inb4 Soraya

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If there's ADSes on the field, I can easily lose 3-5 equally expensive proto suits in a match to them. o.O

Unless you come in with your starter AV fit and shoot 3 volleys at them with a militia swarms. Oh, it will work, we cant actually get away from you anymore.

and I am loosing 3-5 pythons a match to swarms. And I am supposed to be called an average ADS pilot, even a good pilot by some.

I must say my problem is not necessarily the RoF, Im kind of ok with it as it is though there is no chance for me to kill vehicles. My problem is how vulnerable the ship is. I always get hit with 3 volleys from a swarm now unless I am already on on the move when the first one hits me, they are taking half my shield every hit so if I ccome across a proto AV or an advanced+ commando I stand "almost" no chance. I cannot even imagine what the incubus pilots are going through right now
The "almost" means that I am sometimes able to hit all 3 hits on that commando and he actually dies before he can hit me the third time. If he has company its impossible.

If I get hit with my afterburner on cooldown(not even hovering) I am dead already and could just abandon the ship right then. I will never be able to fit more than a basic AB because of how ridiculus it is to fit on PG so I will always have to wait at least 33,75 sec (45x0.75=33,75)

The rotation speed of swarm missiles went down from 90 to 80. I am really sorry to say but I notice no difference at all, absolutely none. They still follow me around buildings, I can not turn away from them(if I do it just takes them 0.1 sec longer to catch up to me)


I gonna get **** on for this but..
To be absolutely honest and even my minmando friends agree with me(I am one to btw). The swarm didnt need a speed buff. It was really powerful before, it didnt deny all airspace like it does now but it was good for keeping dropships away and very often did the last punch to them. The forge guns already exists so whenever a dropship runs away really hurt by swarms gets gunned down by the forge. or 2 swarmers would gang up on an ADS and take it down with ease. Not all weapons have to have the exact same role.

I think ADSs should at least have some shot of escaping. On the graphs rattati showed us it shows that you can run away only getting hit by 2 volleys going from hovering mode. He doesnt count in that you need at least 1,5 sec recover from the impact the first volley punches.

I am ok with the python as it is, its not to powerful, it is a threat to infantry still but not to big though. Its a descent threat for shield tanks and almost no threat to armor tanks (annoying f*cking flies taking down my shield!)
The swarm is OP AS FUQ is what I say and will not take it back.

It sounds to me like you are trying to go head on with swarmers.

So don't fly in pieces of paper. But I think increasing the lock on time for swarm would solve this horseshit. Swarm are the most idiot proof weapons since all it takes is instant lock and and fire. Amazing how the easiest weapons to use do 3500 damage a volley.

Real men hull tank, but hull tanking in DUST would be a bad idea.

They're actually a pain to use. Because their lock range is incredibly short (a peeve of mine) and they fail to hit often because the ADS can move behind buildings and such. Meanwhile, forge guns have a much greater range, pinpoint accuracy (almost as good as a sniper), and near instant speed that makes them incredibly effective.

I havent been back on my ADS pilot since the changes, but I am going to pre-emptively say that they got nerfed too hard from what I have seen so far.

They needed changes for sure, I welcomed the balance with the small decrease of cost. I think they might have gone overboard on the swarms, if you want dropships to have to dodge then missiles need to turn much slower than '80'.

Hey yea but Soraya, thats the trade off associated with using a forge. You are commited to a heavy suit. Swarms can be used on any suit. You could chose to be fast and nimble with a scout swarmer, you could be a commando, you could be a cheap dmg mod stacked medium frame etc....

You cant have the swarms be on par with the forge. Light AV vs Heavy AV

An assault suit isn't much faster when you're trying to chase down a vehicle, trust me, especially with the pitiful lock range of a swarm launcher. And the extra tank on a heavy suit is nice since you're probably going to get shot at by overpowered vehicles. Not really a trade off. And forge guns are always more effective than swarms. (At least, pre-Delta. Haven't tried Delta yet.)

Swarms were so useless in Hotfix Charlie, they should've been a sidearm. (I actually suggested this, rather than buffing them. Nobody went for it though. It was probably a good decision not to, but sixteen swarms on a team would've been fun.)

Swarms were so useless in Hotfix Charlie, they should've been a sidearm. (I actually suggested this, rather than buffing them. Nobody went for it though. It was probably a good decision not to, but sixteen swarms on a team would've been fun.)

My swarms are Wiyrkomi with Proficiency... IV, I believe, and some damage mods. And I stopped being able to kill derpships with it months ago.