DUST Search - I just found this, is really Ratatti want END for Dust or What??

Maken Tosch wrote:

postapo wastelander wrote:

Im confused now, what was crushed in broken promises?!
Is that mean there is no future or its stand for work still in progress?!
Any info will be really apreciated, because after long negativistic time i put finally hope in dust (after improvements like balancing and hotfixes), but this seems like setback to me once more.
Sadly im again confused like after EvEfest Ugh

It's not a reflection of what's to come but of what happened in the past.

Back then CCP made too many promises thinking they have the skills to make Dust a great game complete with an economy, industry, PVE, sovereignty warfare, all racial vehicles, pilot and commander suits, etc. But corporation mismanagement caused a series of delays that resulted in many of those promises to never be realized in Dust but instead got reserved for Project Legion.

That is what was crushed in broken promises.

However this doesn't entirely mean Dust has no future. It's just that the future is small in the form of hotfixes. Surprisingly these recent hotfixes were so well thought out that players are slowly starting to come back. Unfortunately, according to the metrics posted on Eve-Offline.net, the number of players coming back doesn't seem to be much as many who left already vowed to never come back regardless of how far Dust improves. But still the future for Dust is small compared to the future for Legion because 1) Dust is on the PS3 which is already considered to be very close to the end of its market life cycle, 2) there are only a few devs working on Dust compared to the multitude of devs working on Legion, and 3) reviews given by professional game critics some time ago have already damaged Dust's image.

"The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."


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postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 39	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:13:00 - [1] - Quote I just surfed on eve and dust forum and i found thingie, waht made me really wowed nad i mean wowed in negative and confused state. I though there will be some more of improvement after balancing stuff, but i fallin in to the abyss of really negativistic sadness. Just copy here (most intereing part just higlighted)> DUST 514: No client patches in the near future, only hot fixes, and only 3 DevGÇÖs fully dedicated to the DUST development. Sounds like the end of DUST doesnGÇÖt it? That is what we all thought when these announcements were made around Fan Fest. Yet Hot Fixes Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie have done more for the game than all the content patches since official release! Many now agree that DUST is more fun now than it was during the Chromosome (Open Beta) build, which most considered to be the high point of the game up to this point. So how did this lame duck suddenly grow wings? Well, in what was probably a last ditch attempt by CCP to salvage something from the burning wreckage of DUST development, and a desperate attempt to appease the DUST community after the botched Legion announcement, CCP made a decision which changed the Paradigm of DUST development. They promoted CCP Rattati, the most hard core Dust player in the Shanghai Office to oversee DUST development. Rattati was not even a Dev. He was just a guy from their finance department, although as we have learned, he does have some mad skills at manipulating numbers on spreadsheets. Many of us knew Rettati already, as he often posted as a DUST player who just happened to have a Blue tag. He even asked for advice on fits and participated in balance discussions as just one of us. We knew he had no power to change anything, although we often did try to convince him to clandestinely post certain suggestions in the CCP lunch room to catch the DevGÇÖs attention. We respected him as a player, and knew that he understood the game from a playerGÇÖs perspective, so when it was announced that Rettati was being put in charge of DUST, we had high hopes. And, unlike so many high hopes we had had for DUST in the past which had been crushed in broken promises, this time the reality exceeded even our highest expectations. Before each Hotfix Rettati and his trusty sidekick Logibro would post the changes that they thought needed to be made, complete with all the numbers, and they would open it to debate in topic specific threads, where experts from the Community could debate the effect of the changes and make alternate suggestions. He would also look for targeted feedback. If he was rebalancing Scout suits, he would wander into a dedicated Scout thread, toss out his proposals, and get feedback from some of the best Scouts in the game. Sometimes the numbers changed as many as 5 times before we came to a proposal that most of the community could agree on. Sometimes the community would convince him that his idea would not work and he would scrap it, and try something different. Most of the changes have been to improve weapon, suit, and module balancing, which had always been a struggle in DUST, and the results achieved have made DUST more fun than it has ever been. Every suit in the game is seen on the battlefield now, and most of the weapons are viable, with more improvements coming in Delta very soon. We are already talking about what to do in Hot Fix Echo. via.>https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374035&find=unread X x X x X Im confused now, what was crushed in broken promises?! Is that mean there is no future or its stand for work still in progress?! Any info will be really apreciated, because after long negativistic time i put finally hope in dust (after improvements like balancing and hotfixes), but this seems like setback to me once more. Sadly im again confused like after EvEfest "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 39	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:33:00 - [2] - Quote I honestly think they have enough of resources from microtransactions, but im really scared how he talks about "promises to dust in past time". What really confuses me. I know i will not be here for Dust2.0/Legion, because i will not buying pc for port of dust. And im more in to> if they actually planing to support us till everything promised will he implementd or if this is just run for hotfixes only, what he supports and vehind he stands (what will be actually really important for me and my future like player here)?! "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:42:00 - [3] - Quote I understood and sadly must agree. What bugs me even more, there was responce by him (Rattati himself) in other thread already and everytime when we asking about some info about future, he is silent like carpatian caste Oki right now im quite smewhere in middle tho confused and sad. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:44:00 - [4] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: everyone who plays dust knows Rattati is a BOSS i think ccp should give him employee of the year He seems like great improvement for dust, but in lines what i found it seems like there is really small hope even from him, for Dust. What is really confusing even after all that notfixes. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:50:00 - [5] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Im confused now, what was crushed in broken promises?! Is that mean there is no future or its stand for work still in progress?! Any info will be really apreciated, because after long negativistic time i put finally hope in dust (after improvements like balancing and hotfixes), but this seems like setback to me once more. Sadly im again confused like after EvEfest It's not a reflection of what's to come but of what happened in the past. Back then CCP made too many promises thinking they have the skills to make Dust a great game complete with an economy, industry, PVE, sovereignty warfare, all racial vehicles, pilot and commander suits, etc. But corporation mismanagement caused a series of delays that resulted in many of those promises to never be realized in Dust but instead got reserved for Project Legion. That is what was crushed in broken promises. However this doesn't entirely mean Dust has no future. It's just that the future is small in the form of hotfixes. Surprisingly these recent hotfixes were so well thought out that players are slowly starting to come back. Unfortunately, according to the metrics posted on Eve-Offline.net, the number of players coming back doesn't seem to be much as many who left already vowed to never come back regardless of how far Dust improves. But still the future for Dust is small compared to the future for Legion because 1) Dust is on the PS3 which is already considered to be very close to the end of its market life cycle, 2) there are only a few devs working on Dust compared to the multitude of devs working on Legion, and 3) reviews given by professional game critics some time ago have already damaged Dust's image. You basicaly told no future. Hotfixes without future implementation seems like nonsence to me. Without future, why waste money on something what will not have support, it is sad but hnest logic. Even more sad i will e one of noDust2.0 boyos. And hell damage can be undone if they fix it ad implement everything what they and community wanted. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 20:59:00 - [6] - Quote Hell there is still great possibilities, why they dont see that. And honestly isnt better to fixed first project and built a second one from its base?! "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 40	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:07:00 - [7] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: To add to my previous post: As for Ratti, not to trivialize his contributions to this game and it's community, because he's the best thing to happen to it since... well... since beta, really, but I doubt he and the other two are anything more than caretakers, left behind to watch over things, with instructions to turn out the lights and lock up after the last of the players have moved on. Too bad, too. Things might have turned out differently if he was around at the beginning. Oh ma finally after that many years it start to be good and i will be in the end?! It just meh, i still believe there will be some late implementations, maybe racial tech and weaponary. If that will be only it will be awesome, but right now i feel like i dnt know just MEH "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 41	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:47:00 - [8] - Quote The Master Race wrote: You guys are silly of course there are less people on this portion of the game because this portion is nearly finished apart from balance. I am sure the rest of the team is developing econ, new maps, Pve Conception, and proper eve interaction, space station design central hub/guild, and Space ship design since we will be able to board ships supposedly. Troll in my thread, oki im out. Can i ask some mod to close this, thx "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 44	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:04:00 - [9] - Quote Boyo you cant troll me im on pc and ps3 And honestly common sence told us, fix what you broke and finish what you make undone. If you think differently, you dont using common sence. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 44	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:27:00 - [10] - Quote He told in near future About that Bshate how its more fung than chromo, that was reason why i highlghted it by italic with other wierd thignies. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."*

postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 44	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:30:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Tin Foil is weak and remains amazing how many mundane details people skip over because affirming those details don't make for good doom and gloom sensationalism. And what is answer, should we be a gloomy about future of dust or not?! One word can be a fix for everything. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 44	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:35:00 - [12] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Chrome was gross... I my eye it was bigger fun, map was more versatile and i was basicaly less plainy "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 44	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:36:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: The Master Race wrote: You guys are silly of course there are less people on this portion of the game because this portion is nearly finished apart from balance. I am sure the rest of the team is developing econ, new maps, Pve Conception, and proper eve interaction, space station design central hub/guild, and Space ship design since we will be able to board ships supposedly. Um... when was the last time you visited the forums before now? Did you bother to watch Fanfest 2014? Did you read the PCGamer article? Did you read The Guardian article? All of those features we were promised for Dust is no longer coming to Dust. They're coming to Project Legion instead. Here are some links. Read up when you have the time. Cheers. http://www.pcgamer.com/previews/project-legion-first-look/ http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_GRjNL7l40&list=UU3cxDDMpYTZ7PqZma4NdNuA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h9pJyrPOZE&index=21&list=UU3cxDDMpYTZ7PqZma4NdNuA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnsLCz10CVU&list=UU3cxDDMpYTZ7PqZma4NdNuA&index=8 In other words, look forward to Legion instead. Im even more sad now, that guardian have article about Scottish loss in referendum "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 44	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:39:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Tin Foil is weak and remains amazing how many mundane details people skip over because affirming those details don't make for good doom and gloom sensationalism. And what is answer, should we be a gloomy about future of dust or not?! One word can be a fix for everything. The forums have proven over and over again my words hold little value. Would it matter if I gave the truth? Seems not, community constantly disregards; they can't handle it. also those DDoS attacks need to stop they're wrecking all of the other games I play. Boyo im part of community and if you tell truth without anything around i will trust you and hell i will be even gratefull. What bugs me a buged me before was how you was untransparent, just walking around. If you have something even just yes/no that will be enought. about DDos, yup these peoples just ruining everzthing taking players like hostages (hell its terrorism). "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 45	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:53:00 - [15] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ...my words hold little value. Probably the most accurate and truthful thing you've ever posted! Quote: Would it matter if I gave the truth? Seems not, community constantly disregards; they can't handle it. Maybe you should try it sometime. You might be surprised what this community can handle. (Lol, John beat me to it!) I think hope is not stronger than reality. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 46	Posted - 2014.09.20 23:04:00 - [16] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: The Master Race wrote: Edit:[b] I would go to pc just so I wouldn't have to deal with these babies on the forums all the time. Cuz PC Gaming forums are sooooo pleasant Dont feed a troll, please "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 46	Posted - 2014.09.20 23:25:00 - [17] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: What I want to know is.... will the higher ups divert more resources to dust now that we finally have a dev in charge that we like and respect? A dev who has been working hard to give us, the player base, what we really want. Will things stay as a 3 man dev team or will we get more funding? more people? The game was going downhill for a long time and Ratatti changed all of that. Ratatti deserves the resources he needs to make this game a big success. As much as I'd like to hope, I don't think the team situation will change for a long time, if ever. Boyo if there is possibility i will believe, but still more info will be apreciated. We talking abot you IWS, please try to put some direction in this gloomy session. I will not talking only about me, if i' ll tell you any kind of info will be highly appreciated C' mon boyo trust n us more, community can handle anything if community will know. "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."