DUST Search - Matchmaking is broken......worse

Scar Scrilla wrote:

Outie 500 wrote:

Out of the 10 mcc matches I played, I lost 9. Only won the 10th match by pulling out my thale and camping the mcc roof. Seemed fitting for the occassion. Even though I lost the 9 matches, I got first place on most. Scotty has too much faith in my motivation .
I have always been a solo player in every game I play. That will NEVER change.
In the two years I've been playing dust, I've squaded twice. Im fast pace and people can't keep up.The thing that gets me the most, giving someone a ride, jump out to drop a link and they jack my ship. Then I waste half the match chasing it down just to crash into it. (Principal and I don't want an enemy making money off my loss).
I'll be uploading a pic of my wallet tomorrow showing a horrible loss streak. I did check score boards at the end. Either I was matched with a team of noobs or boosting was going on. Same people too. 2/35, 1/25. Both in the 9th match. Sure proto stompers will say matchmaking is working. They like easy kills. Matchmaking needs to be based off total SP or KDR. Not what it is now.

I feel you, the pains of going solo. Hijacking dropships won't happen if u run with a squad of friends or corpmates though. Same goes for most things in Dust. I love running solo too, but some matches are just much more easier to fight with a bunch of greenberries.

As for the new matchmaking I experienced more balanced matches where both sides push for the objective til the end (Domination) recently

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Outie 500 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2014.09.23 11:20:00 - [1] - Quote Out of the 10 mcc matches I played, I lost 9. Only won the 10th match by pulling out my thale and camping the mcc roof. Seemed fitting for the occassion. Even though I lost the 9 matches, I got first place on most. Scotty has too much faith in my motivation . I have always been a solo player in every game I play. That will NEVER change. In the two years I've been playing dust, I've squaded twice. Im fast pace and people can't keep up.The thing that gets me the most, giving someone a ride, jump out to drop a link and they jack my ship. Then I waste half the match chasing it down just to crash into it. (Principal and I don't want an enemy making money off my loss). I'll be uploading a pic of my wallet tomorrow showing a horrible loss streak. I did check score boards at the end. Either I was matched with a team of noobs or boosting was going on. Same people too. 2/35, 1/25. Both in the 9th match. Sure proto stompers will say matchmaking is working. They like easy kills. Matchmaking needs to be based off total SP or KDR. Not what it is now.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 691	Posted - 2014.09.23 11:22:00 - [2] - Quote You seem new, so ill ask you something; did you see it before the fix?
Michael Arck 5722	Posted - 2014.09.23 11:40:00 - [3] - Quote Play more ambush. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 237	Posted - 2014.09.23 11:41:00 - [4] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175428&find=unread It seems as though the new formula takes win/loss and kill/death into account. You may have gotten some fraudulent k/d w/l having players on your team against some players with legit k/d and w/l ratios. Formula is new and it will even out eventually. Just guessing. May be wrong. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 979	Posted - 2014.09.23 11:50:00 - [5] - Quote I haven't really played much since the new matchmaking but I haven't noticed a difference (good or bad) to be honest. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 392	Posted - 2014.09.23 11:59:00 - [6] - Quote there is a massive difference in quality of the matches. Other team puts up a fight 9 out of 10 times
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 138	Posted - 2014.09.23 12:08:00 - [7] - Quote I had a recent Ambush match go down to 1 clone between the teams. Pretty certain I had not seen that in months prior to the balancing changes. I honestly don't think that balancing could be worse than the constant beat-downs that used to happen in Ambush. If you are doing worse now you may have gotten lucky and been on the Q-sync side more often than not. "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 822	Posted - 2014.09.23 12:41:00 - [8] - Quote Outie 500 wrote: Out of the 10 mcc matches I played, I lost 9. Only won the 10th match by pulling out my thale and camping the mcc roof. You didn't win the 10th because you used a thales, you won because the other 15 people carried you snipers dont win matches Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Scar Scrilla 431	Posted - 2014.09.23 12:42:00 - [9] - Quote Outie 500 wrote: Out of the 10 mcc matches I played, I lost 9. Only won the 10th match by pulling out my thale and camping the mcc roof. Seemed fitting for the occassion. Even though I lost the 9 matches, I got first place on most. Scotty has too much faith in my motivation . I have always been a solo player in every game I play. That will NEVER change. In the two years I've been playing dust, I've squaded twice. Im fast pace and people can't keep up.The thing that gets me the most, giving someone a ride, jump out to drop a link and they jack my ship. Then I waste half the match chasing it down just to crash into it. (Principal and I don't want an enemy making money off my loss). I'll be uploading a pic of my wallet tomorrow showing a horrible loss streak. I did check score boards at the end. Either I was matched with a team of noobs or boosting was going on. Same people too. 2/35, 1/25. Both in the 9th match. Sure proto stompers will say matchmaking is working. They like easy kills. Matchmaking needs to be based off total SP or KDR. Not what it is now. I feel you, the pains of going solo. Hijacking dropships won't happen if u run with a squad of friends or corpmates though. Same goes for most things in Dust. I love running solo too, but some matches are just much more easier to fight with a bunch of greenberries. As for the new matchmaking I experienced more balanced matches where both sides push for the objective til the end (Domination) recently "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 112	Posted - 2014.09.23 13:43:00 - [10] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: Outie 500 wrote: Out of the 10 mcc matches I played, I lost 9. Only won the 10th match by pulling out my thale and camping the mcc roof. Seemed fitting for the occassion. Even though I lost the 9 matches, I got first place on most. Scotty has too much faith in my motivation . I have always been a solo player in every game I play. That will NEVER change. In the two years I've been playing dust, I've squaded twice. Im fast pace and people can't keep up.The thing that gets me the most, giving someone a ride, jump out to drop a link and they jack my ship. Then I waste half the match chasing it down just to crash into it. (Principal and I don't want an enemy making money off my loss). I'll be uploading a pic of my wallet tomorrow showing a horrible loss streak. I did check score boards at the end. Either I was matched with a team of noobs or boosting was going on. Same people too. 2/35, 1/25. Both in the 9th match. Sure proto stompers will say matchmaking is working. They like easy kills. Matchmaking needs to be based off total SP or KDR. Not what it is now. I feel you, the pains of going solo. Hijacking dropships won't happen if u run with a squad of friends or corpmates though. Same goes for most things in Dust. I love running solo too, but some matches are just much more easier to fight with a bunch of greenberries. As for the new matchmaking I experienced more balanced matches where both sides push for the objective til the end (Domination) recently I rarely play with squads myself and am a solo player majority of the time unless I play with a friend I know IRL or played with a long time and that's not going to happen anymore.... But I play solo because it is more fun to play solo in my opinion. I don't play for easy wins at all. that just bores me even more than playing solo. Also seeing as how the people play on dust now, it's just move to the next FOTM or try to destroy this or that because i'm a singular objective type player and not a versatile player but will call myself that any way to keep from being called a scrub. Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR

soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1142	Posted - 2014.09.23 13:48:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Play more ambush. Play another game completely.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3348	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:07:00 - [12] - Quote How close where matches. You are not promised a win just that u have a even fight of pulling it off You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7847	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:29:00 - [13] - Quote All our data says that battles are massively more balanced after the fix. I might even write a little thread on our findings once Delta is out. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3584	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:32:00 - [14] - Quote Unless my squads are goofing around (which is 70% of the time) we usually stomp and get the occasional loss sometimes. Matchmaking doesn't exist when it comes to squads because we all know "Teamwork and Communication is OP".
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 233	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:33:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: All our data says that battles are massively more balanced after the fix. I might even write a little thread on our findings once Delta is out. Delta tomorrow or next Wednesday. The Blazing Intellect Machine
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2272	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:44:00 - [16] - Quote I've noticed a radical improvement in team balancing. I'm sure the process could use refinement/fine-tuning but it's been night/day for me. I'm looking forward to seeing if they can incorporate mu into the matchmaker. That way it's pitting better players against each other and worse players against each other. I don't mind a longer wait to have better matches. Best PvE idea ever!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4322	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:54:00 - [17] - Quote So far when running solo since the change, every time my team has been stomped into the ground it has been because no one was placing Drop Uplinks. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 1029	Posted - 2014.09.23 14:58:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: All our data says that battles are massively more balanced after the fix. I might even write a little thread on our findings once Delta is out. Let's get on the same level: - What do you understand under balanced battles? Does it just mean WP/kill distribution off the team or does it also include the use of uplinks/control time of objectives/...? - What does "All data" include? - Massively more? You're comparing something with almost no balanced games...ofcourse it's going to be (massively) more, but is it enough?
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 1029	Posted - 2014.09.23 15:00:00 - [19] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: So far when running solo since the change, every time my team has been stomped into the ground it has been because no one was placing Drop Uplinks. That's because the current system doesn't include jack **** about what actually makes an actual balanced fun interesting battle. Now it's just the few players that carry the team, at least you had used to have a few matches were you could switch roles instead of doing the same thing in the hope of winning.
valad II NoGameNoLife 85	Posted - 2014.09.23 15:09:00 - [20] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Outie 500 wrote: Out of the 10 mcc matches I played, I lost 9. Only won the 10th match by pulling out my thale and camping the mcc roof. You didn't win the 10th because you used a thales, you won because the other 15 people carried you snipers dont win matches Don't be a d!ck. Let him think he carried the whole team with his Thales. Do just the opposite and stroke his ego. "OMG dood, you are so good with that Thales bro. Can you teach me" . He is in for a wake up call when Delta drops and he cant redline snipe as easy as it is now.

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1559	Posted - 2014.09.23 15:51:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: All our data says that battles are massively more balanced after the fix. I might even write a little thread on our findings once Delta is out. You gave one of my alts a bunch of starter corps vs minimum 4 FA guys in an ambush.. I even sent you pics of the board. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1533	Posted - 2014.09.23 15:56:00 - [22] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Unless my squads are goofing around (which is 70% of the time) we usually stomp and get the occasional loss sometimes. Matchmaking doesn't exist when it comes to squads because we all know "Teamwork and Communication is OP". This is exactly one of the main problems with matchmaking. Had a dom match on fracture road yesterday 2 squads on the enemy team and not a single squad on my team. Ended up getting the sh!t stomped out of us; enemy only lost 10-20 clones while they cloned us. I managed to hack the objective once at the start of the match but after that they almost redlined us (think it was intentional that they didn't). Then had an ambush oms match that was about the same. So bad I just started suiciding so the match would end quicker. Then had another dom... it actually went alright at first (was squaded up this time) but then we started getting major lag spikes. I'd start shooting at a guy then suddenly he's just calmly gliding in whichever direction not taking damage and boom I'd die. Seen Dengru in the match, watched him run away behind a corner 60+ meters away I turn to shoot at a guy shooting me same thing happens then suddenly Dengru kills me with a shotgun so I'm thinking the lag just made me think he ran behind a corner. It wasn't just me experiencing this cause my squad mate complained about lagging whenever they got close to enemies and apparently the rest of my team did as well because we went from having the objective locked down to getting our dicks kicked in, I was the only one to go positive and that was by 1 kill. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Grimmiers 659	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:00:00 - [23] - Quote I think it's much better. Clone count is moreeven now and the match is decided by what team has better coordination which means more action for the 15~20 minute matches.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3656	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:42:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: All our data says that battles are massively more balanced after the fix. I might even write a little thread on our findings once Delta is out. Battles are fixed. Increase in mcc snipers though.=ƒÿ¢ Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Everything Dies HENTAI FAN CLUB 979	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:48:00 - [25] - Quote Squads are much, MUCH more important. I've generally always played solo, but here lately I've had to join squads to have any real hope of winning a match. Stomps are much more rare, and are usually the result of one side having several members leave at the start of the battle. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 220	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:52:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: All our data says that battles are massively more balanced after the fix. I might even write a little thread on our findings once Delta is out. That's what I have been seeing and hats off to you and the other devs. Playing this weekend was fun way more often then in the past. The biggest problem for dom matches are people red zone sniping or just sitting in the red zone a minute or two into the match, but I've still played way more really fun matches this weekend then I used to.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 220	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:55:00 - [27] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: All our data says that battles are massively more balanced after the fix. I might even write a little thread on our findings once Delta is out. You gave one of my alts a bunch of starter corps vs minimum 4 FA guys in an ambush.. I even sent you pics of the board. I was in one stomp that looked like it had 2-3 stacked squads (full The Generals corp squad and 2 more half decent corps) versus miscellaneous. Didn't have my phone with me to take a photo. But, in general the matches have been much better. At this point, I am willing to accept better.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9525	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:08:00 - [28] - Quote https://plus.google.com/photos/+JessyCorrales/albums/6061208404864561809?sqi=116859665949822518619&sqsi=080c3eb2-98bd-40ba-84c0-a8d0751fa82f So far, things are looking balanced. WPs are more evenly distributed and KDR is more even which means no more seeing 3-4 players hogging all the scores and carrying the rest of the team, battles are more even in terms of clone loss between the two sides, and redline situations have become nearly non-existent. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 220	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:12:00 - [29] - Quote I actually saw some ambush OMS games that looked like they would be stomps turning into respectable loses or narrow wins and it was always because the losing team got their **** together. In one, someone from my team placed a drop uplink in a perfect position (don't know the map names, but the one with the raised concrete and pipes going over a deep depression; the uplink was on the corner where there was an installation) and the clone count went from 60-30ish to 0-13. The other team was dominating us by constantly pushing onto the retreat DL. Once a DL was put in that position very far from the enemy line (instead of in the next defensive position behind the current position like where I kept putting them), the opposing team kept doing that same push but now running up the corner to the installation and tanks separately up top against my SL, the installation, and a forge gunner. Killing the infantry running up the corner was like shooting fish in a barrel. I came out of that match something along the lines of 20/13/5 and my gun game is meh at best and on bad days just plain bad. Just proved to me that even with good match making there will still be some lopsided matches because one team just fell apart or never got it together in the first place or half the team team decided to red line snipe or AFK in the MCC.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 571	Posted - 2014.09.23 17:14:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: All our data says that battles are massively more balanced after the fix. I might even write a little thread on our findings once Delta is out. JIRA: YES



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