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KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 616	Posted - 2014.09.18 22:50:00 - [1] - Quote Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon.
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1188	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:12:00 - [2] - Quote gr8 b8 m8 Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
hfderrtgvcd 422	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:13:00 - [3] - Quote Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3136	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:15:00 - [4] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. Why do you think cloaked SG scouts are balanced? Tanker/Logi/Assault
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4982	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:18:00 - [5] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. Deal, but no more shimmer. Invisibility without the purple, daytime only nonsense. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 616	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:23:00 - [6] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. There's no effective counter to a cloaked shotgun/remote scout, it has been and continues to be game breaking. Scouts should be able to do lots of things while cloaked: -Hack Objectives -Lay down equipment (except remotes perhaps) -Perform Scans I think the scout as a cloaky spy/saboteur offers more to gameplay and balance than the insta-gank mechanic that it currently is.
Extraneus Tenebrarum CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 72	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:43:00 - [7] - Quote 2 sec decloack animation increase the sound of decloack animation boom fixed
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 459	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:59:00 - [8] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. becuz ur Md cannot killl a cloaked scout ***** plz
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4204	Posted - 2014.09.19 00:07:00 - [9] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. Deal, but no more shimmer. Invisibility without the purple, daytime only nonsense. Don't forget that they need to fix the sprint bug first. It would be bad enough not to be able to use a weapon for 5 seconds, but then to not be able to move as well is just too much. Besides, 1 second is more than enough delay. Five is way too much. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 520	Posted - 2014.09.19 00:22:00 - [10] - Quote Someone said 1, someone said 2, I'd say meet in the middle at 1.5 seconds... However, that is 1.5 seconds before they can pull out an RE or weapon. This means they can get in position but need to make sure they are hidden/ in a blind spot before popping out/decloaking. I know I am getting tired of getting knifed only to see the guy "uncloak" as he hops over my corpse. Put a noticeable delay so if you are not doing what you are supposed to be (i.e. hide and sneak champion), then you SHOULD get whacked. There are still plenty of people who are completely oblivious you will still be able to walk right behind them and shank them with no effort. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.

LOADED'HORN KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 117	Posted - 2014.09.19 00:36:00 - [11] - Quote The Tac ar was op for months, Flaylock/mass driver op for months, Tanks op for months. Sorry to have to say it, again, but this broken, built for scrubs cloak needs a real fix. Yet I do not mind the cloak as an in game mechanic. I have used it about 10 times the week it came out. It was So so dirty. It was Interesting but stupid, for an old school scout to experience anyway. To be clear, yes I hate the players who abuse it. There has to be a DELAY before shooting or knifing. A switch mechanic and at least 3+ seconds cool down to buffer the ever present lag. WTF? How long do we have to put up with this ****? I kill these cloakers a lot sure, But they are killing me to without decloaking all the time. Yes I can see them on scans most of the time, but with lag and the speed of these players in the chaos of battle, very difficult to counter. I give up 75% of my hit points to detect cloaks. I do not want to play this way anymore. Without cloak shotgunners I would die half as much. I invested 5 million sp into Cal scout and max ewar just because I hate them. I want to run assault or logi but you get shot in the back every minute with no warning. You cant relax and it sucks. I am saying they are not fair, fun or balanced. Yes I know they were slightly nerfed. IDGAF about any thing else in game right now. @ CCP- This is just broke gaming. Whats new? This has always been Dust. This should have been a high priority fix 5 months ago./ Open beta vet. (@L@) I see all you cloak scrubs. Game breaking B!T(#E$
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 620	Posted - 2014.09.19 01:11:00 - [12] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. becuz ur Md cannot killl a cloaked scout ***** plz Yep, I am upset because I can't kill a cloaked scout in the heat of battle who shot me in the back before the de-cloak animation even finished. Glad you see my point.
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 311	Posted - 2014.09.19 01:31:00 - [13] - Quote i'm a cal ewar shotty with 200 ehp ar-8 bullets-1s cr-9 bullets-1s acr-14 bullets-less than 1s rr-7 bullets-2s arr- 13 bullets-2s sg-1 round-instant md-1 round-instant lr-depends on your aim- 2s scr-3 rounds- less than 1s hmg-instant forge-lol pc-instant smg- 26 bullets-2s flaylock- 2 rounds, instant if core flaylock- 1-2s nk-instant magsec-15 bullets- 3s scp-5 rounds- 2s ion-lol so whats your malfunction? your assault takes 2-3 rounds - 2-3s seems balanced to me i can see you, you can't see me thats why you use ewar/scanner you scrubs "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
hfderrtgvcd 425	Posted - 2014.09.19 01:58:00 - [14] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. Why do you think cloaked SG scouts are balanced? where did I say I thought that? I just said a 5 second decloak time is hilariously excessive. Shotgun scouts need a nerf, but this is not it. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4216	Posted - 2014.09.19 02:04:00 - [15] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. Why do you think cloaked SG scouts are balanced? where did I say I thought that? I just said a 5 second decloak time is hilariously excessive. Shotgun scouts need a nerf, but this is not it. There are a couple things that need to happen. One, Shotguns need to work as intended. They can't have the ridiculous hit detection issues and be nerfed at the same time. Not to mention that they are overpowered at lower tiers which needs addressing as well. Second, the sprint bug needs fixing before any delay can be addressed. It isn't reasonable to expect scouts to be unable to use weapons/equipment AND practically immobile. Once these two issues have been addressed, then we can better assess the shotgunning while cloaked significance. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3495	Posted - 2014.09.19 04:30:00 - [16] - Quote Just remove the ability to switch to weapons while cloaked and force the animation to finish by adding a delay during the decloak animation. Boom.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4193	Posted - 2014.09.19 08:34:00 - [17] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. becuz ur Md cannot killl a cloaked scout ***** plz As someone who just read dert's other thread, I lol'ed. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 936	Posted - 2014.09.19 08:39:00 - [18] - Quote agreed. pls check my sig. Please support fair play!
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3088	Posted - 2014.09.19 09:59:00 - [19] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. Close your eyes, and count to 5 seconds. That's an extremely long time. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 54	Posted - 2014.09.19 11:03:00 - [20] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. 5 seconds is way too much! But 2 seconds, with uncloaking when shot/fluxed should do a much more balanced work! Sorry for my bad english ^^

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9473	Posted - 2014.09.19 15:00:00 - [21] - Quote The best solution actually is to force the player to hold the wrist display until the cloak has fully dissipated before being able to swap to anything. That alone can solve the problem with shotgun-cloakies. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Omega Black Zero Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2014.09.19 21:44:00 - [22] - Quote Have you seen the speed spec'd scouts? I'm dead before they even are on my screen, and this is sans cloak.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3140	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:32:00 - [23] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. 5 seconds is way too much! But 2 seconds, with uncloaking when shot/fluxed should do a much more balanced work! ^ Tanker/Logi/Assault
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1684	Posted - 2014.09.20 21:30:00 - [24] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. There's no effective counter to a cloaked shotgun/remote scout, it has been and continues to be game breaking. Scouts should be able to do lots of things while cloaked: -Hack Objectives -Lay down equipment (except remotes perhaps) -Perform Scans I think the scout as a cloaky spy/saboteur offers more to gameplay and balance than the insta-gank mechanic that it currently is. There is no counter? Can you not see the shimmer? The EWAR is the unbalanced bit lets be totally honest. Its pretty rare that I lose track of someone because they are cloaked. Now the lack of firing delay , I agree there should be at least a small pause but 5 seconds is way too much man. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 992	Posted - 2014.09.20 23:33:00 - [25] - Quote Cloak delay is not the issue. People with ****** TVs are. I hate scouts with a passion but cloaks are hardly a problem. At close range they are almost as visible as if they were not cloaked.
The Master Race Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.09.21 07:35:00 - [26] - Quote Some sort of reveal time would be nice and force scouts to calculated threat a little more.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1179	Posted - 2014.09.21 10:20:00 - [27] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: i'm a cal ewar shotty with 200 ehp ar-8 bullets-1s cr-9 bullets-1s acr-14 bullets-less than 1s rr-7 bullets-2s arr- 13 bullets-2s sg-1 round-instant md-1 round-instant lr-depends on your aim- 2s scr-3 rounds- less than 1s hmg-instant forge-lol pc-instant smg- 26 bullets-2s flaylock- 2 rounds, instant if core flaylock- 1-2s nk-instant magsec-15 bullets- 3s scp-5 rounds- 2s ion-lol so whats your malfunction? your assault takes 2-3 rounds - 2-3s seems balanced to me i can see you, you can't see me thats why you use ewar/scanner you scrubs You can easily out rep and out strafe all of those. Trying to make your suit seem easy to kill by posting numbers,to those of us that know the facts,is idiotic. You probably stack shield regs,and that alone negates 98% of the weapons in this game. You're forgetting broken hit detection. Tl;Dr you aren't fooling anyone. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 938	Posted - 2014.09.21 10:42:00 - [28] - Quote 10/10 Please support fair play!
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 320	Posted - 2014.09.21 11:59:00 - [29] - Quote Get a gallente logi. problem solved. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 320	Posted - 2014.09.22 06:06:00 - [30] - Quote @ meee one ck.o shotty: 3 complex precision,1 complex light damage mod.,2 complex dampners, hk45 sg (look shiny gold), bolt pistol , arn cloak, remote explosives, flux grenade- ehp 247 cko knifer: 2 complex precision enhancors, 2 complex shield extenders, 1 enhanced reactive, 1 complex dampner, bk 42 acr, ishokune nk, arn cloak, remote explosives, flux grenade- ehp 412 cko ohk 3 complex damage mod, 1 complex shield extender, 2 enhanced armor plates, viz. scr, smg, arn cloak, compact hive, locus grenade- ehp 526 (scout version my 1.7 cal assault oh how i miss thee 1.7) no regulators/energizers involved waste of a good (and limited for c.scout) low slot. "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong

KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 630	Posted - 2014.09.22 08:13:00 - [31] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Get a gallente logi. problem solved. Gallente Logi here, problem not solved. Scouts can get under any scans.
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 131	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:55:00 - [32] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Get a gallente logi. problem solved. Gallente Logi here, problem not solved. Scouts can get under any scans. I was very critical of KA24DERT's other thread; I think the MD vs. heavies is very well balanced. But while he's overshooting a little here (5 seconds is too long) he's absolutely right to complain. Super stealthy (as in completely unscanable), high alpha or two shot scouts aren't balanced. At all. iKILLu osborne wrote: i'm a cal ewar shotty with 200 ehp ... md-1 round-instant... As a mass driver using logi, that's not my experience with shotgun scouts. For me, it all depends on whether they miss their second shot. The SG scouts first shot is almost a guaranteed hit. They get to chose their moment, and they are still cloaked to me when I get hit. If I'm already wounded before they attacked, or if I'm too laggy to move/spin before the second shot hits me, I'm dead. But IF the scout misses their second shot, there's a chance (about 1/3 of the time I get ambushed by a SG scout) that I'll get into a fight with them, instead of just being assassinated. If I get into a fight with them, and they miss their third shot, while each of my three shots splashes them, or I get lucky and get a splash and a direct hit, I can win a fight against a scout. I'd say roughly 1/6th of the time. That's some very cost effective cheap gear with little in the way of downsides, compared to a 150k logi suit that can't scan approaching scouts... Five seconds decloak delay is hyperbole. But adding a quarter of a second to the decloak animation each patch, until the stats for scout ambushes isn't as lopsided as my experience suggests they are, would be very welcome. We don't need a five second delay; we need a process of small incremental changes (+.25 seconds every hotfix, until most people aren't reporting seeing the scout only after they've been killed) to get cloaky SG scouts to a place where they are only a tiny little bit OP, instead of undeniably OP by a somewhat silly margin.
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 276	Posted - 2014.09.23 18:08:00 - [33] - Quote If anyone has read my input on other Cloak related discussions, you know I am AGAINST having cloaks of any kind in these games. But I accept that cloak equipment is now in this game (so far, with WAY more comfortable results than I personally expected), so I want to be fair to cloak users. Some of us are true Scouts: we NEED the cloak to be a device that fully visually conceals our movements until the very instant it's disrupted. It also must NOT hamper our movements just because we're using it, (except of course the limitation CCP wisely set by making it "equipment" that we have to pull out and turn on, and make room for on the suit). Putting ourselves that deep into enemy threat gives us only slim windows of opportunity to do our task, so any handcuffing or slowing down of our hands... means we miss our task. Some of us are NOT true Scouts, and we use the cloak to impishly hob-goblin our way through the battlefield like kids on Halloween, and "Ninja" in movies,... but I have to accept that THESE rascals are entitled to be in the game just as much as AKF players. Annoying, frustrating, but entitled to play too. Excess headshots being granted by "inherent skill weakness in your dropsuit" are annoying too, but are just as entitled to be in the game. I think the best thing CCP did with this introduction of cloaks (...it's turning out to be a GLORIOUS thing), is to handle the cloak as equipment. All its "weaknesses" and limitations come from that physics, and it's saved the cloak from being an "invisibitly power" terrorism in the hands of clever exploiters. I do not wish ANY aspect of the cloak's mechanics or animation on the CLOAK-USER's side to this issue to be experimented with. I'm terrified it will only trigger a worse problem that exploiters will be overjoyed with. Since some "excessiveness" is being experienced solely on the CLOAK-VICTIM's side of the issue, allowing a little (just a little) more scanner warning may help. If the victiim COULD briefly a red on his passive scan radar just outside of shotgun range (shotgun is the core offender, right?), it would give a victim some improved "opportunity" to use her situational awareness to prevent being killed. This might be done by scripting some sort of "optimal range" of the cloak's dampening. But at least it doesn't involve any new re-working of what a "cloak" is supposed to control...VISIBILITY. I think CCP has already put a very appropriate amount of visibility-control constraints from CCP for us to want to leave 'visibility' alone. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9528	Posted - 2014.09.24 00:34:00 - [34] - Quote https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1657211344 Quote: Lower Decloak animation to zero (cloak "nerf") So it now seems that as soon as you hit the button to decloak yourself or as soon as you swap to a weapon, you are now instantly visible. No animation time here. I like to see how this turns out with Delta. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Zindorak 1.U.P 938	Posted - 2014.09.24 01:23:00 - [35] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. Why do you think cloaked SG scouts are balanced? Those aren't rest are fine Pokemon master! I suck at Tekken lol
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 641	Posted - 2014.09.26 03:48:00 - [36] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. Why do you think cloaked SG scouts are balanced? Those aren't rest are fine SGs are just the common tool, but honestly most rifles could do the job almost as fast, and even faster against high-hp suits that can't be alpha'd with one SG shot. So the rest aren't fine, decloaking and firing almost every light weapon in the game will mean death for almost any suit within 1 second of sustained fire, never-mind if you line up a few headshots. Re-thinking the 5 second thing, I do agree with some of you guys that 2 seconds would be better.


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