Well they were kept the same to not break the HMG, thats the fact.

We can look at this later.

No youre not buffing forges, vehicles are easy enough to kill as is, didnt you read 2 hits to back of tank = death.This is coming from vet forgegunner day 1, my first weapon.Im also a pilot and when i hit the field in my ads im enemy #1.Have to dodge installations, swarms, forges, rammers, other dropships/tanks.AV has it way too easy, i can set up shop on a building and prevent vehicles from even entering the map, my fits also invulnerable to snipers because i put reps so i have no real enemy. Rattati just play vehicles for a couple of days and youll see the abomination youve created a.k.a. AV.

Dont want to burst your bubble but you can 2 shot kill that thing when hitting the weakspot in the back. Ive done it multiple times and if you want to go forge AV you take a buddy with you in a LAV and drive behind that guy. Then jump out and he is toast.

read the post. He never said that forges were getting a buff. I simply pointed out that the heavy damage mods are worthless. Quit being a reactionary git because getting damage mods spiked up isn't my objective and will not be part of my agenda until such time as marauders are re-released (with chromosome stats).

Changing damage mods from +damage to + magazine capacity, fitting boosts or range enhancements (probably a bad idea don't use the +range idea) might be a better option than the useless turd that is 5% damage mods that were made gimpy because the HMG is a CQC monster.

It has no effect on TTK whatsoever and the benefit of damage mods on the HMG is negligible at best. So right now its a useless module. We dont need useless modules.

Hey you gotta draw the line somewhere. Just look at the state of v vs. av, av gets buffs and vehicles get nerfed every single update.Literally every update. Why the constant nerfs? Well if you give someone an inch theyll take the mile.

/Cross steals Breakin's research to use as a reason marauders should be back in the game (what? I want there to be more toys to blow upplay with )

I've been doing some field testing with the Ishukone Assault Forge Gun to test AV efficacy. I normally run a caldari sentinel with two damage mods in the highs for what, +8% ish damage total since Heavy damage mods are +5% before diminishing returns?

After some thorough (and needlessly violent) testing, I am ready to produce my results, which were obtained using a templar sentinel with an Ishukone Assault Forge Gun, three militia armor reps, a toxin SMG, and a militia locus grenade.

Overtanked Gunnlogi target: 2 Extenders, and a plate, no hardener. Right around 5200 HP RAW. Provided by Shooter01

CalSent with two damage mods: 5 shots from front/side arc. 2 shots from behind.
Amarr Sentinel with no damage mods: 5 shots from the front/side arc. 2 shots from behind.

Random Pubbies in Soma and Madrugar: The other white meat. They got ripped apart with the Amarr Sentinel setup.

My last match ran 1505 WP, 4 kills, 4 deaths. 5 tanks were destroyed in the making of this fiasco, as well as several LAVs and Fixed turret emplacements. We lost, but it wasn't because of me screwing off. I spent the match hunting the abundant tank drops in my crapfit proto-gun Kill Me Suit.

At this point I'll be yanking all of my heavy damage mods off my AV fits. They don't provide any meaningful benefit to the role. I highly recommend you do as well, as most of the lost efficiency will be made up for by me putting my last point of forge gun proficiency in. My assessment as a career psychopath and all-round tank-murdering bastard is that there's no reason to bother with damage mods after forge gun proficiency 3.

Anyone want to provide feedback on whether damage mods do anything worthwhile on HMG fits? I don't notice any difference, personally.

I have very specific ideas on how to do that, balance against AV and buff dropships so that AV effective against marauders does not insta-murder them.

Untanked LAVs should be considered suicide sleds.

If a thread or spreadsheet/doc goes on up those be sure to give me a shout so that I see it. o7

Cheers,
Cross

I'll see about making something, Also Master Race... Soylent Green is made of PEOPLE.

Hey you gotta draw the line somewhere. Just look at the state of v vs. av, av gets buffs and vehicles get nerfed every single update.Literally every update. Why the constant nerfs? Well if you give someone an inch theyll take the mile.

wanna know why? 1.8 AV got nerfed into the ground, and we got invincible flying HAVs

Invincible really? If you cant use reason theres no point arguing with you.

Thanks Killer, I look forward to it o7

Well they were kept the same to not break the HMG, thats the fact.

We can look at this later.

The only thing current damage mods give is an illusion of improvement. This is not good and it is misleading to players who don't come here and read the forums.

I need the original numbers of the old HAVs and common use solid fit examples from chromosome. Focused on tank over gank.

I need the old stats from the base marauder and enforcer hulls as well as their skill bonuses. My ideas for how to balance are based around TTK with specific weapons in each AV class. I need the numbers specifically so I can see if they can be shoehorned into the current AV/V meta without boning dropship pilots or making enforcers tougher than gunnlogi/madrugar.

I am also going to need tank and dropship pilots who aren't entitled "Infantry need to be impotent against me" idiots to review my work and make sure I dont forget something critical.

I will need AV gunners who aren't interested in having a giant IWIN butan vs. Vehicles to do the same.

I know how I think HAVs and ADS should be balanced against forge guns for TTK. But I will need to backtrace the numbers with the swarms and PLC to make sure I don't gimp some players unintentionally in the proposal.

Finally... when I and whoever helps get done with the math...

I will need someone to help me make it so the whole thing makes sense to read.

Any volunteers?