I may just not give up on the Python after all, Darth. Thank you for reminding me of the freedom of the sky, rather than the shackles of the land.

I wish Judge were here.

@Soraya: Only OP thing I saw was the skill stacking Python, which as a pilot pre-Delta I found abhorrent and abusive.

It's not like they pulled AV on him, except for one MLT swarm at the supply depot. Even a 0 SP Soma can produce results like that if there's no AV. You want to nerf 0 SP Somas too? While you're at it, you should make all swarm launchers fire null cannon missiles.

Oh wait, that would still require using an AV weapon to fight a vehicle. Make all the rifles fire null cannon missiles instead.

Keep flying, Cam! Dropships are not useless, despite what some may tell you. With the proper amount of skill and teamwork we are still lethal.

Look at all the OP. Look at it!

(Fair note: Darth is actually an incredible beast no matter what weapon he is wielding.)

@Soraya: Only OP thing I saw was the skill stacking Python, which as a pilot pre-Delta I found abhorrent and abusive.

It's not like they pulled AV on him, except for one MLT swarm at the supply depot. Even a 0 SP Soma can produce results like that if there's no AV. You want to nerf 0 SP Somas too? While you're at it, you should make all swarm launchers fire null cannon missiles.

Oh wait, that would still require using an AV weapon to fight a vehicle. Make all the rifles fire null cannon missiles instead.

Keep flying my brother! Never give up the struggle! Even though we have been savagely beaten by the CCPolice, I will still push through and fight with my baby Laira!

Are we ever going to deal with the absolutely insane and stupid collision mechanic with dropships? I am seriously fed up of getting into a fight in my Python VS an Incubus only for them to slam on their AB and charge into me giving no pre warning, they crash into my flimsy python, I die of course and they continue on like nothing ever happened.

As it stands the Armour dropships always have the upper hand as they can always get more hitpoints than us shield dropships.

The ramming NEEDS to be fixed. However I will say that because of the huge RoF nerfs it is near impossible for any ADS to kill another ADS in the skies, unless one pilot is really bad. Like really bad doesn't even move bad.

I'm all for balance changes to make ADS fair but lets not overlook fairness for the pilots.

I watched a PC battle on Youtube from Espeon's perspective and it made me feel like the worst video game player in history.

ADS pilots are my heroes.

QQing about ADS being OP is probably the #1 sign that you are a hopeless scrub.

Honest question.

Do people really feel that ADSs are underpowered, or are you pushing a personal agenda?

Honest question.

Do people really feel that ADSs are underpowered, or are you pushing a personal agenda?

Ah man. I clicked on this thread for the tears. And there ain't none. Bummer. Moving along...

Buff us, Nerf us. Hate us, Love us. Shoot us, Fly with us. You will never take our love!


All footage pre-Charlie. Just something to demonstrate where we were, and where we can hopefully get closer to. Unite fellow pilots!

Honest answer. It entirely depends who you're talking to.

My opinion, it will take a bit of... how shall we say, time to explain.

The rail incubus got it in the butt... hard. I can say nothing more on that.

My next issue is this, the rocket incubus is still better than the python, here's why:

The rockets has a raw ROF of 1.20 seconds, let's take a look at what that is on the python:

Python Rof: 1.20-.18=1.08
incubus ROF: 1.20

It has a minimal ROF difference for the SP cost of a proto suit.

Next issue, despite being more resistant to most meta forms of AV, Python is still vastly outclassed by incubus:

You'll have to look at the below fits to see what I'm talking about.
My incubus fit
My python fit, I call her Laira

As it is right now, the incubus can fit all proto modules on low and high with level 4 armor optimization. You'll have to take into account protofits hasn't yet put the reduced PG/CPU of the turrets, which is why I put points into optimization, which aren't needed at all.

My issue is that no matter what I do, I cannot fit all proto modules on my python. No amount of fitting optimizations or vehicle shield optimization will help. Admittedly, I have shield OP at 3, but I didn't need more than 2.

Next issue at hand, despite the python being resistant to most forms of meta AV, the tank on the incubus more than makes up for it.

The regen on the incubus is instant, where on the python I have to wait a few seconds to get the regen kicking, admittedly it is more per second, but that 3-7 seconds my python is out of shields, she's screwed if a sniper shoots my unshielded hull (yes, light weaponry has full effect on shield ADS armor). the incubus does not have this issue.

An incubus may be slower, but by sinking SP into that skill that lowers the weight of plates (I don't remember the name), it can be lowered to 5%, which on an ADS is negligible.

My other issue is collision damage. We all know incubus can fly into walls without a problem sometimes, but do that crap with a python and you'll be singing "the roof is on fire" pretty quick. Especially on that God forsaken Gallente research facility, the collision is completely ridiculous on that map.

So my honest question to you is this. If you were a diehard pilot, which makes more sense to fly?

I still fly the python out of principle, but I think the evidence speaks for itself.

My honest answer to your above is this, I do have a personal agenda on this, but I do believe it is a well founded personal agenda.

Need input: how are dropships (Python) now ?

Haven't played since pretty much Charlie. (2 games precisely)

Atiim, show me where I said dropships are underpowered. Please.

Most rational people don't think dropships are weak right now, although the Incubus is very debatable. I can understand the confusion though. Most "Dropship" threads are filled with nothing but hateful vitriol, both for and against the nerf.

Basically, I'm not sure whether you're asking me a legitimate question to satisfy your desire to understand the thought process of forum warriors, or for some other reason. Maybe personal agendas are alive and well on both sides of the debate?