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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16538	Posted - 2014.09.23 19:04:00 - [1] - Quote I so wanted to do another 101 bullets during the lull in activity patiently waiting for the developers to do real work. But this won out. This series of Dust 2.0 I will explore what it means to be in an open explore world set in new eden and as an immortal clone soldier. I hope this doesn't get kidnapped by a dev unlike last time. So please no direct tweeting to specific developers. (cough* Kagehoshi) I am getting started and have little to show for it but you can track the beginnings of my thoughts behind it here Dust 2.0 Opening the World Unspecified Subchapters will be needed to cover a variety of topics My Previous Dust 514 2.0 series can be seen in a collection of links below here and you can read up on these while waiting for the latest series to start to get interesting.The previous series covered the NPE portion. Dust 514 2.0 Movement Tutorial Dust 2.0 Combat Tutorial Dust 2.0 Death and Rebirth Dust 2.0 Living Space Dust 2.0 Academy Days [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/12U3zUG5dkgiy_xRogwmUclFnA9xrmfJRMcdf8Hhh88w/edit#heading=h.qzqlzbvb25tt]Dust 2.0 NPE Wrap Up Feel free to comment on anything; just note I cannot be arsed to edit the first series as I focus on the next one. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Travis Stanush Haus of Triage 192	Posted - 2014.09.23 19:10:00 - [2] - Quote You Working on it right now? If you are I gotta admit seeing the thought processbieng put on paper is cool No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16538	Posted - 2014.09.23 19:19:00 - [3] - Quote Travis Stanush wrote: You Working on it right now? If you are I gotta admit seeing the thought processbieng put on paper is cool Opening the world is currently being worked on right now just getting references together on how environments should look. This will be image heavy. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Travis Stanush Haus of Triage 192	Posted - 2014.09.23 19:22:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Travis Stanush wrote: You Working on it right now? If you are I gotta admit seeing the thought processbieng put on paper is cool Opening the world is currently being worked on right now just getting references together on how environments should look. This will be image heavy. Nice I am on my phone at work currently but, when I get off I will be more than glad to give some input. No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3556	Posted - 2014.09.23 22:59:00 - [5] - Quote I did this planet types document like over a year ago: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dHnJW69fNZImNynEQJR7kIQetLpLtOa5xkihcRAp7WY/edit Nobody read it. :'( There's some ideas I like in IWS' version, some I don't. I've got additional thoughts too. If I wasn't busy tonight, I'd sit down with IWS and argue about it for a few hours for funsies. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16815	Posted - 2014.09.27 11:26:00 - [6] - Quote going through and doing another pass on the planetary overview chapter its going to be big. I am going to get the text down and done first before getting pretty pictures in. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 210	Posted - 2014.09.27 14:03:00 - [7] - Quote Make it happen :D MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16836	Posted - 2014.09.27 20:53:00 - [8] - Quote Added Stations as a 'planet' Rearranging stats to be more layers and organized. Added Taiga picture. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16845	Posted - 2014.09.28 01:28:00 - [9] - Quote and done for the night got to think things further through again. Added a variety of locals to stations Added clarification about civilians not being present. We already slaughter quite a few to many these days anyways. More formatting and unification and clarification. Pass 2 Completed on Temperate Planets. Changed the Plasma Planet Trait to Ionized, new focus is to make the game more "SWAT" like. This makes operating on Plasma Planets far more dangerous as TTK is increased and sensors are blinded heavily and modules are much less effective complete with localized hazards. Added a cloud city as a local to gas planets. Added Strip Mine Mutator to Tigia Local. Added Volcanic Island and Reef mutators to Tropics Local. Contemplating a less lore written out list of modifiers in paragraph form vs bullet list. Will decide by tomorrow. Moved Seasons mutator to Temperate Planet level instead. Considering making a list of universal mutators (night and day will be one example) and wormhole effects. Beginnings of Chapter 2 "Planetary Construction" are coming together will begin on that Chapter 1 is a long haul project and wont be done anytime soon. This chapter will cover how a planet is laid out for open world using the parts and pieces from chapter 1. Chapter 3 will explore how you as a mercenary gets from his merc quarters to down on the surface in open world mode. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Atiim 12566	Posted - 2014.09.28 03:39:00 - [10] - Quote This is amazing. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 41	Posted - 2014.09.28 03:58:00 - [11] - Quote I went through all of the work brother and it seems that you are on the right track, but this is for Legion right. It is great stuff but pipe dreams and fairy tales are not what we are looking for. to make it quite simple. There are two things that DUST 514 has going for it. 1) Unlike BF4 and COD and 2) A different game experience then most first perosn shooters out there. But you guys are missing alot of thigns here. Like for instance: TEAM DEPLOY. Like really. I agree that a six man squad is good and it keeps people tight, but come on. We know that the only reason why DUST is still going is because of the PS community. We will play by ourselves for a bit but when it come to working as a team it is the mist exciting feeling and as close as you can get to the real thing there is. Mann. Planetside 2 will make this game obsolete due to the fact that it has that element of putting massive amounts of people on the same map and everyone working together to complete an objective. Now thats a game. DUST still can be good but certain elements such as team deploy and alllowing more then 16 guys on one map needs to be implemented in order for DUST to continue to be the game that people would like it to be. If not. It will die just like MAG did. **COMMS OUT** I am the DUST
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16854	Posted - 2014.09.28 08:25:00 - [12] - Quote BIGRED 4UALL wrote: I went through all of the work brother and it seems that you are on the right track, but this is for Legion right. It is great stuff but pipe dreams and fairy tales are not what we are looking for. to make it quite simple. There are two things that DUST 514 has going for it. 1) Unlike BF4 and COD and 2) A different game experience then most first perosn shooters out there. But you guys are missing alot of thigns here. Like for instance: TEAM DEPLOY. Like really. I agree that a six man squad is good and it keeps people tight, but come on. We know that the only reason why DUST is still going is because of the PS community. We will play by ourselves for a bit but when it come to working as a team it is the mist exciting feeling and as close as you can get to the real thing there is. Mann. Planetside 2 will make this game obsolete due to the fact that it has that element of putting massive amounts of people on the same map and everyone working together to complete an objective. Now thats a game. DUST still can be good but certain elements such as team deploy and alllowing more then 16 guys on one map needs to be implemented in order for DUST to continue to be the game that people would like it to be. If not. It will die just like MAG did. **COMMS OUT** This is not for Legion This is for larger design aspects Dust 514 missed out on. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16867	Posted - 2014.09.28 15:17:00 - [13] - Quote Did a quick few things but need to restart computer. Incorporated a few comment suggestions - Thank you for commenting. Changed references of intraplanetary assets to interlocal instead. This is reference of support gained from nearby locals such as artillery strikes and drone launches. Added Target Range mutator the Taiga Local on Temperate Planets; this nullified orbital and interlocal bans Taiga normally enjoy. Added Flooded Farmlands mutator to Plains Local on Temperate Planets; inspired by a WW2 scenario. Clarified an Effect on combat in the Plains Local on Temperate Planets; declaring it an un ideal situation for aircraft due to near total lack of air cover. Gave Temperate Planet's 'Blue Skies' Terraforming Mutator. Further explained Temperate Planet's ability to just about host every other planet's local including stations. Added additional rules to the hierarchy of rule sets, typically it is System > Local > Planet in layering and cancellation unless Planet rule is listed as a terraformer. Added Temperate Local Exemption List, a List of locals that will not be found on Temperate Planets. Added Starbase and like structures to Station Locals Added Station Trait "In Space..." and the nuances of zero gravity combat. Making Ice Planets loreless list instead to see if its more favorable or not. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16887	Posted - 2014.09.29 02:32:00 - [14] - Quote Not much in this update. Added pictures of 4 cities, one for each race. Gave Barren Planet the "50 Shades of Grey' effect that alters soil conditions and color. Added Caldari station interior picture Added POCO local to station 'planet' Deciding against loreless descriptions, creative juices doesn't flow as well. I tis better to longhand then bullet list later on. Began working on Temperate Planet Local "Tropics" as a perfect source material to alter. Added new mutators or Urban to include racial themes and omni themes and sub types such as a destroyed subvariant Added Skyring to Barren planet Traits to help visually modify the planets skybox to help convey lower amounts or thinner atmosphere. Similar to being at the edge of space. Began second pass on barren planets. Will start chapter '2' tomorrow this will cover weather, its rules, and its effects. Please look forward to it. [*[ Arranged more traits and effects into proper categories far to many to list. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16902	Posted - 2014.09.30 00:29:00 - [15] - Quote All Weathers moved to the new chapter. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L68aLQAg-rAfvIFZZ_LHaFAK1_2oeKB5p5ej0YpZXN0/edit Removed/Removing structures from all description as a trait. They will get their own chapter. All Weather Affinity removed from the Planetary Overview and shifted in the weather chapter. Added Omni-locals a collection of locals that can be featured anywhere and typically inherit the planet's traits instead. Moved some traits to the weather chapter, such as blue skies and sky ring as they're both skybox based weathers instead. Rerolled Ice planet's traits once more; Ice planet is now more of a swat infantry favored type game play with weakened defenses and lower module effects while damage increases from all weapons. Rerolled Plasma planet's traits once more; Plasma Planet is now Hardcore mode with no passive sensors and possible hud interference. Rerolled Storm planet's traits as an orbital free zone, no strikes, no drone launches, no intel map (you don't see other objects/players on it just layout of the land and sockets.) Vehicles and interlocal support is still possible but they must be ground based only. Rerolled Magma Planet's traits to be more highly favorable for ground vehicles. Added a specific locals to countermand trait allowing others to play in regular matched modes. Rerolled Gas Planet's traits to be most favorable for air vehicles. Added specific locals to countermand trait allowing others to play in regular matched modes. Rerolled Oceanic Planet's traits and locals to be most favorable to naval vehicles. Added specific locals to countermand trait allowing others to play in regular matched modes. Added locals to Ice planets and basic descriptors Added locals to Plasma Planets and basic descriptors Added locals to Storm Planets and basic descriptors Added locals to Magma Planets and basic descriptors Added locals to Gas Planets and basic descriptors Added an 'ocean' local to Barren Planets to allow naval vehicles called Salt Lakes Added Gallente station residential sector picture Began thoughts for chapter 3, which will begin to cover planetary setup and layout using elements from chapter 1 and 2. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2270	Posted - 2014.09.30 03:13:00 - [16] - Quote i have to say that this is the most work ive seen you put into anything for the game, its a shame it wont be used. Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16911	Posted - 2014.09.30 03:51:00 - [17] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i have to say that this is the most work ive seen you put into anything for the game, its a shame it wont be used. You don't know me very well CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2305	Posted - 2014.09.30 06:28:00 - [18] - Quote The main issue with this is the shear size would make it feel very empty. If you have thousands of massive open world planets, 99.999% of the in game territory would be empty. If you look at EVE with its sizable player base, many constellations have only a handful of players in them. Think about how many dozens of planets are in those systems. Now imagine the pilots were mercs, and each of those planets had a massive amount of procedurally generated terrain. It would be a ghost town...everywhere. The only time you'd see other players is if you joined a match, grouped up with other players, had some sort of objective that drew people in, or if there were certain planets that became the de facto hangout for good fights. This is a major reason I have doubts about an "open world" approach for Legion. Either the worlds are going to be tiny/contrived for each planet (like in Mass Effect where each deployable area was a tiny percent of the actual planet/moon), or they're going to have massive areas to play but only have a handful of planets to fight on. Neither solution is all that appealing. I love the terrain types, and much of the vision though. I can't wait for diverse environments in New Eden. I'd love to fight on sockets from wrecked EVE ships/drones. I'd love to see explosions overhead from a battle in EVE, see debris enter the atmosphere as a bunch of meteorites and then have the racially styled debris violently crash onto the battlefield as you're playing. It would really help players appreciate the scale of EVE ships. It would be cool though if you could build a base on the surface of a random planet after spending days hunting for just the right spot. Setup a shield, fill the bay with strontium, arrange turrets, Ewar turrets, a hanger with a fleet of defensive drones. Build some kind of resource collection facility and watch your drones (or slaves) laboring away. Go visit other player's surface bases. Blow up/capture others with friends. I'd love to fight in wrecked stations with 0 gravity in dark corridors (similar to Deadspace) with a squad of friends and an EVE pilot assisting/coordinating from space fighting against drones in a PvE "Dungeon." I've got a detailed version of this in the thread linked in my sig. I'd love to fight on a New Eden version of "cloud city," or on naval maps on ocean planets with surface platforms, surface and submarine vehicles, and submerged wrecks at the sea bottom. The possibilities really are incredible. CCP would need to radically alter their pace for creating content though. I don't know where the bottleneck is in their process, if they're just starved for artists/modelers, if the existing ones were totally incompetent, they were just so horribly managed that they weren't able to focus on one thing and ship it (e.g. Caldari production facility, Minmatar trade hub, taking 6 months for the CR/RR, OR NEARLY 12 for the missing heavy and scout suits) or what, but something would have to change in a massive way for the content to start churning out. Best PvE idea ever!
DarthPlagueis TheWise 119	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:14:00 - [19] - Quote +1 for sentinels jet skiing No really this looks like some quality stuff keep it up So what's FOTM? "Subways Italian Foot Long Sub" - IWS
Haerr 1500	Posted - 2014.09.30 08:56:00 - [20] - Quote Love it. Reading through them now. +1

Blueprint For Murder Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.09.30 10:39:00 - [21] - Quote I think dust is an amazing game that just didn't get enough buzz. I didn't hear about it until a few months ago and I have gotten game informer for years, visit ING pretty often, and play mmo's constantly. I mean there can always be improvements, but I really think PR is what hurt this game. The only other thing is there is not enough cosmetic items nothing to flashy, but you could make crazy cash on one time use / per stack armor dye.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 795	Posted - 2014.09.30 11:53:00 - [22] - Quote Dust 2.0 is what we have always needed, i said this weeks ago charlie murphy!!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16935	Posted - 2014.09.30 12:07:00 - [23] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: The main issue with this is the shear size would make it feel very empty. If you have thousands of massive open world planets, 99.999% of the in game territory would be empty. If you look at EVE with its sizable player base, many constellations have only a handful of players in them. Think about how many dozens of planets are in those systems. Now imagine the pilots were mercs, and each of those planets had a massive amount of procedurally generated terrain. It would be a ghost town...everywhere. The only time you'd see other players is if you joined a match, grouped up with other players, had some sort of objective that drew people in, or if there were certain planets that became the de facto hangout for good fights. This is a major reason I have doubts about an "open world" approach for Legion. Either the worlds are going to be tiny/contrived for each planet (like in Mass Effect where each deployable area was a tiny percent of the actual planet/moon), or they're going to have massive areas to play but only have a handful of planets to fight on. Neither solution is all that appealing. I love the terrain types, and much of the vision though. I can't wait for diverse environments in New Eden. I'd love to fight on sockets from wrecked EVE ships/drones. I'd love to see explosions overhead from a battle in EVE, see debris enter the atmosphere as a bunch of meteorites and then have the racially styled debris violently crash onto the battlefield as you're playing. It would really help players appreciate the scale of EVE ships. It would be cool though if you could build a base on the surface of a random planet after spending days hunting for just the right spot. Setup a shield, fill the bay with strontium, arrange turrets, Ewar turrets, a hanger with a fleet of defensive drones. Build some kind of resource collection facility and watch your drones (or slaves) laboring away. Go visit other player's surface bases. Blow up/capture others with friends. I'd love to fight in wrecked stations with 0 gravity in dark corridors (similar to Deadspace) with a squad of friends and an EVE pilot assisting/coordinating from space fighting against drones in a PvE "Dungeon." I've got a detailed version of this in the thread linked in my sig. I'd love to fight on a New Eden version of "cloud city," or on naval maps on ocean planets with surface platforms, surface and submarine vehicles, and submerged wrecks at the sea bottom. The possibilities really are incredible. CCP would need to radically alter their pace for creating content though. I don't know where the bottleneck is in their process, if they're just starved for artists/modelers, if the existing ones were totally incompetent, they were just so horribly managed that they weren't able to focus on one thing and ship it (e.g. Caldari production facility, Minmatar trade hub, taking 6 months for the CR/RR, OR NEARLY 12 for the missing heavy and scout suits) or what, but something would have to change in a massive way for the content to start churning out. Well I know this is expansive but this idea is to be implemented over a range of updates/expansions and the methodology or plan of pace should be covered in construction. Quickly in short, temperate will be the first planet out the door with two-3 locals at the start. As every expansion comes out a new planet with two locals will be introduced with +1 local to the planet with the fewest number of them. Zone borders open up on all previous PVE places as new locals are added. Every New Local will have a finer tuned PVP matchmade map set to ship with it as well. Weather can be shipped independently as they get done. Planetary effects will be the first ones brought in and should ship with the planet. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2306	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:16:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Vell0cet wrote: The main issue with this is the shear size would make it feel very empty. If you have thousands of massive open world planets, 99.999% of the in game territory would be empty. If you look at EVE with its sizable player base, many constellations have only a handful of players in them. Think about how many dozens of planets are in those systems. Now imagine the pilots were mercs, and each of those planets had a massive amount of procedurally generated terrain. It would be a ghost town...everywhere. The only time you'd see other players is if you joined a match, grouped up with other players, had some sort of objective that drew people in, or if there were certain planets that became the de facto hangout for good fights. This is a major reason I have doubts about an "open world" approach for Legion. Either the worlds are going to be tiny/contrived for each planet (like in Mass Effect where each deployable area was a tiny percent of the actual planet/moon), or they're going to have massive areas to play but only have a handful of planets to fight on. Neither solution is all that appealing. I love the terrain types, and much of the vision though. I can't wait for diverse environments in New Eden. I'd love to fight on sockets from wrecked EVE ships/drones. I'd love to see explosions overhead from a battle in EVE, see debris enter the atmosphere as a bunch of meteorites and then have the racially styled debris violently crash onto the battlefield as you're playing. It would really help players appreciate the scale of EVE ships. It would be cool though if you could build a base on the surface of a random planet after spending days hunting for just the right spot. Setup a shield, fill the bay with strontium, arrange turrets, Ewar turrets, a hanger with a fleet of defensive drones. Build some kind of resource collection facility and watch your drones (or slaves) laboring away. Go visit other player's surface bases. Blow up/capture others with friends. I'd love to fight in wrecked stations with 0 gravity in dark corridors (similar to Deadspace) with a squad of friends and an EVE pilot assisting/coordinating from space fighting against drones in a PvE "Dungeon." I've got a detailed version of this in the thread linked in my sig. I'd love to fight on a New Eden version of "cloud city," or on naval maps on ocean planets with surface platforms, surface and submarine vehicles, and submerged wrecks at the sea bottom. The possibilities really are incredible. CCP would need to radically alter their pace for creating content though. I don't know where the bottleneck is in their process, if they're just starved for artists/modelers, if the existing ones were totally incompetent, they were just so horribly managed that they weren't able to focus on one thing and ship it (e.g. Caldari production facility, Minmatar trade hub, taking 6 months for the CR/RR, OR NEARLY 12 for the missing heavy and scout suits) or what, but something would have to change in a massive way for the content to start churning out. Well I know this is expansive but this idea is to be implemented over a range of updates/expansions and the methodology or plan of pace should be covered in construction. Quickly in short, temperate will be the first planet out the door with 2-3 locals at the start. As every expansion comes out a new planet with two locals will be introduced with +1 local to the planet with the fewest number of them. Zone borders open up on all previous PVE places as new locals are added. Every New Local will have a finer tuned PVP matchmade map set to ship with it as well. Weather can be shipped independently as they get done. Planetary effects will be the first ones brought in and should ship with the planet. I get that it would obviously be rolled out over many years, that would be a given. So you picture this being like Everquest with zones that border each other with loading screens in between instead of one massive contiguous open world for each planet where the terrain types flow into each other like Minecraft? It would certainly be easier to implement that approach, although you'd lose the ability to hop into a dropship and just start flying in a random direction for a while, looking for cool features/areas to explore. You wouldn't be able to see a city off on the horizon and feel like you could fly to it. Would each zone be roughly rectangular with contrived borders like the original WoW? Would there be redlines to mark boundaries? Invisible walls? How big are these zones? If we're going to have fighters, zones need to be massive to accommodate high-speed maneuvering and dogfighting, otherwise you'll be constantly circling around the perimeter and it'll feel very confining and artificial. Assuming we do have massive zones and 2-3 per temperate planet, times 7,200 temperate planets in New Eden, and you have more virtual square footage in New Eden than any other MMO by several orders of magnitude, and that's before the expansions. I reiterate my concern that New Eden would feel very barren, like a lonely single-player ghost-town. It's a very tricky problem to get that balance right, simply because New Eden is already so huge. Best PvE idea ever!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16950	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:42:00 - [25] - Quote I went with zone borders saves us the trouble of having to make planet sized maps; though you can still advertise in the distant land box where the zone border or transitioner would take you. Zone borders in open world mode would be more of a yellow zone stay in it too long and you then automatically transition to the next zone though some maps may have choke pointed area. Loading Screens will be hidden by animations luckily (You walk into your VAN and an RDV picks it up to transition it) As for the lack of people option eve online space already suffers for that but also doesn't suffer for the following reasons. 1. Players give purpose. 2. A culmination of perfect conditions makes the place popular. 3. Lay of the land makes it strategically important. Now relying on these three means that 'there will always be places that nobody ever visits' which is fine, some folks like to be left alone and do things without anyone screwing with them... hopefully. This also may create the condition of crowding in some of the more popular areas. There are also other ways to make players visit the places often as well. One example is to make the Salvage Game Mode use the open world zones despite that you are going there through queues. Another possibility is making the PVP NPC matches also take place in open world zones (to facilitate this, the map will always have x number of players reserved for this function so that no matter how many third party folks are there the two teams can still duke it out with full members) Pvping players may wind up in a neat zone and go; dude I want to go back. Dial in System Planet Zone and you're back in that area for open world and free to do whatever. Another thing we can do is populate only few of the planets, not ever planet needs a zone yet or may not get one until conditions are met (lacks elevator for example) Some zones only open or close depending on condition (all Starbase and Station Zones for example only open when vulnerable) There are many many many tools and tricks to help the zones feel a bit more alive even if you are the only one there as well. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Dkafamos Comando Brasil 51	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:46:00 - [26] - Quote Different planets = different types of enviroments and needs for adjustment on part of my fellow mercs and squads? Yes, please, add depth to the battlefield, don't make squad leaders/platoon leaders like in planetside 2, where there is simply not a single relevance to it. During the hex period of the game, we had a lot more significance then today on these kind of lattice system. Having different planetary conditions adds real depth to the game. DO IT! Nice read.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16952	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:52:00 - [27] - Quote Dkafamos wrote: Different planets = different types of enviroments and needs for adjustment on part of my fellow mercs and squads? Yes, please, add depth to the battlefield, don't make squad leaders/platoon leaders like in planetside 2, where there is simply not a single relevance to it. During the hex period of the game, we had a lot more significance then today on these kind of lattice system. Having different planetary conditions adds real depth to the game. DO IT! Nice read. There is the lazy and there is the not so lazy ways of countering the effects too so you can easily cut the difference between the elite or not. Your squad may just over specialize in a certain zone type and may even use that for advertisment. Dka Famos' Frozen Forces! CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2306	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:54:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I went with zone borders saves us the trouble of having to make planet sized maps; though you can still advertise in the distant land box where the zone border or transitioner would take you. Zone borders in open world mode would be more of a yellow zone stay in it too long and you then automatically transition to the next zone though some maps may have choke pointed area. Loading Screens will be hidden by animations luckily (You walk into your VAN and an RDV picks it up to transition it) As for the lack of people option eve online space already suffers for that but also doesn't suffer for the following reasons. 1. Players give purpose. 2. A culmination of perfect conditions makes the place popular. 3. Lay of the land makes it strategically important. Now relying on these three means that 'there will always be places that nobody ever visits' which is fine, some folks like to be left alone and do things without anyone screwing with them... hopefully. This also may create the condition of crowding in some of the more popular areas. But lets modify the 3 for our needs 1. Players give purpose - Purely Dust 514 alone this would mean setting up a corp HQ, building your base and changing the layout of your base, the function of your base, and now you have to run and maintain this base and keep it protected. You have now given this zone a purpose, its home, its your money maker, or its your safe haven vacation spot after a long day's of grueling mercenary work. This is also where Eve online has the MOST room to wedge itself into for future link. Industrial player sets up a mission - Help my PI extractor work. mission could be randomized from simply fixing the damn thing, killing saboteurs, or heck nothing at all than to baby sit it. Military minded players could set it up so that they can tap into the military equipment surface side or facilitate the installation of it. 2. This can be done by modifying NPC populations, Events, Security status, Planet numbers in system/constellation/region, or nearby market hub for the rarer materials or NPC services, or even better player services. 3. And finally strategic importance. Dust side it could be as simple as taking out an HAV factory that is making cheap tanks for your enemies. With Eve Involved - Plasma Planets for example could be the only planet type that can host a System wide cyno-jammer, It is a plasma planet in a solar system perfectly placed that no other nearby star system allows jumping access into the defender's constellation; the heavens and earth will move to try to take this jammer out. Expect multiple invasions and orbital fights to bombard that structure into nothing or capture it with foot soldiers in the respites between bombardments. There are also other ways to make players visit the places often as well. One example is to make the Salvage Game Mode use the open world zones despite that you are going there through queues. Another possibility is making the PVP NPC matches also take place in open world zones (to facilitate this, the map will always have x number of players reserved for this function so that no matter how many third party folks are there the two teams can still duke it out with full members) Pvping players may wind up in a neat zone and go; dude I want to go back. Dial in System Planet Zone and you're back in that area for open world and free to do whatever. Another thing we can do is populate only few of the planets, not ever planet needs a zone yet or may not get one until conditions are met (lacks elevator for example) Some zones only open or close depending on condition (all Starbase and Station Zones for example only open when vulnerable) There are many many many tools and tricks to help the zones feel a bit more alive even if you are the only one there as well. Those are some good ideas. How big do you picture each zone? How long could you fly in a fighter at top speed before hitting the yellow zone? Best PvE idea ever!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16952	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:55:00 - [29] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I went with zone borders saves us the trouble of having to make planet sized maps; though you can still advertise in the distant land box where the zone border or transitioner would take you. Zone borders in open world mode would be more of a yellow zone stay in it too long and you then automatically transition to the next zone though some maps may have choke pointed area. Loading Screens will be hidden by animations luckily (You walk into your VAN and an RDV picks it up to transition it) As for the lack of people option eve online space already suffers for that but also doesn't suffer for the following reasons. 1. Players give purpose. 2. A culmination of perfect conditions makes the place popular. 3. Lay of the land makes it strategically important. Now relying on these three means that 'there will always be places that nobody ever visits' which is fine, some folks like to be left alone and do things without anyone screwing with them... hopefully. This also may create the condition of crowding in some of the more popular areas. But lets modify the 3 for our needs 1. Players give purpose - Purely Dust 514 alone this would mean setting up a corp HQ, building your base and changing the layout of your base, the function of your base, and now you have to run and maintain this base and keep it protected. You have now given this zone a purpose, its home, its your money maker, or its your safe haven vacation spot after a long day's of grueling mercenary work. This is also where Eve online has the MOST room to wedge itself into for future link. Industrial player sets up a mission - Help my PI extractor work. mission could be randomized from simply fixing the damn thing, killing saboteurs, or heck nothing at all than to baby sit it. Military minded players could set it up so that they can tap into the military equipment surface side or facilitate the installation of it. 2. This can be done by modifying NPC populations, Events, Security status, Planet numbers in system/constellation/region, or nearby market hub for the rarer materials or NPC services, or even better player services. 3. And finally strategic importance. Dust side it could be as simple as taking out an HAV factory that is making cheap tanks for your enemies. With Eve Involved - Plasma Planets for example could be the only planet type that can host a System wide cyno-jammer, It is a plasma planet in a solar system perfectly placed that no other nearby star system allows jumping access into the defender's constellation; the heavens and earth will move to try to take this jammer out. Expect multiple invasions and orbital fights to bombard that structure into nothing or capture it with foot soldiers in the respites between bombardments. There are also other ways to make players visit the places often as well. One example is to make the Salvage Game Mode use the open world zones despite that you are going there through queues. Another possibility is making the PVP NPC matches also take place in open world zones (to facilitate this, the map will always have x number of players reserved for this function so that no matter how many third party folks are there the two teams can still duke it out with full members) Pvping players may wind up in a neat zone and go; dude I want to go back. Dial in System Planet Zone and you're back in that area for open world and free to do whatever. Another thing we can do is populate only few of the planets, not ever planet needs a zone yet or may not get one until conditions are met (lacks elevator for example) Some zones only open or close depending on condition (all Starbase and Station Zones for example only open when vulnerable) There are many many many tools and tricks to help the zones feel a bit more alive even if you are the only one there as well. Those are some good ideas. How big do you picture each zone? How long could you fly in a fighter at top speed before hitting the yellow zone? Same size as our two current maps (we only have 2 in reality) with no red zone but instead of a square shape penta/hexa/octal border shapes instead to help zoning. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4421	Posted - 2014.09.30 16:12:00 - [30] - Quote An idea is like a drop of water. Your mind is like a river. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.



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