DUST Search - For The Love of Dropships!

Derrith Erador wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Honest question.

Do people really feel that ADSs are underpowered, or are you pushing a personal agenda?

Honest answer. It entirely depends who you're talking to.

My opinion, it will take a bit of... how shall we say, time to explain.

The rail incubus got it in the butt... hard. I can say nothing more on that.

My next issue is this, the rocket incubus is still better than the python, here's why:

The rockets has a raw ROF of 1.20 seconds, let's take a look at what that is on the python:

Python Rof: 1.20-.18=1.08
incubus ROF: 1.20

It has a minimal ROF difference for the SP cost of a proto suit.

Next issue, despite being more resistant to most meta forms of AV, Python is still vastly outclassed by incubus:

You'll have to look at the below fits to see what I'm talking about.
My incubus fit
My python fit, I call her Laira

As it is right now, the incubus can fit all proto modules on low and high with level 4 armor optimization. You'll have to take into account protofits hasn't yet put the reduced PG/CPU of the turrets, which is why I put points into optimization, which aren't needed at all.

My issue is that no matter what I do, I cannot fit all proto modules on my python. No amount of fitting optimizations or vehicle shield optimization will help. Admittedly, I have shield OP at 3, but I didn't need more than 2.

Next issue at hand, despite the python being resistant to most forms of meta AV, the tank on the incubus more than makes up for it.

The regen on the incubus is instant, where on the python I have to wait a few seconds to get the regen kicking, admittedly it is more per second, but that 3-7 seconds my python is out of shields, she's screwed if a sniper shoots my unshielded hull (yes, light weaponry has full effect on shield ADS armor). the incubus does not have this issue.

An incubus may be slower, but by sinking SP into that skill that lowers the weight of plates (I don't remember the name), it can be lowered to 5%, which on an ADS is negligible.

My other issue is collision damage. We all know incubus can fly into walls without a problem sometimes, but do that crap with a python and you'll be singing "the roof is on fire" pretty quick. Especially on that God forsaken Gallente research facility, the collision is completely ridiculous on that map.

So my honest question to you is this. If you were a diehard pilot, which makes more sense to fly?

I still fly the python out of principle, but I think the evidence speaks for itself.

My honest answer to your above is this, I do have a personal agenda on this, but I do believe it is a well founded personal agenda.

"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro"


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CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1819	Posted - 2014.09.30 08:22:00 - [1] - Quote Are we ever going to deal with the absolutely insane and stupid collision mechanic with dropships? I am seriously fed up of getting into a fight in my Python VS an Incubus only for them to slam on their AB and charge into me giving no pre warning, they crash into my flimsy python, I die of course and they continue on like nothing ever happened. As it stands the Armour dropships always have the upper hand as they can always get more hitpoints than us shield dropships. The ramming NEEDS to be fixed. However I will say that because of the huge RoF nerfs it is near impossible for any ADS to kill another ADS in the skies, unless one pilot is really bad. Like really bad doesn't even move bad. I'm all for balance changes to make ADS fair but lets not overlook fairness for the pilots. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1858	Posted - 2014.10.02 21:31:00 - [2] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Buff us, Nerf us. Hate us, Love us. Shoot us, Fly with us. You will never take our love! All footage pre-Charlie. Just something to demonstrate where we were, and where we can hopefully get closer to. Unite fellow pilots! Watching that video makes me sad that I never got to try out the new small blasters with 50% Incubus bonus to RoF o7 Dropships of olde. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1858	Posted - 2014.10.02 21:35:00 - [3] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Atiim wrote: Honest question. Do people really feel that ADSs are underpowered, or are you pushing a personal agenda? Honest answer. It entirely depends who you're talking to. My opinion, it will take a bit of... how shall we say, time to explain. The rail incubus got it in the butt... hard. I can say nothing more on that. My next issue is this, the rocket incubus is still better than the python, here's why: The rockets has a raw ROF of 1.20 seconds, let's take a look at what that is on the python: Python Rof: 1.20-.18=1.08 incubus ROF: 1.20 It has a minimal ROF difference for the SP cost of a proto suit. Next issue, despite being more resistant to most meta forms of AV, Python is still vastly outclassed by incubus: You'll have to look at the below fits to see what I'm talking about. My incubus fit My python fit, I call her Laira As it is right now, the incubus can fit all proto modules on low and high with level 4 armor optimization. You'll have to take into account protofits hasn't yet put the reduced PG/CPU of the turrets, which is why I put points into optimization, which aren't needed at all. My issue is that no matter what I do, I cannot fit all proto modules on my python. No amount of fitting optimizations or vehicle shield optimization will help. Admittedly, I have shield OP at 3, but I didn't need more than 2. Next issue at hand, despite the python being resistant to most forms of meta AV, the tank on the incubus more than makes up for it. The regen on the incubus is instant, where on the python I have to wait a few seconds to get the regen kicking, admittedly it is more per second, but that 3-7 seconds my python is out of shields, she's screwed if a sniper shoots my unshielded hull (yes, light weaponry has full effect on shield ADS armor). the incubus does not have this issue. An incubus may be slower, but by sinking SP into that skill that lowers the weight of plates (I don't remember the name), it can be lowered to 5%, which on an ADS is negligible. My other issue is collision damage. We all know incubus can fly into walls without a problem sometimes, but do that crap with a python and you'll be singing "the roof is on fire" pretty quick. Especially on that God forsaken Gallente research facility, the collision is completely ridiculous on that map. So my honest question to you is this. If you were a diehard pilot, which makes more sense to fly? I still fly the python out of principle, but I think the evidence speaks for itself. My honest answer to your above is this, I do have a personal agenda on this, but I do believe it is a well founded personal agenda. I can't give you enough likes. And how does a respectable Amarrian like yourself travel in anything other than the Caldari's finest? Don't touch that Gallente filth .... /rpmode :S "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!