So nobody likes the assault bonuses of these two particular suits because their effects are not seen and require a much higher skill requirement to apply them, or very specific situations that favor their applications vs the minmatar and amarr bonuses.

In comparison the minmatar and amarr bonuses both actively help in the application of damage over time by extending it. The Caldari bonus help in application over time by reducing the time you are idle from firing but only after your damage is applied leaving your face vulnerable to feet, the small clip also makes this bonus more like a penalty. As for the Gallente the goal is to help in applying damage over time but with close range targets strafing bullets into black holes and the very high rof this bonus is rarely seen because a lot of your shots miss.

Also my own personal problem with the bonus is that it is not lore friendly in EVE Gallente and Caldari both receive bonuses to both hybrid weapon in most cases. And by most cases I mean almost all Gallente ships receive this while only some Caldari ships receive this because some exclusively favor missiles.

So my proposal is: (many) they are listed in no particular manner


Gallente:
-or- 2% damage to hybrid weapons
-or- 3% clip and 2% rof to hybrid weapons
-or- 3% range to hybrid weapons (this one is because the min and amarr assault suits overcome a weakness of their guns)

Caldari:
-or- 5% kick reduction to hybrid weapons (overcomes a weakness for rail, my favorite bonus for Caldari)
-or- 4% clip to hybrid weapons
-or- 3% range to hybrid weapons
-or- 1%/2% reload bonus to hybrid weapons in conjuction with a lowered version of one of the above.

Rather than focusing on bashing, I understand disagreement, what I think you could suggest your own, the more organized the discussion is the easier it is to get a dev involved and hopefully roll this out for echo.

P.S: Also depending on the degree as to how much EVERY other weapon will be good at short range the current Gal bonus should be built into the AR. This should be done in whatever hotfix attempts to fix this, hopefully Echo.

Range for the Gal because that's their biggest weakness and AR's are getting buffed so no need for rof or damage buff. Kick reduction for the Cal because that's their major weakness to sustain fire over range

I like the Caldari reload bonus. With changes to sniper in delta, I'll use it for sniping too. If anything I'd like a 4%/level to ads zoom extra. This is a stand off suit.
Gallente, I'm not sure about, could use a change, it feels like a basic suit rather than assault. Gallente is a hard 'flavor' to pin down at the medium tier, as this suit needs so much to make the weapon platform apply effect. I would suggest damage increase, biotic buffs, precision/damping, but all these things step on toes of commando/scout.

I agree to me these are the best, but it's good to have options :). But looking at it by just overcoming a weakness there are the best bonuses and definitely much better than what we have now.

Yeah right now the reload speed on my Cal assault is the same as on my Commando and any other commando for that matter. So my RR that should perform the best on it's racial suit performs exactly the same on all Commando's. That's not right

Speaking as a Gallente everything, I feel that adding a RoF or dmg boost would infringe a bit much on the Commando. We don't want that, the lines are already blurred enough. The range increase is clearly the way to go. However, the more I use my AR outside of my Assault, the more I see that the dispersion is actually quite noticeable, even though I've got sharpshooter 4 on my gun.

How about we lower the dispersion bonus and stack on the range bonus? +2% dispersion, +3% range? As for the Caldari, we could give them the same treatment: +2% reload speed, +3% kick reduction. I'd suggest we go a bit further with the assaults in general, giving the Amarr and Minmatar a VERY slight bonus to equal out. Perhaps +2% zoom for ScR, and +5%-10% Ammo? This could give the assaults a bit more edge in the slaying department, something that scouts are generally still better at doing.

This is just a suggestion. Otherwise, I'd be happy with a 3% range on Gallente, and 3% kick reduction for Caldari.

Range for the Gal because that's their biggest weakness and AR's are getting buffed so no need for rof or damage buff. Kick reduction for the Cal because that's their major weakness to sustain fire over range

It just occurred to me that if Gallente were given the Reload Bonus, even if it only applied to Blaster weapons, the bonus would apply to:

-Assault Rifle

-Shotgun

-Plasma Cannon

I am thinking that Reload Speed would not be considered a crap bonus for Gallente!

Caldari Assault should have a spool time reduction that would affect RRs, Magsecs, and Bolt Pistols. 10-15% per level.
A 0.0625 second charge time for RRs would be practically nonexistent.

Charge sniper would not be affected because that is a charge time, not a spool time. Also because that would be OP as hell.

Gallente Assault should have a simple +2% ROF per level for Blaster Weapons. That would put a Duvolle AR at 500 DPS. Unfortunately the Plasma Cannon would men be affected. Its just too different from any other Gallente weapon for it to be lumped in any bonus with them, other than a straight damage bonus.
The Ion Pistol would sport a solid 450 potentialDPS as well.

Well, no, it wouldn't be too crappy, but considering the alternatives, it's not as good. Plus, again, that delves into the Commando area, which is one reason why the Caldari want a change.

How about switch the current Caldari and Gallente Assault bonuses, but also have them apply to all Hybrid weapons?

Caldari:
5% reduction to hybrid light/sidearm hip fire dispersion and kick per level.

Gallente:
+5% to reload speed of hybrid light/sidearm weapons per level.

-Yes the bonuses are not as popular as clip size or heat reduction, but they would apply to more weapons.
-Caldari Assault suits would be more effective at close range with the Rail Rifle/Magsec SMG than any other suit.
-Gallente would be able to get back in the fight faster after emptying their AR clip. Reload speed is a lot more important at short range.

As I write this I realize that just reversing the bonuses makes both of them better. But I also like the bonuses applying to all Hybrid weapons.

The Caldari are not impressed with the Reload bonus because at the range you would normally use a Rail Rifle at, when you duck behind cover to reload you have all the time in the world to do it.

At Assault Rifle ranges when you duck behind cover to reload, the guy you were shooting at is libel to come around the corner looking for you! So the faster you can reload and get back in the fight the better.

I am also agreeing with the OPGÇÖs premise of having the Caldari and Gallente bonuses apply to all Hybrid weapons, so it would also provide the benefit of versatility. By switching the current bonus and making them apply to all Hybrid weapons, they get the greater benefit with their own weapons, but still get some benefit with the other Hybrid weapons.

As for being too much like the Commando bonus, the Assault bonus would also apply to the Ion Pistol, Bolt Pistol, and Magsec SMG.

I need my gk bonus to be able to hit things with gk weapons if you have not tried them the dispersion is redick. Thanks though I do not wish to use the same lazer beam CR everyone else uses I don't like easy mode.