DUST Search - I just found this, is really Ratatti want END for Dust or What??

Maken Tosch wrote:

postapo wastelander wrote:

Im confused now, what was crushed in broken promises?!
Is that mean there is no future or its stand for work still in progress?!
Any info will be really apreciated, because after long negativistic time i put finally hope in dust (after improvements like balancing and hotfixes), but this seems like setback to me once more.
Sadly im again confused like after EvEfest Ugh

It's not a reflection of what's to come but of what happened in the past.

Back then CCP made too many promises thinking they have the skills to make Dust a great game complete with an economy, industry, PVE, sovereignty warfare, all racial vehicles, pilot and commander suits, etc. But corporation mismanagement caused a series of delays that resulted in many of those promises to never be realized in Dust but instead got reserved for Project Legion.

That is what was crushed in broken promises.

However this doesn't entirely mean Dust has no future. It's just that the future is small in the form of hotfixes. Surprisingly these recent hotfixes were so well thought out that players are slowly starting to come back. Unfortunately, according to the metrics posted on Eve-Offline.net, the number of players coming back doesn't seem to be much as many who left already vowed to never come back regardless of how far Dust improves. But still the future for Dust is small compared to the future for Legion because 1) Dust is on the PS3 which is already considered to be very close to the end of its market life cycle, 2) there are only a few devs working on Dust compared to the multitude of devs working on Legion, and 3) reviews given by professional game critics some time ago have already damaged Dust's image.

"The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."

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postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 39	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:13:00 - [1] - Quote I just surfed on eve and dust forum and i found thingie, waht made me really wowed nad i mean wowed in negative and confused state. I though there will be some more of improvement after balancing stuff, but i fallin in to the abyss of really negativistic sadness. Just copy here (most intereing part just higlighted)> DUST 514: No client patches in the near future, only hot fixes, and only 3 DevGÇÖs fully dedicated to the DUST development. Sounds like the end of DUST doesnGÇÖt it? That is what we all thought when these announcements were made around Fan Fest. Yet Hot Fixes Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie have done more for the game than all the content patches since official release! Many now agree that DUST is more fun now than it was during the Chromosome (Open Beta) build, which most considered to be the high point of the game up to this point. So how did this lame duck suddenly grow wings? Well, in what was probably a last ditch attempt by CCP to salvage something from the burning wreckage of DUST development, and a desperate attempt to appease the DUST community after the botched Legion announcement, CCP made a decision which changed the Paradigm of DUST development. They promoted CCP Rattati, the most hard core Dust player in the Shanghai Office to oversee DUST development. Rattati was not even a Dev. He was just a guy from their finance department, although as we have learned, he does have some mad skills at manipulating numbers on spreadsheets. Many of us knew Rettati already, as he often posted as a DUST player who just happened to have a Blue tag. He even asked for advice on fits and participated in balance discussions as just one of us. We knew he had no power to change anything, although we often did try to convince him to clandestinely post certain suggestions in the CCP lunch room to catch the DevGÇÖs attention. We respected him as a player, and knew that he understood the game from a playerGÇÖs perspective, so when it was announced that Rettati was being put in charge of DUST, we had high hopes. And, unlike so many high hopes we had had for DUST in the past which had been crushed in broken promises, this time the reality exceeded even our highest expectations. Before each Hotfix Rettati and his trusty sidekick Logibro would post the changes that they thought needed to be made, complete with all the numbers, and they would open it to debate in topic specific threads, where experts from the Community could debate the effect of the changes and make alternate suggestions. He would also look for targeted feedback. If he was rebalancing Scout suits, he would wander into a dedicated Scout thread, toss out his proposals, and get feedback from some of the best Scouts in the game. Sometimes the numbers changed as many as 5 times before we came to a proposal that most of the community could agree on. Sometimes the community would convince him that his idea would not work and he would scrap it, and try something different. Most of the changes have been to improve weapon, suit, and module balancing, which had always been a struggle in DUST, and the results achieved have made DUST more fun than it has ever been. Every suit in the game is seen on the battlefield now, and most of the weapons are viable, with more improvements coming in Delta very soon. We are already talking about what to do in Hot Fix Echo. via.>https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374035&find=unread X x X x X Im confused now, what was crushed in broken promises?! Is that mean there is no future or its stand for work still in progress?! Any info will be really apreciated, because after long negativistic time i put finally hope in dust (after improvements like balancing and hotfixes), but this seems like setback to me once more. Sadly im again confused like after EvEfest "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Immortal John Ripper 24757	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:26:00 - [2] - Quote What I want to know is.... will the higher ups divert more resources to dust now that we finally have a dev in charge that we like and respect? A dev who has been working hard to give us, the player base, what we really want. Will things stay as a 3 man dev team or will we get more funding? more people? The game was going downhill for a long time and Ratatti changed all of that. Ratatti deserves the resources he needs to make this game a big success. I would like your post if I could but CCP nerfed my like button and took it away. :( Skype: John_Ripper5150
General John Ripper 24764	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:26:00 - [3] - Quote What I want to know is.... will the higher ups divert more resources to dust now that we finally have a dev in charge that we like and respect? A dev who has been working hard to give us, the player base, what we really want. Will things stay as a 3 man dev team or will we get more funding? more people? The game was going downhill for a long time and Ratatti changed all of that. Ratatti deserves the resources he needs to make this game a big success. I would like your post if I could but CCP nerfed my like button and took it away. :( Skype: John_Ripper5150
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 39	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:33:00 - [4] - Quote I honestly think they have enough of resources from microtransactions, but im really scared how he talks about "promises to dust in past time". What really confuses me. I know i will not be here for Dust2.0/Legion, because i will not buying pc for port of dust. And im more in to> if they actually planing to support us till everything promised will he implementd or if this is just run for hotfixes only, what he supports and vehind he stands (what will be actually really important for me and my future like player here)?! "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Immortal John Ripper 24763	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:38:00 - [5] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: I honestly think they have enough of resources from microtransactions, but im really scared how he talks about "promises to dust in past time". What really confuses me. I know i will not be here for Dust2.0/Legion, because i will not buying pc for port of dust. And im more in to> if they actually planing to support us till everything promised will he implementd or if this is just run for hotfixes only, what he supports and vehind he stands (what will be actually really important for me and my future like player here)?! funding is only one part of resources. What good is a million dollars funding if only 3 people have to manage hundreds of thousands of lines of code? it is impossible. I would like your post if I could but CCP nerfed my like button and took it away. :( Skype: John_Ripper5150
General John Ripper 24764	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:38:00 - [6] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: I honestly think they have enough of resources from microtransactions, but im really scared how he talks about "promises to dust in past time". What really confuses me. I know i will not be here for Dust2.0/Legion, because i will not buying pc for port of dust. And im more in to> if they actually planing to support us till everything promised will he implementd or if this is just run for hotfixes only, what he supports and vehind he stands (what will be actually really important for me and my future like player here)?! funding is only one part of resources. What good is a million dollars funding if only 3 people have to manage hundreds of thousands of lines of code? it is impossible. I would like your post if I could but CCP nerfed my like button and took it away. :( Skype: John_Ripper5150
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 219	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:40:00 - [7] - Quote everyone who plays dust knows Rattati is a BOSS i think ccp should give him employee of the year Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:42:00 - [8] - Quote I understood and sadly must agree. What bugs me even more, there was responce by him (Rattati himself) in other thread already and everytime when we asking about some info about future, he is silent like carpatian caste Oki right now im quite smewhere in middle tho confused and sad. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9482	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:44:00 - [9] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Im confused now, what was crushed in broken promises?! Is that mean there is no future or its stand for work still in progress?! Any info will be really apreciated, because after long negativistic time i put finally hope in dust (after improvements like balancing and hotfixes), but this seems like setback to me once more. Sadly im again confused like after EvEfest It's not a reflection of what's to come but of what happened in the past. Back then CCP made too many promises thinking they have the skills to make Dust a great game complete with an economy, industry, PVE, sovereignty warfare, all racial vehicles, pilot and commander suits, etc. But corporation mismanagement caused a series of delays that resulted in many of those promises to never be realized in Dust but instead got reserved for Project Legion. That is what was crushed in broken promises. However this doesn't entirely mean Dust has no future. It's just that the future is small in the form of hotfixes. Surprisingly these recent hotfixes were so well thought out that players are slowly starting to come back. Unfortunately, according to the metrics posted on Eve-Offline.net, the number of players coming back doesn't seem to be much as many who left already vowed to never come back regardless of how far Dust improves. But still the future for Dust is small compared to the future for Legion because 1) Dust is on the PS3 which is already considered to be very close to the end of its market life cycle, 2) there are only a few devs working on Dust compared to the multitude of devs working on Legion, and 3) reviews given by professional game critics some time ago have already damaged Dust's image. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:44:00 - [10] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: everyone who plays dust knows Rattati is a BOSS i think ccp should give him employee of the year He seems like great improvement for dust, but in lines what i found it seems like there is really small hope even from him, for Dust. What is really confusing even after all that notfixes. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."

Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:44:00 - [11] - Quote Nothing has changed since Fanfest. From CCP's point of view, Dust is still dead (despite the hotfixes, I wouldn't expect any further development, or anything more than basic life-support, to milk it for all it's worth until it's lost enough players that it is no longer feasable to keep the servers up), and Legion has still not been officially (read: publicly) green-lit. As far as content, what you've got now is all there will ever be for Dust. Any ideas to the contrary are just wishful thinking by people who either will not, or cannot accept the reality of the situation. A few hotfixes doesn't change the fact that CCP all but abandoned Dust to focus on their next (potential) project. Iknow this sounds negative, and many people here are still clinging to false-hope, but it is the reality of the situation, and the sooner people accept it, the easier it will be when the servers inevitably go offline. It won't be today, or next week, or next month, bit it WILL happen. It is inevitable. Enjoy what you've got while it lastd, because Dust's days are numbered, and have been since Fanfest.
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 68	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:49:00 - [12] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: I honestly think they have enough of resources from microtransactions, but im really scared how he talks about "promises to dust in past time". What really confuses me. I know i will not be here for Dust2.0/Legion, because i will not buying pc for port of dust. And im more in to> if they actually planing to support us till everything promised will he implementd or if this is just run for hotfixes only, what he supports and vehind he stands (what will be actually really important for me and my future like player here)?! funding is only one part of resources. What good is a million dollars funding if only 3 people have to manage hundreds of thousands of lines of code? it is impossible. Million dollars would be good to hire a few more button pushers to help with the hundreds of thousands of lines of code Nice look into Rattati's history though, no wonder he works so hard, he's one of us!
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:50:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Im confused now, what was crushed in broken promises?! Is that mean there is no future or its stand for work still in progress?! Any info will be really apreciated, because after long negativistic time i put finally hope in dust (after improvements like balancing and hotfixes), but this seems like setback to me once more. Sadly im again confused like after EvEfest It's not a reflection of what's to come but of what happened in the past. Back then CCP made too many promises thinking they have the skills to make Dust a great game complete with an economy, industry, PVE, sovereignty warfare, all racial vehicles, pilot and commander suits, etc. But corporation mismanagement caused a series of delays that resulted in many of those promises to never be realized in Dust but instead got reserved for Project Legion. That is what was crushed in broken promises. However this doesn't entirely mean Dust has no future. It's just that the future is small in the form of hotfixes. Surprisingly these recent hotfixes were so well thought out that players are slowly starting to come back. Unfortunately, according to the metrics posted on Eve-Offline.net, the number of players coming back doesn't seem to be much as many who left already vowed to never come back regardless of how far Dust improves. But still the future for Dust is small compared to the future for Legion because 1) Dust is on the PS3 which is already considered to be very close to the end of its market life cycle, 2) there are only a few devs working on Dust compared to the multitude of devs working on Legion, and 3) reviews given by professional game critics some time ago have already damaged Dust's image. You basicaly told no future. Hotfixes without future implementation seems like nonsence to me. Without future, why waste money on something what will not have support, it is sad but hnest logic. Even more sad i will e one of noDust2.0 boyos. And hell damage can be undone if they fix it ad implement everything what they and community wanted. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9482	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:51:00 - [14] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: Nothing has changed since Fanfest. From CCP's point of view, Dust is still dead (despite the hotfixes, I wouldn't expect any further development, or anything more than basic life-support, to milk it for all it's worth until it's lost enough players that it is no longer feasable to keep the servers up), and Legion has still not been officially (read: publicly) green-lit. As far as content, what you've got now is all there will ever be for Dust. Any ideas to the contrary are just wishful thinking by people who either will not, or cannot accept the reality of the situation. A few hotfixes doesn't change the fact that CCP all but abandoned Dust to focus on their next (potential) project. Iknow this sounds negative, and many people here are still clinging to false-hope, but it is the reality of the situation, and the sooner people accept it, the easier it will be when the servers inevitably go offline. It won't be today, or next week, or next month, bit it WILL happen. It is inevitable. Enjoy what you've got while it lastd, because Dust's days are numbered, and have been since Fanfest. This is why I'm looking forward to Legion's development. Dust now feels like it's been relegated to being a testing platform for Legion. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:59:00 - [15] - Quote Hell there is still great possibilities, why they dont see that. And honestly isnt better to fixed first project and built a second one from its base?! "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
Kalante Schiffer 749	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:00:00 - [16] - Quote Some good games usually arise by only a small group of devs.. maybe because since its a small group communication and work is more efficient than dealing with 20 people? could this be the same phenomenon? because seriously look at all the things he has done. We even have gotten spread sheets and been asked for feedback, something that rarely even happened in the past. If Rattati works for legion i might feel like buying a PC even more because i really been wanting to play PC and see what they are all about. I am still getting a PS4 because of tradition and friends.
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:03:00 - [17] - Quote To add to my previous post: As for Ratti, not to trivialize his contributions to this game and it's community, because he's the best thing to happen to it since... well... since beta, really, but I doubt he and the other two are anything more than caretakers, left behind to watch over things, with instructions to turn out the lights and lock up after the last of the players have moved on. Too bad, too. Things might have turned out differently if he was around at the beginning.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:07:00 - [18] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: To add to my previous post: As for Ratti, not to trivialize his contributions to this game and it's community, because he's the best thing to happen to it since... well... since beta, really, but I doubt he and the other two are anything more than caretakers, left behind to watch over things, with instructions to turn out the lights and lock up after the last of the players have moved on. Too bad, too. Things might have turned out differently if he was around at the beginning. Oh ma finally after that many years it start to be good and i will be in the end?! It just meh, i still believe there will be some late implementations, maybe racial tech and weaponary. If that will be only it will be awesome, but right now i feel like i dnt know just MEH "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1682	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:13:00 - [19] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: Some good games usually arise by only a small group of devs.. maybe because since its a small group communication and work is more efficient than dealing with 20 people? could this be the same phenomenon? because seriously look at all the things he has done. We even have gotten spread sheets and been asked for feedback, something that rarely even happened in the past. If Rattati works for legion i might feel like buying a PC even more because i really been wanting to play PC and see what they are all about. I am still getting a PS4 because of tradition and friends. This is actually a very good point. When DUST had a much larger team working on it we couldn't even always get dev blogs or even simple things like stats and graphs for things. Right now we have just a few DEVs doing a few things and we are seeing SO much more from so much less. What does that tell you? To me that says - what the hell was going on in the past that a handful of dudes now can do so much more visually to the playerbase than an entire team did before. I think we all respect what Ratatti and the others are doing right now. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
The Master Race Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:46:00 - [20] - Quote You guys are silly of course there are less people on this portion of the game because this portion is nearly finished apart from balance. I am sure the rest of the team is developing econ, new maps, Pve Conception, and proper eve interaction, space station design central hub/guild, and Space ship design since we will be able to board ships supposedly.

postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 41	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:47:00 - [21] - Quote The Master Race wrote: You guys are silly of course there are less people on this portion of the game because this portion is nearly finished apart from balance. I am sure the rest of the team is developing econ, new maps, Pve Conception, and proper eve interaction, space station design central hub/guild, and Space ship design since we will be able to board ships supposedly. Troll in my thread, oki im out. Can i ask some mod to close this, thx "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
The Master Race Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:01:00 - [22] - Quote I know right how dare someone with common sense be in this thread lol.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 44	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:04:00 - [23] - Quote Boyo you cant troll me im on pc and ps3 And honestly common sence told us, fix what you broke and finish what you make undone. If you think differently, you dont using common sence. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 937	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:08:00 - [24] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Ratatti deserves the resources he needs to make this game a big success. Headshot! Please support fair play!
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 128	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:17:00 - [25] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: What I want to know is.... will the higher ups divert more resources to dust now that we finally have a dev in charge that we like and respect? A dev who has been working hard to give us, the player base, what we really want. Will things stay as a 3 man dev team or will we get more funding? more people? The game was going downhill for a long time and Ratatti changed all of that. Ratatti deserves the resources he needs to make this game a big success. Why would they change? They moved the team before fan fest. They reduced the crew to below skeleton status and the daily player count is close to what it was, according to eve-offline.net anyway. If the AUR flow continues then why would they change anything? To see the cash improve enough to add developers back I think would be reflected in a significant increase of players, which has not happened even with the good (mostly) work from CCP Rattiti. Upper management believes Dust514 is not a good game. They have put the resources into Project Legion to see if the team can come up with a prototype that they believe their customers will want on the PC. This is it, Mercs. This is how it has been since fan fest and CCP Rattiti joining in. Why all the upset now? Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
The Master Race Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:25:00 - [26] - Quote Lol they are fixing what they have lol and re-branding to shake off the well... Dust... from the balance mishaps they have had. That way they can make some good money off that good promo trigger effect it is the reason these kids bought into cod, destiny, eso, assasins creed, and countless other games even though they are mediocre at best.That is where Project L will be a front runner no matter what games are out because it is a quality game and buy the time it is ready the balance issues will be taken care of. Pvers will have something to bite into making it a complete mmo with a broad player base because not everyone wants to be farmed constantly for their upgrades.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 128	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:25:00 - [27] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: I just surfed on eve and dust forum and i found thingie, waht made me really wowed nad i mean wowed in negative and confused state. CCP Rattiti stated clearly that there was no client side development planned for Dust514. He was very clear. Nothing has changed and nothing will. Project Legion is where CCP management has placed their bets. If it comes to pass CCP will release it on PC and their EVE players will have a new area to run about in. Dust514 will continue as long as the AUR is being purchased in sufficient quantities to pay for the remaining three developers. The game, btw still is significantly less fun and less of an game than Chromosome. Give me back TacNet, decent draw distances and long range warfare. Losing the grass and other processor/memory intensive graphics would be fine. They aren't good enough to compare to a modern game anyway so don't bother. IMO. Give it a rest. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 44	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:27:00 - [28] - Quote He told in near future About that Bshate how its more fung than chromo, that was reason why i highlghted it by italic with other wierd thignies. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."*
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16482	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:29:00 - [29] - Quote Tin Foil is weak and remains amazing how many mundane details people skip over because affirming those details don't make for good doom and gloom sensationalism. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Railgun =// Unlocked
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 44	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:30:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Tin Foil is weak and remains amazing how many mundane details people skip over because affirming those details don't make for good doom and gloom sensationalism. And what is answer, should we be a gloomy about future of dust or not?! One word can be a fix for everything. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."



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