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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:50:00 -
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Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. |
Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
1188
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:12:00 -
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gr8 b8 m8
Jaceon Pale-eye.
And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:13:00 -
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Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed.
You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3136
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:15:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed.
Why do you think cloaked SG scouts are balanced?
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4982
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:18:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon.
Deal, but no more shimmer.
Invisibility without the purple, daytime only nonsense.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:23:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed.
There's no effective counter to a cloaked shotgun/remote scout, it has been and continues to be game breaking.
Scouts should be able to do lots of things while cloaked:
-Hack Objectives
-Lay down equipment (except remotes perhaps)
-Perform Scans
I think the scout as a cloaky spy/saboteur offers more to gameplay and balance than the insta-gank mechanic that it currently is. |
Extraneus Tenebrarum
CaUsE-4-CoNcErN
72
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:43:00 -
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2 sec decloack animation increase the sound of decloack animation boom fixed |
Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
459
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:59:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon.
becuz ur Md cannot killl a cloaked scout ***** plz |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
4204
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:07:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. Deal, but no more shimmer. Invisibility without the purple, daytime only nonsense.
Don't forget that they need to fix the sprint bug first.
It would be bad enough not to be able to use a weapon for 5 seconds, but then to not be able to move as well is just too much.
Besides, 1 second is more than enough delay. Five is way too much.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Thokk Nightshade
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
520
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:22:00 -
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Someone said 1, someone said 2, I'd say meet in the middle at 1.5 seconds... However, that is 1.5 seconds before they can pull out an RE or weapon. This means they can get in position but need to make sure they are hidden/ in a blind spot before popping out/decloaking. I know I am getting tired of getting knifed only to see the guy "uncloak" as he hops over my corpse. Put a noticeable delay so if you are not doing what you are supposed to be (i.e. hide and sneak champion), then you SHOULD get whacked. There are still plenty of people who are completely oblivious you will still be able to walk right behind them and shank them with no effort.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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LOADED'HORN
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
117
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:36:00 -
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The Tac ar was op for months, Flaylock/mass driver op for months, Tanks op for months.
Sorry to have to say it, again, but this broken, built for scrubs cloak needs a real fix.
Yet I do not mind the cloak as an in game mechanic. I have used it about 10 times the week it came out. It was So so dirty. It was Interesting but stupid, for an old school scout to experience anyway. To be clear, yes I hate the players who abuse it.
There has to be a DELAY before shooting or knifing. A switch mechanic and at least 3+ seconds cool down to buffer the ever present lag.
WTF?
How long do we have to put up with this ****? I kill these cloakers a lot sure, But they are killing me to without decloaking all the time. Yes I can see them on scans most of the time, but with lag and the speed of these players in the chaos of battle, very difficult to counter. I give up 75% of my hit points to detect cloaks. I do not want to play this way anymore.
Without cloak shotgunners I would die half as much. I invested 5 million sp into Cal scout and max ewar just because I hate them. I want to run assault or logi but you get shot in the back every minute with no warning. You cant relax and it sucks. I am saying they are not fair, fun or balanced. Yes I know they were slightly nerfed. IDGAF about any thing else in game right now.
@ CCP- This is just broke gaming. Whats new? This has always been Dust.
This should have been a high priority fix 5 months ago./
Open beta vet. (@L@) I see all you cloak scrubs. Game breaking B!T(#E$
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
620
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:11:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. becuz ur Md cannot killl a cloaked scout ***** plz
Yep, I am upset because I can't kill a cloaked scout in the heat of battle who shot me in the back before the de-cloak animation even finished.
Glad you see my point. |
iKILLu osborne
Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS
311
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:31:00 -
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i'm a cal ewar shotty with 200 ehp
ar-8 bullets-1s
cr-9 bullets-1s
acr-14 bullets-less than 1s
rr-7 bullets-2s
arr- 13 bullets-2s
sg-1 round-instant
md-1 round-instant
lr-depends on your aim- 2s
scr-3 rounds- less than 1s
hmg-instant
forge-lol
pc-instant
smg- 26 bullets-2s
flaylock- 2 rounds, instant if core flaylock- 1-2s
nk-instant
magsec-15 bullets- 3s
scp-5 rounds- 2s
ion-lol
so whats your malfunction? your assault takes 2-3 rounds - 2-3s seems balanced to me i can see you, you can't see me thats why you use ewar/scanner you scrubs
"yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....."
fought scotty too but something went wrong
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:58:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. Why do you think cloaked SG scouts are balanced?
where did I say I thought that? I just said a 5 second decloak time is hilariously excessive. Shotgun scouts need a nerf, but this is not it.
You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
4216
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:04:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. Why do you think cloaked SG scouts are balanced? where did I say I thought that? I just said a 5 second decloak time is hilariously excessive. Shotgun scouts need a nerf, but this is not it.
There are a couple things that need to happen.
One, Shotguns need to work as intended. They can't have the ridiculous hit detection issues and be nerfed at the same time. Not to mention that they are overpowered at lower tiers which needs addressing as well.
Second, the sprint bug needs fixing before any delay can be addressed. It isn't reasonable to expect scouts to be unable to use weapons/equipment AND practically immobile.
Once these two issues have been addressed, then we can better assess the shotgunning while cloaked significance.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Joel II X
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3495
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Posted - 2014.09.19 04:30:00 -
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Just remove the ability to switch to weapons while cloaked and force the animation to finish by adding a delay during the decloak animation.
Boom. |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4193
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:34:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. becuz ur Md cannot killl a cloaked scout ***** plz
As someone who just read dert's other thread, I lol'ed.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
936
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:39:00 -
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agreed. pls check my sig.
Please support fair play!
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
3088
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Posted - 2014.09.19 09:59:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon.
Close your eyes, and count to 5 seconds. That's an extremely long time.
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
54
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Posted - 2014.09.19 11:03:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon.
5 seconds is way too much! But 2 seconds, with uncloaking when shot/fluxed should do a much more balanced work!
Sorry for my bad english ^^
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.09.19 15:00:00 -
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The best solution actually is to force the player to hold the wrist display until the cloak has fully dissipated before being able to swap to anything. That alone can solve the problem with shotgun-cloakies.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Omega Black Zero
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2014.09.19 21:44:00 -
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Have you seen the speed spec'd scouts? I'm dead before they even are on my screen, and this is sans cloak. |
Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3140
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Posted - 2014.09.20 18:32:00 -
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Sequal Rise wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Scouts should have to wait 5 seconds after decloaking before activating another module or weapon. 5 seconds is way too much! But 2 seconds, with uncloaking when shot/fluxed should do a much more balanced work!
^
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
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Posted - 2014.09.20 21:30:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Then why on earth would anyone use a cloak? Judging from this and your other thread, it seems you don't care at all for game balance and just want whatever kills you to be nerfed. There's no effective counter to a cloaked shotgun/remote scout, it has been and continues to be game breaking. Scouts should be able to do lots of things while cloaked: -Hack Objectives -Lay down equipment (except remotes perhaps) -Perform Scans I think the scout as a cloaky spy/saboteur offers more to gameplay and balance than the insta-gank mechanic that it currently is.
There is no counter?
Can you not see the shimmer? The EWAR is the unbalanced bit lets be totally honest. Its pretty rare that I lose track of someone because they are cloaked.
Now the lack of firing delay , I agree there should be at least a small pause but 5 seconds is way too much man.
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MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
992
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Posted - 2014.09.20 23:33:00 -
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Cloak delay is not the issue. People with ****** TVs are.
I hate scouts with a passion but cloaks are hardly a problem. At close range they are almost as visible as if they were not cloaked. |
The Master Race
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.21 07:35:00 -
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Some sort of reveal time would be nice and force scouts to calculated threat a little more. |
Meee One
Hello Kitty Logistics
1179
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Posted - 2014.09.21 10:20:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:i'm a cal ewar shotty with 200 ehp
ar-8 bullets-1s
cr-9 bullets-1s
acr-14 bullets-less than 1s
rr-7 bullets-2s
arr- 13 bullets-2s
sg-1 round-instant
md-1 round-instant
lr-depends on your aim- 2s
scr-3 rounds- less than 1s
hmg-instant
forge-lol
pc-instant
smg- 26 bullets-2s
flaylock- 2 rounds, instant if core flaylock- 1-2s
nk-instant
magsec-15 bullets- 3s
scp-5 rounds- 2s
ion-lol
so whats your malfunction? your assault takes 2-3 rounds - 2-3s seems balanced to me i can see you, you can't see me thats why you use ewar/scanner you scrubs
You can easily out rep and out strafe all of those.
Trying to make your suit seem easy to kill by posting numbers,to those of us that know the facts,is idiotic.
You probably stack shield regs,and that alone negates 98% of the weapons in this game.
You're forgetting broken hit detection.
Tl;Dr you aren't fooling anyone.
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
938
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Posted - 2014.09.21 10:42:00 -
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10/10
Please support fair play!
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
320
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Posted - 2014.09.21 11:59:00 -
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Get a gallente logi. problem solved.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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iKILLu osborne
Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS
320
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Posted - 2014.09.22 06:06:00 -
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@ meee one
ck.o shotty:
3 complex precision,1 complex light damage mod.,2 complex dampners, hk45 sg (look shiny gold), bolt pistol , arn cloak, remote explosives, flux grenade- ehp 247
cko knifer:
2 complex precision enhancors, 2 complex shield extenders, 1 enhanced reactive, 1 complex dampner, bk 42 acr, ishokune nk, arn cloak, remote explosives, flux grenade- ehp 412
cko ohk
3 complex damage mod, 1 complex shield extender, 2 enhanced armor plates, viz. scr, smg, arn cloak, compact hive, locus grenade- ehp 526 (scout version my 1.7 cal assault oh how i miss thee 1.7)
no regulators/energizers involved waste of a good (and limited for c.scout) low slot.
"yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....."
fought scotty too but something went wrong
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