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Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 365	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:14:00 - [1] - Quote To reduce the range that you can throw those to 1m. You drop those then allmost at your own feet, its enough of a range to still plant them on vehicles if you get close enough and they would be used properly as a defensive tool rather then just run with a scout, jump and throw the thing at some 1. There are even instances where people could throw them over cover to kill the guy behind it. Reducing the throwing range on those is probs the best way to prevent them beeing missused. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3173	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:24:00 - [2] - Quote You seem to be confusing res with drop up links and nanohives. I have yet to see a field of res that not only take away any tactics of using the equipment but also create massive lag. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 365	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:28:00 - [3] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: You seem to be confusing res with drop up links and nanohives. I have yet to see a field of res that not only take away any tactics of using the equipment but also create massive lag. No my point is that RE's are missused as offensive tools rather then for defensive purpose. You should not be capable to run, jump and throw those things over ridicoulus distances. Their purpose is for defensive play and not bombing the living hell out of the opposition. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 973	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:38:00 - [4] - Quote all noobscouts use REs as grenades, this is VERY BAD. check my sig pls. thanxx. Please support fair play!
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2167	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:57:00 - [5] - Quote Stay aware of your surroundings, you have no one to blame besides yourself if you get RE'd. Viable tool for clearing the field of morons, working as intended. The Universe is hostile, so impersonal Devour to survive So it is, so it's always been....
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5400	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:59:00 - [6] - Quote It's already hard to get 'em to stick on moving vehicles. Try it. Very few tankers sit still for you after the 1st RE is placed. Edit: It now takes 2 to core locus grenades to pop any well-fit MedFrame; 3 to pop a Heavy. REs are used as grenades because grenades are ineffective. Treat the cause, not the symptoms. The best way to fix RE-as-grenade use is to make grenades effective. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Banjo Robertson Evzones Public.Disorder. 277	Posted - 2014.10.01 15:00:00 - [7] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: To reduce the range that you can throw those to 1m. You drop those then allmost at your own feet, its enough of a range to still plant them on vehicles if you get close enough and they would be used properly as a defensive tool rather then just run with a scout, jump and throw the thing at some 1. There are even instances where people could throw them over cover to kill the guy behind it. Reducing the throwing range on those is probs the best way to prevent them beeing missused. The best way to stop RE spam, and RE use in general, is make their scan profile so big everyone can see them on radar.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4539	Posted - 2014.10.01 15:21:00 - [8] - Quote The best way is to kill the RE user in the few seconds you have before the RE is detonated, moving out of its range in the meantime. There are too many counters for REs for them to truly be spam. Its just that some people are lazy and don't want to adapt. You can always tell a Millford Minja
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3175	Posted - 2014.10.01 16:50:00 - [9] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: You seem to be confusing res with drop up links and nanohives. I have yet to see a field of res that not only take away any tactics of using the equipment but also create massive lag. No my point is that RE's are missused as offensive tools rather then for defensive purpose. You should not be capable to run, jump and throw those things over ridicoulus distances. Their purpose is for defensive play and not bombing the living hell out of the opposition. I understand your point but I would much rather ccp fix the issues with nanohives and drop up links first. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Mobius Kaethis molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 1919	Posted - 2014.10.01 16:53:00 - [10] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: You seem to be confusing res with drop up links and nanohives. I have yet to see a field of res that not only take away any tactics of using the equipment but also create massive lag. No my point is that RE's are missused as offensive tools rather then for defensive purpose. You should not be capable to run, jump and throw those things over ridicoulus distances. Their purpose is for defensive play and not bombing the living hell out of the opposition. I understand your point but I would much rather ccp fix the issues with nanohives and drop up links first. What issues with DU and hives? Now with more evil.

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2888	Posted - 2014.10.01 16:59:00 - [11] - Quote The best way to stop RE spam is to reduce heavy spam and uplink spam on everything above the terrain level. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 973	Posted - 2014.10.01 17:19:00 - [12] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The best way to stop RE spam is to reduce heavy spam and uplink spam on everything above the terrain level. solution 4 uplink spam: suit destroyed (changed) = all equipment launched from this suit DOWN. solution 4 heavy spam: only 2 heavy per squad restriction, as vehicle onto ambush. Damn, RE's is a different problem!!!! Please support fair play!
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4543	Posted - 2014.10.01 17:26:00 - [13] - Quote John Psi wrote: shaman oga wrote: The best way to stop RE spam is to reduce heavy spam and uplink spam on everything above the terrain level. solution 4 uplink spam: suit destroyed (changed) = all equipment launched from this suit DOWN. solution 4 heavy spam: only 2 heavy per squad restriction, as vehicle onto ambush. Damn, RE's is a different problem!!!! If uplinks disappeared when someone died, you would only encourage AFK when someone has uplinks around because they would be pointless otherwise. REs aren't a problem. They don't frequently show up in the kill feed disproportionately to other death dealers. The bleedout detonation was a real issue, but that is gone, and std and advanced REs got their detonation timers increased. They are in a good spot, they have counters that all mercs are able to engage in. You can always tell a Millford Minja
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2890	Posted - 2014.10.01 17:30:00 - [14] - Quote John Psi wrote: shaman oga wrote: The best way to stop RE spam is to reduce heavy spam and uplink spam on everything above the terrain level. solution 4 uplink spam: suit destroyed (changed) = all equipment launched from this suit DOWN. solution 4 heavy spam: only 2 heavy per squad restriction, as vehicle onto ambush. Damn, RE's is a different problem!!!! Limit heavy would be too harsh, but limit the time before you can switch armor to a supply depot would be a thing. Uplink spam is different, but i agree, there must be a limit to the number of links a single player can place. RE are a different thing, but i feel i'm forced to use them everytime big groups of people are camping in a place. I rarely get a single kill when i rush inside camped zones while i get single kills when i place traps. If you get more than one kill with a single RE, imo you are using a legit tactic, because it means that your enemy was camping. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1855	Posted - 2014.10.01 18:01:00 - [15] - Quote Allow RE to show up on passive scans. In order to keep them having a tactical use, have it low enough that only people with scan fits can detect them (ie: scout ako) Allows them to be detected even while they are airborne, but they still have their use for defending objectives. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 974	Posted - 2014.10.01 18:05:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: If uplinks disappeared when someone died, you would only encourage AFK when someone has uplinks around because they would be pointless otherwise. Sry, but NO. What is more evil: 1. 1-2 nooboblueberry, who sit on MCC? 2. 1-2 smart guy, who pelted all, ALL around by equipment? In addition, in the long run we are talking about a team game where all the AFKers just got squadkick. And YES GOD DAMN, i must make another video showing no delay on RE's. Please support fair play!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4450	Posted - 2014.10.01 18:35:00 - [17] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: To reduce the range that you can throw those to 1m. You drop those then allmost at your own feet, its enough of a range to still plant them on vehicles if you get close enough and they would be used properly as a defensive tool rather then just run with a scout, jump and throw the thing at some 1. There are even instances where people could throw them over cover to kill the guy behind it. Reducing the throwing range on those is probs the best way to prevent them beeing missused. I have only actually seen a RE thrown an excessive distance by a Scout once. He threw it close to 20m. There may have been other occasions where this was done to me and I simply did not see it. I donGÇÖt count throwing REGÇÖs down stairs or off of buildings to be excessive. Only the Sprint/jump/throw which can toss the RE like a grenade seems excessive to me, but as I said, I have only actually seen that done once. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2168	Posted - 2014.10.01 21:02:00 - [18] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: To reduce the range that you can throw those to 1m. You drop those then allmost at your own feet, its enough of a range to still plant them on vehicles if you get close enough and they would be used properly as a defensive tool rather then just run with a scout, jump and throw the thing at some 1. There are even instances where people could throw them over cover to kill the guy behind it. Reducing the throwing range on those is probs the best way to prevent them beeing missused. I have only actually seen a RE thrown an excessive distance by a Scout once. He threw it close to 20m. There may have been other occasions where this was done to me and I simply did not see it. I donGÇÖt count throwing REGÇÖs down stairs or off of buildings to be excessive. Only the Sprint/jump/throw which can toss the RE like a grenade seems excessive to me, but as I said, I have only actually seen that done once. If they need to sprint and jump so they can throw the RE like a grenade, then I see no problem whatsoever. Seriously, people act like REs can be thrown like baseballs. The Universe is hostile, so impersonal Devour to survive So it is, so it's always been....
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 641	Posted - 2014.10.01 21:30:00 - [19] - Quote The best way to stop RE spam is to perma-ban every butthurt whiner who mentions this made-up issue.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 974	Posted - 2014.10.02 00:44:00 - [20] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: The best way to stop RE spam is to perma-ban every butthurt whiner who mentions this made-up issue. Nice solution. Keep doing it, we need another one COD! Please support fair play!

tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 128	Posted - 2014.10.02 02:21:00 - [21] - Quote This just proves that the gallente are dumb as bricks... GALLENTE! YOU WILL PAY FOR BRAINWASHING ME!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3181	Posted - 2014.10.02 03:12:00 - [22] - Quote tander09 wrote: This just proves that the gallente are dumb as bricks... supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 128	Posted - 2014.10.02 04:27:00 - [23] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: tander09 wrote: This just proves that the gallente are dumb as bricks... SOME gallente are dumb, but you are not. GALLENTE! YOU WILL PAY FOR BRAINWASHING ME!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 99	Posted - 2014.10.02 04:37:00 - [24] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: You seem to be confusing res with drop up links and nanohives. I have yet to see a field of res that not only take away any tactics of using the equipment but also create massive lag. No my point is that RE's are missused as offensive tools rather then for defensive purpose. You should not be capable to run, jump and throw those things over ridicoulus distances. Their purpose is for defensive play and not bombing the living hell out of the opposition. If your in a group then re's arw needed by a scout to dispatch your group, and if you wana talk bs mechanics how about a heavy with a hmg being able to shoot over something his gun is lower than.
iKILLu osborne ripley's believe it or die 353	Posted - 2014.10.02 04:50:00 - [25] - Quote situational awareness? flux grenades? scanner? eyesight? hearing equipment drop? shooting them? nope none of these are solutions apparently, so we need to nerf re's to the point of where they're unusable. lp cal scout i demand it
Vesperz Inner.Hell 116	Posted - 2014.10.02 05:45:00 - [26] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: situational awareness? flux grenades? scanner? eyesight? hearing equipment drop? shooting them? nope none of these are solutions apparently, so we need to nerf re's to the point of where they're unusable. Mass Drivers, as well as regular grenades work just as well. Live by honor, kill by stealth.
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 690	Posted - 2014.10.02 06:37:00 - [27] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: situational awareness? flux grenades? scanner? eyesight? hearing equipment drop? shooting them? nope none of these are solutions apparently, so we need to nerf re's to the point of where they're unusable. Situational awareness is good for all things, not just R/Es. The biggest problem I see with thrown R/Es is that they teleport after they land. Flux grenades are something that I carry on all my suits, meant for erasing shields or clearing equipment of deployable nature of any sort. Scanners work on R/Es already placed. Someone throwing it won't be picked up until it's armed which by that point it too late. Unless you killed the R/E thrower. Eyesight is great too. Unless they are sitting underneath the null cannon. Which brings you back to scanners? So everyone should run scanners all the time? Which brings you back to flux grenades? What happens when I run out? I don't have a nanohive because I run a scanner. Supply depot which might be blown up might resupply me. But if I'm a blueberry, now you are yelling at me to hack a point. Hearing equipment drop? Where? <- Sometimes the sound bugs out and the equipment deployment sound isn't played. I lost a tank earlier because 3 remotes were placed on my tank as I was patrolling and got blown up, even though I was listening intently for them. It's a shame I don't have a capture card because this bug happens to me all the time. Shooting them? Yeah let's shoot those R/Es underneath the null cannon, oh wait... I'm not opposed to the mechanics or how they are even used in the game, I'm frustrated beyond belief that the game's coding fails and improperly tells where they are (teleporting thrown R/Es), get improperly placed (under null cannons), or the game fails to let me know (no sound effect played). As there will no longer be any proper programming or coding of the core essentials of the game, I'd like to see a tweak done to remotes that will allow them to be better properly countered. Possible solution 1: Allow passive scans to scan remote explosives. Change scan profile of remotes to 40. Doing so will not allow Heavies and Assaults to pick them up. Scout will pick them up and Logistics to pick them up only if they are maxed out in Precision Enhancement. But having them across the board might not be good so... Possible solution 2: Allow passive scans. Change scan profile to 46 for standard, 36 for advanced, 28 for proto. Matches up in direct comparison to active scanners (or at least they are supposed to. I forget the exact number for advanced). However, scouts scan easily become the go to suit for countering any and all remotes. The downside of this is scouts might become the only suit you'll ever see in matches every again. Theoretically. Alternatively, we could... Possible solution 3: Allow passive scans. Leave scan profiles of remotes. Which is like 100 or something, meaning all suits will be able to detect it once they are in range. While this is great for infantry and being able to counter remote-throwing, this renders any element of surprise useless and I believe this nerf to unsuitableness you were talking about. Anyways, my 2 isk. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 673	Posted - 2014.10.02 07:46:00 - [28] - Quote I wish I had QQ that I could deploy and detonate from a safe distance Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 643	Posted - 2014.10.02 07:47:00 - [29] - Quote Putting REs on passive scans in any capacity completely gimps them as traps.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1859	Posted - 2014.10.02 11:12:00 - [30] - Quote Limit RE throws to 1m. But give them some magnetism to vehicles like AV grenades have, allowing them to still be stuck to tanks without standing on top of it. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me



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