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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3419
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:16:00 -
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This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
4295
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:18:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? I think not having a heart or soul in this case is an asset.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1693
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:19:00 -
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I would say, and I am serious here, because that's all they have been doing at least since I started this game.
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MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Yackoff Smirnoff
GHETTOSTAR GALACTICA
22
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:19:00 -
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they summon a demon |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
3638
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:21:00 -
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Really? Haven't seen a whole lot of members on during this event.
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valad II
NoGameNoLife
61
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:21:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? Team work & Communication are OP. |
Michael Arck
5680
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:23:00 -
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Just a guess but the more corpmates become friends and play together, their fluid efficiency increases. I bet most of those guys ran multiple pub matches and PC together all the time. And when you have capable men at your side covering your six, the better you become.
They play like they just inhaled two large rails though. Or at least thats the level I feel I gotta play them on.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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hfderrtgvcd
484
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:24:00 -
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They aren't good players before someone says that. In pc they get absolutely destroyed. They're good at pubstomping because they travel in packs and all carry protogear.
You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:24:00 -
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I heard that most of them are trained by Samurai and follow a strict regimen of exercise and a diet of sushi.
Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
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Atiim
12383
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:26:00 -
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Probably because most of the people they play against are fresh from the Battle Academy.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Vegetation Monster
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
299
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:27:00 -
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valad II wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? Team work & Communication are OP.
The ability to afford millions of proto suits due to PC farming is OP.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3419
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:27:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Really? Haven't seen a whole lot of members on during this event. I wasn't seeing a lot of different Nyain San members, but I was seeing the same squads with the same players during the times I was on. Names like th3ki, chelsea (don't remember rest of name), and a handful of others were the norm of my matches. |
Atiim
12383
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:29:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote: The ability to afford millions of proto suits due to PC farming is OP.
Most of the people stomping got their ISK from the refunds that were handed out at the start of Uprising.
The 1st Matari Commando
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valad II
NoGameNoLife
61
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:29:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Really? Haven't seen a whole lot of members on during this event. I wasn't seeing a lot of different Nyain San members, but I was seeing the same squads with the same players during the times I was on. Names like th3ki, chelsea (don't remember rest of name), and a handful of others were the norm of my matches.
I remember seeing "Your Name Here" about 5 times after he stuck that damn shotgun in my back, Too late by then. |
Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
231
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:31:00 -
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A part of it is because some people check the playerlist and just assume the match is lost. This happens with alot of the well established corps as well but NS got that next level "make bitchass player giveup" mystique. Instead of fighting back these hoes just give up and hand over the win or go into immediate KDR protection mode. Then its 9 or whatever vs 16 and that results in a stomp.
Opus Arcana | TBD Ringleader | Yep Squad Spokesman
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3419
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:32:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote: The ability to afford millions of proto suits due to PC farming is OP.
Most of the people stomping got their ISK from the refunds that were handed out at the start of Uprising. I got over 100 mil from my Uprising refund but it disappeared in like a month because I was trying everything to make the HMG Heavy I skilled back into viable.
The early iterations of Uprising made me retire from being a Heavy... So much wasted isk... |
Dimitri Rascolovitch
The Immortal Knights
229
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:33:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? lucky, i kept runnng into them
Burst HMG is OP use it. I do
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danthrax martin
Butcher's Nails
131
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:34:00 -
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Methodical and skilled up passive and active. The few I have squaded up with have maps memorized and patterns to run. They actually didn't talk too much. Great guys on your side if you're lucky. Seams like they have reps and needles always at the ready. They've held my sentinel up for some awesome pushes. I still try and take out as many as I can vs..
Pro Galmando - Gal Sentinel
Suicidal A/V Moron
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3419
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:37:00 -
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Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? lucky, i kept runnng into them You fought against S.A.I.U.K.I.? How were your matches? |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2419
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:37:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping?
In true EVE style:
- Establish steady, lucrative source of income
- Meta-Analysis
- Regular Team Play
- Voice-Comms
- Not giving a single **** about what anyone says about them
That is why I like them, and that is why they work.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Dimitri Rascolovitch
The Immortal Knights
229
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:38:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? lucky, i kept runnng into them You fought against S.A.I.U.K.I.? How were your matches?
i lost, or ragequit
but more or less, the matches were pretty good, aside from the tank spam that happened A LOT throughout the day for me
apparently my MU is equal to those who spam Maddys and Gunnys
Burst HMG is OP use it. I do
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2420
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:41:00 -
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Never rage-quite, look at it as a challenge to inflict maximum damage.
Granted, I play Skirmish almost exclusively which is imo the most balanced of the game-modes, but whenever I'm about to face a pub-stomp I always arise to the occasion and look to inflict maximum damage, headhunt the proto-squads and cycle through different fits while doing so.
They can easily afford it isk wise, but it makes things interesting and puts a visible bump in their progress when you start singling out corp members with "dirty" tactics, or start suicide-bombing to take out people. You start figuring out really fast who/when the enemy squad is using "Lazy" tactics this way and can punish them accordingly (Like when I vomit all 15 of my mines in one spot and find out nobody was using vehicle scanners, which is amazingly stupid).
Ambush though is terribad game-mode and prone to being spawncamped.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Dimitri Rascolovitch
The Immortal Knights
229
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:46:00 -
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i would love to be able to do that, but usually when im against the stomping team, my blues are all a bunch of cowards, who dont even attempt to push up through an area that had enemies in it at one point, even after its been cleared
Burst HMG is OP use it. I do
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:46:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Never rage-quite, look at it as a challenge to inflict maximum damage.
Granted, I play Skirmish almost exclusively which is imo the most balanced of the game-modes, but whenever I'm about to face a pub-stomp I always arise to the occasion and look to inflict maximum damage, headhunt the proto-squads and cycle through different fits while doing so.
They can easily afford it isk wise, but it makes things interesting and puts a visible bump in their progress when you start singling out corp members with "dirty" tactics, or start suicide-bombing to take out people. You start figuring out really fast who/when the enemy squad is using "Lazy" tactics this way and can punish them accordingly (Like when I vomit all 15 of my mines in one spot and find out nobody was using vehicle scanners, which is amazingly stupid).
Ambush though is terribad game-mode and prone to being spawncamped. lol. me too. I just love it when I kill a proto player in my standard/ militia suit, and then I can run up to them and terminate their clone.
I can't explain how giddy I get when I do that. (^_^ ) doesn't happen much though...
Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3420
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:46:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? In true EVE style:
- Establish steady, lucrative source of income
- Meta-Analysis
- Regular Team Play
- Voice-Comms
- Not giving a single **** about what anyone says about them
That is why I like them, and that is why they work. According to danthrax, NS doesn't talk too much so I'm not too sure that voice comms play a major role in their ability.
In fact, I have a similar experience with S.A.I.U.K.I. in which I tagged along in their open squad slot for about 8 consecutive matches. About 6 of those matches were against Nyain San in Domination and we won about 4 of them. This was all done while the S.A.I.U.K.I. members ate their dinners, drank their beers, and most notably, stayed almost completely silent for the entirety of those games.
Seriously, they were so quiet that I started to freak out at how coordinated they could play together, especially against the likes of Nyain San. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
3638
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:49:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? lucky, i kept runnng into them You fought against S.A.I.U.K.I.? How were your matches? I did too. Good matches as usual.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
3638
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:50:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? In true EVE style:
- Establish steady, lucrative source of income
- Meta-Analysis
- Regular Team Play
- Voice-Comms
- Not giving a single **** about what anyone says about them
That is why I like them, and that is why they work. According to danthrax, NS doesn't talk too much so I'm not too sure that voice comms play a major role in their ability. In fact, I have a similar experience with S.A.I.U.K.I. in which I tagged along in their open squad slot for about 8 consecutive matches. About 6 of those matches were against Nyain San in Domination and we won about 4 of them. This was all done while the S.A.I.U.K.I. members ate their dinners, drank their beers, and most notably, stayed almost completely silent for the entirety of those games. Seriously, they were so quiet that I started to freak out at how coordinated they could play together, especially against the likes of Nyain San. NS doesn't use squad chat, only sometimes. And only the American members talk a lot.
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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
966
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Posted - 2014.09.22 04:38:00 -
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Ambush is the least skill requiring game mode in Dust. It requires no tactics and very little comms. The only thing required to win ambush is to stick together.
The try hard kd padders that spam ambush day after day after day know the maps and the spawn points by heart. This allows then to quickly gain the lead in a game and then camp spawn points. And since they run as a wall of proto suits there is very little noobs in militia gear can do and they get steamrolled.
And with ambush as soon as one team gains the momentum there is almost nothing the losing side can do to recover especially since most of the time you "smart deploy" or spawn on an uplink you are surrounded by reds.
The very few times I have seen Nyan in a skirm or dom they often get there asses kicked, which is why they are almost always spamming ambush. They have kds to protect.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1529
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Posted - 2014.09.22 05:01:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping?
They camp and they zerg...and they're not particularly good at it. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
3638
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Posted - 2014.09.22 05:21:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? They camp and they zerg...and they're not particularly good at it. That goes for everyone.
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The Master Race
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.09.22 05:31:00 -
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During this event I saw entire squads afking through matches, but at least they were trying to be worthless better than those dedicated red line snipers.
New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
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iKILLu osborne
Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS
320
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Posted - 2014.09.22 05:31:00 -
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they're good players simple as that, everyone of them slayers in their own right, but will change role if necessary, its called adaptability and that is why they win and the fact they enjoy shooting their gun(unlike most players)
"yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....."
fought scotty too but something went wrong
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Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
899
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Posted - 2014.09.22 05:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote: The ability to afford millions of proto suits due to PC farming is OP.
Most of the people stomping got their ISK from the refunds that were handed out at the start of Uprising.
Got 180 mil back, still have 120, running tons of whatever I want....and still have 300 proto commando from the event lol. Money management is NOT a thing.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Omega Black Zero
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2014.09.22 06:44:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote: And only the American members talk a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR5Z4n1TdSI
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Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
780
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Posted - 2014.09.22 07:42:00 -
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stick together, communicate, win. its not rocket science and most other squads/corps could be as efficient if they took the time, also anythime i've come up against NS is when its been a bunch of random bluedots running non proto on our side. as you've mentioned if they come up against w.e.s.k.e.r stars, 1.up ect they can get their ass handed to them if opposition works as well together as they do
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
5105
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Posted - 2014.09.22 08:16:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:A part of it is because some people check the playerlist and just assume the match is lost. This happens with alot of the well established corps as well but NS got that next level "make bitchass player giveup" mystique. Instead of fighting back these hoes just give up and hand over the win or go into immediate KDR protection mode. Then its 9 or whatever vs 16 and that results in a stomp. As far as Ambush and OMS are concerned, you can thank Uprising 1.7 for this beauty.
Pre-1.7 Back when a Nyain San squad meant 6 Slayer Logis, I'd make it a point to stick around and try my damndest of drop a couple of 'em. Were we going to win? Not a chance. Was I going to go positive trying? LolNo. But was I able claim my pound of flesh if I caught one the f*ckers offguard and got lucky. You bet your arse I was. So I gave it 110%.
Post-1.7 I backout of nearly 100% of OMS matches involving Nyain San, more often than not before the battle begins. I'm not concerned about Win/Loss, KDR, Isk efficiency, etc. Never have been. But I'm not going to burn 1/2 a million Isk on Proto AV if doing so accomplishes nothing.
Very much looking forward upcoming V/AV improvements. As soon as Rattati gets it right, you can count on this vet to stick it out and give 'em hell. Until then, I'm out. And I'd encourage you to do the same.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
813
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Posted - 2014.09.22 10:03:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:stick together, communicate, win. its not rocket science and most other squads/corps could be as efficient if they took the time, also anythime i've come up against NS is when its been a bunch of random bluedots running non proto on our side. as you've mentioned if they come up against w.e.s.k.e.r stars, 1.up ect they can get their ass handed to them if opposition works as well together as they do
Wesker stars???? Lol
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2953
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Posted - 2014.09.22 10:04:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? In true EVE style:
- Establish steady, lucrative source of income
- Meta-Analysis
- Regular Team Play
- Voice-Comms
- Not giving a single **** about what anyone says about them
That is why I like them, and that is why they work.
This is it right here.
I don't bother hating them.
I just shoot them. Organized pubbies, disorganized pubbies...
You're all pretty much the same to me. |
hold that
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
263
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Posted - 2014.09.22 10:13:00 -
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they use cloak scouts and play ambush 90% of matches
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zzZaXxx
Vengeance Unbound
559
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Posted - 2014.09.22 10:22:00 -
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They all use solid state drives and they work together as one. |
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
2443
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Posted - 2014.09.22 10:25:00 -
[41] - Quote
Most of us in this English section of the forum probably don't reside in Asia, so the extra latency we experience on their servers compared to their crisp <40ms ping could be a factor.
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
381
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Posted - 2014.09.22 10:57:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping?
Lol, no. No praise for power players that boil the game down into exploitation of the mechanics. This is what you get when instead of people who play in the spirit of the game simply find what works to win and spams the sh*t out of it. This is a weakness of game design and will never allow for balance.
Nyain San is mostly Japanese. We all know how they tend to think. If not I suggest looking up the word kamikaze. You think that mentality has changed? Then look up Japanese business during the 80's. That mentality saw Japanese businessmen end up in hospitals, burnt out and close to death due to over demanding work conditions. Oh yeah, look up Middle East terrorist too for an in-depth study of how to use cheap tactics for a cheap win.
No respect for such mentality.
THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3427
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Posted - 2014.09.22 11:08:00 -
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^^^^^
You must not like Nyain San. |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2642
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Posted - 2014.09.22 11:29:00 -
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Lack of kdr matchmaking.
The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
61
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Posted - 2014.09.22 11:31:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I think not having a heart or soul in this case is an asset.
This. They're like McDonald's employees. You've got to be a mindless zombie. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
12269
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Posted - 2014.09.22 11:33:00 -
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Because they're Asians.
I'm 1/4th chinese, hence I have Asian blood in me, hence I am superior. But only 1/4th superior.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Vapor Forseti
DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance
1487
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Posted - 2014.09.22 11:35:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? I think not having a heart or soul in this case is an asset. I like this, a lot.
"I think not having a heart or soul in this case is an asset." -One Eyed King
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Vapor Forseti
DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance
1487
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Posted - 2014.09.22 11:39:00 -
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valad II wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:This event had me pitted against Nyain San for most of the matches I played. The only time I saw a squad of Nyain San lose was when they, along with a full squad of Skill of God, were up against another squad of Nyain San and a squad of 1.UP. It was one quick Ambush as the opposing NS squad and 1.UP cloned us even before we could take out 10 of their clones.
The only other corp I've faced that could compare to Nyain San's stomping efficiency is S.A.I.U.K.I, but I didn't come across them over the weekend and I'm a little saddened that I didn't. However, most other well-known pubstomping corps I've faced and teamed with do not measure up to the speed at which NS is able to dominate their opponents.
Although some would argue that Nyain San's tactics are scrubbish, they are in fact effective for pub matches. Moreover, they are consistent at what they do, and that deserves some praise.
Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? Team work & Communication are OP. Heh.
Back in the days when I constantly squaded with Nyain San/Chan, it was more of throwing down a defend order then going crazy. You won't believe how honestly silent it is in their squads. I guess you can say that concentration is key.
"I think not having a heart or soul in this case is an asset." -One Eyed King
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Generic Gristle
Carbon 7 Iron Oxide.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 11:41:00 -
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well seeing as the thread is already deteriorating into casual racism;
the yanks all whine and ***** about crutches, bleat in chat and post on forums about how unfair the game is, before throwing their controller out of the window and then going out to score more *********.
nyain san just get on with it. |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
199
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Posted - 2014.09.22 12:20:00 -
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Generic Gristle wrote:well seeing as the thread is already deteriorating into casual racism;
the yanks all whine and ***** about crutches, bleat in chat and post on forums about how unfair the game is, before throwing their controller out of the window and then going out to score more *********.
nyain san just get on with it.
So much this. It was kane + escrow that set up the blue dougnut, teamplayers , A.E, Rainbow Effect and Nyan that stomped continuously and 1.UP being the new stompers on the block, but i dont hear any complaints about thier Internet connections or Euro/American upload speeds being super fast. I've got terrible connection and have used my phone as a wireless modem for about a month and had no problem keeping up with or killing anybody on any continent i played with. Having a fast connection isn't a crutch, its a a crutch excuse.
Pubstomping. It isnt magic.
Get a squad with 6 proto suits, a combination of Heavy, Logis and several Scouts. Shotgun scouts of course. 4 slayers and Two logis and have everybody equip needles that can.
Have enough ISK to be able to throw away those Proto Suits.
Save enough SP to change out to FOTM. Over time it becomes less necessary as you collect more and more suits. Buying boosters helps.
Good teamwork is key, and the top corps are very good at it.
You might stand up to them but the 8 or so newberries on yourside cant, leaving you more likley to be surrounded. If your squad can't pull out 6 proto to counter the other guys then you're in for a bad time.
Take away proto suits/weapons and these ''top corps' become very average. That being said, since so many players attempt to proto stomp somettimes you got to bring out the big guns to put them in thier place.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Valentine Crendre
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
88
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Posted - 2014.09.22 13:01:00 -
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- ISK. (You should know why they have so much)
- Proto-gear.
- Knowledge of level layout (spawn points, etc. - low map variety/randomness allows this)
- Knowing how to take advantage of the flavor of the months, or any other advantages over the opposition.
Remember the Duvolle Tac AR and Cal Logi frames? Tanks? Now, Scouts and Heavy frames?
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Maur'ce Brutar
Merry and Hell
4
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Posted - 2014.09.22 13:21:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:A part of it is because some people check the playerlist and just assume the match is lost. This happens with alot of the well established corps as well but NS got that next level "make bitchass player giveup" mystique. Instead of fighting back these hoes just give up and hand over the win or go into immediate KDR protection mode. Then its 9 or whatever vs 16 and that results in a stomp.
Laughed at this way more than I should have.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
781
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:22:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:stick together, communicate, win. its not rocket science and most other squads/corps could be as efficient if they took the time, also anythime i've come up against NS is when its been a bunch of random bluedots running non proto on our side. as you've mentioned if they come up against w.e.s.k.e.r stars, 1.up ect they can get their ass handed to them if opposition works as well together as they do Wesker stars???? Lol
av seen em give them a run for their money yeah. each squad was a scrubby as the other. i just stood back, slapped my six kin on some heavies and netted myself 3300wp in a 50ticket amb tbh i'm not fussy who i go up against. i'm a logi. i'm used to dying and so when any of the stomping corps are up i'm in my sever suit with a six kin repper whoring war points
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
655
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:28:00 -
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All the Nyain San pubstomp hate is great. Keep it coming. It never gets old. |
Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
187
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:35:00 -
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first and foremost this is not a hate speech
teamwork can be op
also refusing to use anything but the most elite weapons and gimmicks and masters those mechanisms helps. doing so gives you the highest potential killing power. but for many it also takes the fun out of things. i seriously doubt they have fun in dust.
my reasoning is as follows. at least half of nyain san member i duel have above average gun game. a few of them could compete with the best i know. those select few are very fun duels. now my lets say meter for measuring skill in dust applies differently to everything. when i am dueling someone i look at several aspects.
the only way i can verify gungame is in long range engagements..thatnkfully most of nyain members are rr users and if pushed will commit to a long range duel. at range i can look at things like how aware are you of your health how is your strafing,,how would you counter be cornered.
most nyain san member run in groups and never leave squad formation..some of they're best do though and these are the guys i enjoy dueling.
personally i have no respect for the abuse of mechanics and use of the best choice atm. just because for me to do so with my lvl of skill would bore me out of dust. this is why i have never done so...because of this when i duel someone i am already at a disadvantage so again my measure of skill is odd.
i know on a one on one basis i could compete with any of them within my field of expertise
i also know that because i do not have the resources to vet a fully sinked squad of veteran players everytime i get on that if push comes to shove they can and will prohibit me from making isk.
a lone wolf sees things from a different perspective
nyain san is a deadly force as a whole they are skilled as a whole. on an individual level i would not call most nyain members skilled..the fact of the matter is in known engagement ive taken down they're proto suits time and time again with a suit of weaker lvl (granted proto corp skills)
again i never judge the skill of a persons gun game..unless we are running the same area coverage..(no range advtantage or minimal) (both weapons are meant to handle the same situations) the engagement is KNOWN engagement meaning that both side know of the others presence and are actively focused on each other.
sometimes they do things that apall me like loosing to my lr on a gal assault with the same hp but being repped and flagged by a proto minnie logi and having a friend teamfiring ..granted teamwork when i kill him hes revived kill him to much and they will prioritize team firing me..which can then make me completely ineffective in that situation and have to reproach.
most often they win by abusing some random aspect of the game thats broken.
occasionally a few of them are worth they're metal one v one in every way.
anyways that my census a good corp all in all. they have many fine traits i know many of their member personally and have enjoyed squading with them from time to time..i miss allot of their old elites who no longer play. some of them i dont understand mostly those with my skill or higher who use whats easy..but then again thats just because i would never be able to stick with dust that bored...
the thrill of competing with people in an unbalaced game is what keeps me coming back to dust pvp over destiny as odd as that is to say..although i am curious if dust were balanced if i would just bore out..and leave...because ide probably feel ide mastered the game..as is running whats hard keeps me here.
i cherish the nyain san players who will swap to my weapon and try and compete with me on my lvl..because then they have to face that its not the gun that keeps killing them
its MORTEDEAMOR
ps to the part of the community that has less sp than i. i was to busy grinding strange coins and running the cruelest pvp gettup ive ever seen in destiny to do the event everyone just got 2 million sp that morte doesnt have..common guys catch up im waiting for a fair fight
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Awesome Pantaloons
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
582
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:40:00 -
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Yackoff Smirnoff wrote:they summon a demon
^This. I'm pretty sure they perform a ritual sacrifice before playing Dust to call a berserk battle spirit upon themselves resulting in a blood frenzy free of remorse and fatigue and potty breaks.
"Awesome Pants don't care. Awesome Pants don't give a s**t."
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
909
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:43:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:Yackoff Smirnoff wrote:they summon a demon ^This. I'm pretty sure they perform a ritual sacrifice before playing Dust to call a berserk battle spirit upon themselves resulting in a blood frenzy free of remorse and fatigue and potty breaks.
We summon Cthulhu
Nyain San/Chan Director
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
3644
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:49:00 -
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Valentine Crendre wrote:- ISK. (You should know why they have so much)
- Proto-gear.
- Knowledge of level layout (spawn points, etc. - low map variety/randomness allows this)
- Knowing how to take advantage of the flavor of the months, or any other advantages over the opposition.
Remember the Duvolle Tac AR and Cal Logi frames? Tanks? Now, Scouts and Heavy frames?
I know who does... Like you guys don't chase fotm
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
231
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Posted - 2014.09.22 17:20:00 -
[59] - Quote
Nyain San........left the battle
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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Omega Black Zero
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2014.09.22 20:45:00 -
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Part of the issue stems from blueberries who don't know when they should retreat. Been numerous times where I pulled a full on retreat from an obvious pincer attack, only to survive and watch 12 blueberries get slaughtered due to their bad positioning and awareness. |
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1168
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Posted - 2014.09.22 23:01:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Anyway, back to the question. What does Nyain San do that makes them so proficient at pubstomping? In true EVE style:
- Establish steady, lucrative source of income
- Meta-Analysis
- Regular Team Play
- Voice-Comms
- Not giving a single **** about what anyone says about them
That is why I like them, and that is why they work.
I think this pretty much covers it, although I don't like them much. IThey excel at Ambush, one clue I saw was I was running some uplinks near the edge of the map, I watched a tank zoom up to the middle of nowhere pointing their blaster at the dirt. Sure enough, 15 seconds later my team started spawning there and he just splatted them. So they studied ans disseminate these things and play ruthlessly. They play game after game for hours. How can this be fun.
Because, that's why.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2014.09.22 23:49:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Valentine Crendre wrote:- ISK. (You should know why they have so much)
- Proto-gear.
- Knowledge of level layout (spawn points, etc. - low map variety/randomness allows this)
- Knowing how to take advantage of the flavor of the months, or any other advantages over the opposition.
Remember the Duvolle Tac AR and Cal Logi frames? Tanks? Now, Scouts and Heavy frames?
I know who does... Like you guys don't chase fotm I don't chase fotm
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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