come out and I think that we should get a respec for all our skill points.
valad II NoGameNoLife 166	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:02:00 - [2] - Quote VECTORS ABROAD wrote: I really want a respect for skill points because so many changes have come out and I think that we should get a respec for all our skill points. I get no respect either. Join the club. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOUqQt3Kg0
valad II NoGameNoLife 166	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:05:00 - [3] - Quote VECTORS ABROAD wrote: I really want a respect for skill points because so many changes have come out and I think that we should get a respec for all our skill points. But you know what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tth-8wA3PdY
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game RUST415 658	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:06:00 - [4] - Quote Heres what I want to say: No. Heres what I'm gonna say: No. Here's what everybody else will say: No. Here's what CCP will say: No. The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P1. "GET BACK HERE YOU SCRUB" - Lorelei Zee 2014
LittleCuteBunny 545	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:08:00 - [5] - Quote VECTORS ABROAD wrote: I really want a respect. Earn it :) Graveyard 514
VECTORS ABROAD Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:14:00 - [6] - Quote Why is everyone so against a respect?
valad II NoGameNoLife 166	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:16:00 - [7] - Quote I am not against respect at all. You respect me and I will respect you. It is not just given away. Common decency.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3707	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:16:00 - [8] - Quote VECTORS ABROAD wrote: Why is everyone so against a respect? There's no point. CCP won't give one, anyways.
VECTORS ABROAD Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:37:00 - [9] - Quote Joel II X wrote: VECTORS ABROAD wrote: Why is everyone so against a respect? There's no point. CCP won't give one, anyways. I think we should start a petition for a respect because we deserve one and besides Dust 514 will be dead the instant Legion is out for reasons that are clear enough.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 292	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:40:00 - [10] - Quote Making petitions demanding respect won't get you any respect from the community, much less CCP. Heck, I don't have any respect for you and all you've done so far is talk about it.

VECTORS ABROAD Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.10.01 22:58:00 - [11] - Quote Really all I am looking for is a Dropsuit and Weapons Respect. CCP if you are reading this, take this into consideration. Life sucks sometimes, much like Dust 514.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 750	Posted - 2014.10.01 23:03:00 - [12] - Quote lolrespecthreads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwu-6GxBHN4
JP Acuna Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 258	Posted - 2014.10.01 23:07:00 - [13] - Quote I could use a respec from racial assault dropships, unless they come up with a real bonus SOON. It's 2.4 million SP changing nothing.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3205	Posted - 2014.10.01 23:34:00 - [14] - Quote I think we should get a forum search feature!.....oh wait... Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9613	Posted - 2014.10.02 00:43:00 - [15] - Quote @VECTORS Let me make myself clear. There is a difference between respec and respect (note the spelling). RESPEC Respec is the ability to re-specialize from one specialty to another. Basically rearranging or reallocating where the skill points are placed on a skill tree. Some games have this feature but others don't. CCP has and still is running Eve Online for 11 years non-stop and every player on Eve can vouch for me when I say that they never received a single respec from CCP despite the mountain of ship balancing changes -- some of which have effectively changed roles altogether -- that have occurred over the course of the last 11 years. Except for one respec that was handed out... on the first year (2003)... on the day of its release. That was considered the FINAL respec ever given. If CCP won't give them, paying customers who subscribe to Eve Online, then us Dust players who play for free have no chance in getting any further respecs and the last one was about 6 months ago when scout suits and heavy suits came out for the rest of the races. Dust has only been around for about a year and a half (release date: May 14, 2013). Keep in mind that Eve players already have the tools to adapt to any ship balance changes in addition to all skill points being accrued passively 100%. No active SP gains exist in Eve Online compared to Dust which does have active SP gains in addition to passive. The gains in SP for Dust is not that hard especially if you throw in boosters. Even without the boosters, CCP occasionally hosts events that reward players with SP such as the Million Clone Challenge where we gain 1 million SP in 4 days (2 million if we meet the stretch goal) and that's before boosters are applied. Now we have the Sidearm Expert Challenge which rewards the average player with 1,000 SP for every kill made with any sidearm up to 750,000 SP which is quite a lot considering that you're also gaining passive and active SP at the same time along the way before boosters are applied. The bonus reward of naming an officer sidearm is only for those players like me who are willing to go above and beyond to prove who's the most badass for a given sidearm. RESPECT Respect for authority. Respecting your elders. Respect for those who you acknowledge to be better than you. This has nothing to do with re-specialization or reallocation of skill points. Cheers. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 293	Posted - 2014.10.02 01:26:00 - [16] - Quote Aww, you had to go and explain the joke... I'm done! Done. Enough of this! /dropmic
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9618	Posted - 2014.10.02 01:34:00 - [17] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Aww, you had to go and explain the joke... I'm done! Done. Enough of this! /dropmic /impersonates George W. Bush Mission Accomplished On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2014.10.02 07:32:00 - [18] - Quote people still care about the dead game dust? SP in dust do not matter at all.
valad II NoGameNoLife 173	Posted - 2014.10.02 07:36:00 - [19] - Quote You are right, just about as much as your opinions. But yet here you are on the forums of a dead game.
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2014.10.02 07:46:00 - [20] - Quote valad II wrote: You are right, just about as much as your opinions. But yet here you are on the forums of a dead game. maybe you havent realized it yet, the legion section is also on this forum

Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 888	Posted - 2014.10.02 08:08:00 - [21] - Quote You will get a respec when Ripley Riley gets his lap dance. Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1230	Posted - 2014.10.02 11:49:00 - [22] - Quote I back you OP but it looks like no one else has the balls to admit that this is needed . So sad that for a game that's on life support , people still want to act like the " fun police " and keep these bull$h!t policies enforced and as for a company CCP cares nothing about the fun factor . Yeah , keep having these lame @$$ event's , it seems like the sheeple just love that . #EveSheeplethatareagainstskillpointrefunds Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 461	Posted - 2014.10.02 12:07:00 - [23] - Quote Agreed Its time CCP gave in and gave the players what they want. For some reason CCP is extremely against it and I cant fathom why. Most that want a respec want it so that they can actually skill into one set of skills (like assault rifle) because they did what every noob does and put their skills all over the place. If anything I know a respec would help balance out the game a bit. Of course people will say "what about proto stomping that will just make it worse!" On the contrary, It will elleviate the proto stomping grip this game seems to have on everyone. Basically so many players that could be proto stomping but cant due to misplaced skills would be able to proto stomp as well making almost every match a stomp fest. Hence it would balance out the game play massively. And yet CCP for some reason refuses to give everyone that respec they so desire. So what if they all decide to do flavor of the month?! Those that dont do flavor of the month will be that much more powerful in game because believe me flavor of the months tend to get nerfed before everything else. So in closing, CCP get off your butts and give them a respec because its long over due and you have no real reason not to give them one. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16999	Posted - 2014.10.02 12:26:00 - [24] - Quote The problem is that so many more changes are planned. if we do this for a hotfix now the requests for hotfixes will be back as soon as another hotfix or followup is deployed. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 241	Posted - 2014.10.02 12:33:00 - [25] - Quote I can't think of any changes drastic enough to warrant a respec.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1324	Posted - 2014.10.02 12:43:00 - [26] - Quote Respec thread number #1076. I still have no respect towards these threads. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3472	Posted - 2014.10.02 12:46:00 - [27] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: You will get a respec when Ripley Riley gets his lap dance. I'm waiting Miss Stone... always sob waiting... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 110	Posted - 2014.10.02 13:33:00 - [28] - Quote VECTORS ABROAD wrote: I really want a respect for skill points because so many changes have come out and I think that we should get a respec for all our skill points. Boyo CCP dont givin' repsec easily, i basicaly start from sratch seven times (like one of orthodox purists here) just because changes to weaponary and suits. On the other side, changes what we have now are pretty good ones, there is finally fun and balance in games. I dont know if you was here before in ol' times, but that was hell of nonsence in balancing. Right now its finally in good direction under rattati and his team Friendly one> Spec in suits and core first, leave weaponary for later. You will step before some nasty changes "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Mex-0 G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 72	Posted - 2014.10.02 13:42:00 - [29] - Quote CCP won't give you a respec nor any respect. Right now, I'm playing on my 16 mil SP alt (this one), because my cousins screwed around with my SP and wasted it on useless stuff. Deal with it. Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3892	Posted - 2014.10.02 14:16:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem is that so many more changes are planned. if we do this for a hotfix now the requests for hotfixes will be back as soon as another hotfix or followup is deployed. Indeed. People need to realize, hotfixes are not a one-and-done thing. The point is to continually evolve and improve game balance, and chase after the unattainable goal of a perfectly balanced shooter. Also, IWS, you mean the requests for respecs. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 466	Posted - 2014.10.02 14:23:00 - [31] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem is that so many more changes are planned. if we do this for a hotfix now the requests for hotfixes will be back as soon as another hotfix or followup is deployed. Indeed. People need to realize, hotfixes are not a one-and-done thing. The point is to continually evolve and improve game balance, and chase after the unattainable goal of a perfectly balanced shooter. Also, IWS, you mean the requests for respecs. ;) Yet legion will come out with an entirely different skill tree and we will get a respec anyway.
valad II NoGameNoLife 179	Posted - 2014.10.02 14:29:00 - [32] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem is that so many more changes are planned. if we do this for a hotfix now the requests for hotfixes will be back as soon as another hotfix or followup is deployed. Indeed. People need to realize, hotfixes are not a one-and-done thing. The point is to continually evolve and improve game balance, and chase after the unattainable goal of a perfectly balanced shooter. Also, IWS, you mean the requests for respecs. ;) Yet legion will come out with an entirely different skill tree and we will get a respec anyway. Good so just be patient and wait for Legion and stop begging for Respects.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 466	Posted - 2014.10.02 14:36:00 - [33] - Quote valad II wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem is that so many more changes are planned. if we do this for a hotfix now the requests for hotfixes will be back as soon as another hotfix or followup is deployed. Indeed. People need to realize, hotfixes are not a one-and-done thing. The point is to continually evolve and improve game balance, and chase after the unattainable goal of a perfectly balanced shooter. Also, IWS, you mean the requests for respecs. ;) Yet legion will come out with an entirely different skill tree and we will get a respec anyway. Good so just be patient and wait for Legion and stop begging for Respects. I'm not begging for one. All a repec would do is add a little variety. You guys are so against it and won't give valid reasons why. Fotm? People already have it and would likely just skill into it again and if they don't have it, they probably are getting it now and just need a few more skill points to get it.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.10.02 14:40:00 - [34] - Quote VECTORS ABROAD wrote: Really all I am looking for is a Dropsuit and Weapons Respect. CCP if you are reading this, take this into consideration. Really? Only dropsuits and weapons? Well, then..... No
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2014.10.02 14:46:00 - [35] - Quote getting into proto of what some scrubs call "FOTM" takes maximum two weeks. everyone already has it or is working for it right now. spending all your SP into proto stuff of a different playstyle is completely different, this would take months. anyway dust is dead and the SP do not matter
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.10.02 15:05:00 - [36] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: All a repec would do is add a little variety No, it won't. It mean's people will take their level 3 to level 5. They'll actually lose variety in their suits and weapons. Echo 1991 wrote: You guys are so against it and won't give valid reasons why. Fotm? Yep. That and the hotfixes aren't done and people will want a respec after each hotfix Echo 1991 wrote: People already have it and would likely just skill into it again and if they don't have it, they probably are getting it now and just need a few more skill points to get it. You do realize you answered your own question, right? It pertains to my first answer above Not to mention the technical back end CCP would need to do for the respec which has been answered so many times on the forums, I'm surprised the DEVs haven't stickied it to the top of every page in every forum. Hey... there's an idea.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6099	Posted - 2014.10.02 15:06:00 - [37] - Quote +1 signed. Theres no reason not to get one now other than it being too much effort for the small team working on dust. Flash gaps.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6099	Posted - 2014.10.02 15:07:00 - [38] - Quote And if this game is no longer permanent and will eventually not matter, then why should our choices?. I have around 5 adv/proto weapons ill never use again and some suits since i dedicated this car to Minmatar. Flash gaps.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6099	Posted - 2014.10.02 15:08:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem is that so many more changes are planned. if we do this for a hotfix now the requests for hotfixes will be back as soon as another hotfix or followup is deployed. That sounds good. Things are looking good so ill be restocking my aurum supplies next month. Flash gaps.
Haerr 1533	Posted - 2014.10.02 15:10:00 - [40] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem is that so many more changes are planned. if we do this for a hotfix now the requests for hotfixes will be back as soon as another hotfix or followup is deployed. Indeed. People need to realize, hotfixes are not a one-and-done thing. The point is to continually evolve and improve game balance, and chase after the unattainable goal of a perfectly balanced shooter. Also, IWS, you mean the requests for respecs. ;) Yet legion will come out with an entirely different skill tree and we will get a respec anyway. Yupp, a respec has already been confirmed in the shape of Legion. Wether or not we get one in the mean time matters very little to me.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9624	Posted - 2014.10.02 17:34:00 - [41] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem is that so many more changes are planned. if we do this for a hotfix now the requests for hotfixes will be back as soon as another hotfix or followup is deployed. Indeed. People need to realize, hotfixes are not a one-and-done thing. The point is to continually evolve and improve game balance, and chase after the unattainable goal of a perfectly balanced shooter. Also, IWS, you mean the requests for respecs. ;) Yet legion will come out with an entirely different skill tree and we will get a respec anyway. Haerr wrote: Yupp, a respec has already been confirmed in the shape of Legion. Wether or not we get one in the mean time matters very little to me. I hate to reign in on your parade over here, but CCP Z said that there has been a change of plans since he last posted before he disappeared into obscurity. Therefore, DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH for a respec system in Legion. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2225094#post2225094 CCP Z wrote: Hello, And sorry for not giving any answer for quite a while, but as you can see in my other thread, Market has been my focus for the past couple of months (and a lot of secret other stuff of course!). Basically, a lot of good points were made during this discussion and I had some long chats regarding the Progression System. I looked at all the different proposal, our vision for what the Progression for Legion should be evolved a lot since Fanfest. So a lot of changes will be made from the presentation I made. Even though we want to change the way Progression was in DUST, we still want to keep some important mechanics you guys love. So for now, I will close this Thread and get back to you as soon as we have the Progression 2.0 Design. Thanks a lot for all your Feedback, it helps us a lot making the right choice for our game. Z There you have it. Something(s) has or will be changed. He didn't say what those changes are going to be so don't get your hopes up too high for a respec system in Legion. If it comes and you were expecting it, good for you. If it doesn't come, oh well. Tough luck just like how I was expecting a secondary market in Dust that never came. PS: I have +1'ed your replies not because I agree with you but because I wanted to bring this to your attention. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Haerr 1537	Posted - 2014.10.02 18:07:00 - [42] - Quote Haerr wrote: Yupp, a respec has already been confirmed in the shape of Legion. Wether or not we get one in the mean time matters very little to me. Maken Tosch wrote: -snip- There you have it. Something(s) has or will be changed. He didn't say what those changes are going to be so don't get your hopes up too high for a respec system in Legion. -snip- Cool, but what I meant was that when we transfer our characters to Legion (if/when etc.) they're likely going to give us a lump sum of SP. If there is a respec system in Legion; cool. If there is no respec systen in Legion; cool. If they transfer our skill trees from Dust into Legion; uncool. tl;dr: SP transfer from Dust into Legion in the form of unallocated SP ~ respec Maken Tosch wrote: PS: I have +1'ed your replies not because I agree with you but because I wanted to bring this to your attention. Thank you! +1 Edit: CCP Logibro wrote: This one I can tackle right now. SP, not skills would transfer (doing it by skills would be silly).
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD 264	Posted - 2014.10.02 18:11:00 - [43] - Quote People cry for a Respec every update/hotfix. when will you understand that you need to spec into a suit to use it to its full effect. you people just unlock it because its FOTM. Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault Adapt or Die!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9624	Posted - 2014.10.02 18:45:00 - [44] - Quote Haerr wrote: Haerr wrote: Yupp, a respec has already been confirmed in the shape of Legion. Wether or not we get one in the mean time matters very little to me. Maken Tosch wrote: -snip- There you have it. Something(s) has or will be changed. He didn't say what those changes are going to be so don't get your hopes up too high for a respec system in Legion. -snip- Cool, but what I meant was that when we transfer our characters to Legion (if/when etc.) they're likely going to give us a lump sum of SP. If there is a respec system in Legion; cool. If there is no respec systen in Legion; cool. If they transfer our skill trees from Dust into Legion; uncool. tl;dr: SP transfer from Dust into Legion in the form of unallocated SP ~ respec Maken Tosch wrote: PS: I have +1'ed your replies not because I agree with you but because I wanted to bring this to your attention. Thank you! +1 Edit: CCP Logibro wrote: This one I can tackle right now. SP, not skills would transfer (doing it by skills would be silly). Considering that CCP Z, in that 30+ page thread I linked, said that the skill progression in Legion will be vastly different than that of Dust, it is extremely unlikely and improbable that our skill trees will transfer given the magnitude of the changes that he was referring to. So you are safely correct to assume that our SP will transfer over. However, I need to point out something. Given the fact that CCP Z wants to streamline our progression for Legion, it's also unlikely that our current SP in Dust will transfer over in the same 1:1 ratio to Legion. Remember that our current skill tree in Dust is estimated by CCP to take approximately 5-7 years to completely train up and that's only for the skills we have available now. But there is the skill book multiplier to account for. The skills in Legion for Dropsuits (for example) might be more streamlined but invariably end up with higher multipliers or we might see more skills for dropsuits but with lower multipliers. Depending on how it goes we might see either a negative transfer ratio of our SP from Dust to Legion such as 1.1:1 or 1.5:1 something to that effect, or a neutral transfer ratio of 1:1. I'm just letting you know. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9624	Posted - 2014.10.02 18:46:00 - [45] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: People cry for a Respec every update/hotfix. when will you understand that you need to spec into a suit to use it to its full effect. you people just unlock it because its FOTM. And we all know what happens to Flavor of the Months. They get the nerf bat. That Bolt Pistol seems like a likely target right now. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Marc Rime 408	Posted - 2014.10.02 21:02:00 - [46] - Quote They've caved in before - could happen again. To up your chances you might want to claim they've somehow lied to you and demands refunds on merc packs, or that they forced you to spec into something and its unfair for you to get punished for it now. Don't worry if the claims don't make sense, it's not a requirement. ;)


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