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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.17 15:33:00 -
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Celus Ivara wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Holly grail of dev?1
Honestly this is pure fanboyism I'm talking about the hypothetical end point of Dust's development arc. The game we are playing now is very, very far from this. I think if Legion development continues we will get there. ...Eventually. The real question is, is someone else going to get there first? There are already several games working in this space right now. Even though Destiny isn't trying to be that game, they are only one or two feature upgrades away from bumbling into it. There is zero doubt in my mind we will see that holy grail game appear sometime in the next few years. The only question for me is who's climbing that mountain first?
The crucial difference between Bungies's and CCP's implementation, imo, is core FPS mechanics: Because Bungie was able to execute on the core, they now have the freedom to play with their game design and and try to make their game more relevant/meaningful.
This is the singular massage i want the Legion team/Reyk to understand: no core mechanics = no freedom to adapt & no future.
PSN: RationalSpark
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
28
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Posted - 2014.09.17 15:47:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Holly grail of dev?1
Honestly this is pure fanboyism How long have you played the game? What have your experiences been for that length of time? Why do you feel this way? -
Im here since beta boyo nd i saw many thingies and really wierd solution to problems what devs made.
I just dont see holy grail of gaming in something what is purely hate/love game.
This game is fine in my eyes but many aspect was here already in other games and this game itself still unfinished and unfullfiled visio, what they gave us many times before and swap that for easyway out of issues.
Holy grail is in my eyes game, what bring what was promised, game what is purely palyable and where communication about upcoming changes is through dialog.
Not waiting for bone what is thrown by devs.
Honestly beta was bigger fun even withou graphix and shenanigans what we have here now.
My experiece was one and only, they told they'll bring us "A" but they mess it and brough "B" what was in they eyes quite same, but wasnt.
The nail to its coffin was PR debacle on fest, where they told Ps3 community about Dust ported with all of community ideas to Pc.
Dont get me wrong i like this game, that reason why im still here.
But honestly, they should fix their stuff, they should implement what they promissed.
And they should stop with nonsences about limitation on Ps3, when everywhere is proof of otherwise.
"The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4856
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Posted - 2014.09.17 16:00:00 -
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Dust is not important to the gaming industry.
Dust is entirely ignored by the gaming industry. |
Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc
General Tso's Alliance
473
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Posted - 2014.09.17 16:02:00 -
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I actually think that dust could have a future.
but it would be a long shot based on legion not being green lighted or possibly pop demand.
(don't worry i know  )
but think about it for a moment.. let's imagine that the game actually gets balanced to a point where the devs no longer had to devote time to parts of the game that have already been done once.
they would be able to start looking at fixing glitches and bugs etc, and whether or not it's worth doing
ok let's say they decided it is
(stay optimistic on this post, we're only being theoretical)
after they have the game fixed it would be time to decide if it's worth further development..
if the player count had gone up due to the game getting better, maybe they turn thoughts towards new items or ps4 ports..
in other words..
if through the hot fixes, and player interest and the work of ccp logibro & Rattati it was decided that the console experiment was a success..
Legion or even dust could go ps4
even if ccp carried on with legion and didn't put it on the ps4, it could be a signal to other companies to try something new..
optimism.. everybody should try it  |
postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
28
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Posted - 2014.09.17 16:10:00 -
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Optimism is oki.
But realism about some thingies what bugs me here, draging me sometimes in deeply darkened pesimism XD
Nope, this thingie is right.
Honestly im only one here alone who thinking why they start with balancing and that hotfixes now.
I believe that proper tinking before some possible implements.
Why they put their time on fixing game, what can be just unplug in just blink of eye?!
In game what is finally abadoned there is not a reason to do that.
Fixing stuff and balancing is mostly before something bigger.
I know its still just "Maybe", but it can be one beautifull maybe if you start dust.
You will se dowload screen and there will be matari tank or Amarr heavy weapon.
Oh boyo i still believe 
"The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
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Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc
General Tso's Alliance
474
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Posted - 2014.09.17 16:41:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Optimism is oki. But realism about some thingies what bugs me here, draging me sometimes in deeply darkened pesimism XD Nope, this thingie is right. Honestly im only one here alone who thinking why they start with balancing and that hotfixes now. I believe that proper tinking before some possible implements. Why they put their time on fixing game, what can be just unplug in just blink of eye?! In game what is finally abadoned there is not a reason to do that. Fixing stuff and balancing is mostly before something bigger. I know its still just "Maybe", but it can be one beautifull maybe if you start dust. You will se dowload screen and there will be matari tank or Amarr heavy weapon. Oh boyo i still believe
lets hope so mate. |
Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1829
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Posted - 2014.09.17 16:43:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Dust is not important to the gaming industry.
Dust is entirely ignored by the gaming industry.
This is probably going to come off as harsh, but your past posts have made it obvious that you view Dust in a mostly negative light. Which prompts me to ask, why are you still here?
I'm sure your reason might actually be tied to what's being said in the original post.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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NAV HIV
The Generals
2128
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Posted - 2014.09.17 16:47:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Dust is not important to the gaming industry.
Dust is entirely ignored by the gaming industry. This is probably going to come off as harsh, but your past posts have made it obvious that you view Dust in a mostly negative light. Which prompts me to ask, why are you still here? I'm sure your reason might actually be tied to what's being said in the original post.
Guess his reason is the same as mine : Friends |
CommanderBolt
TerranProtossZerg
1617
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Posted - 2014.09.17 16:51:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Nice thread man. For all of DUST`s issues I totally agree.
For me the last game that I stuck with so long (in FPS terms) was Battlefield 2142. A game very similar to dust in many ways for those not familiar.
The reasons you point out are the reasons I keep coming back to play. Plus its a fun game most the time. Funny story, I was studying a battle you fought today just a few hours ago :), to check for Team Balancing anomalies. Sorry, back to topic. OP, I as a player, agree with everything you said.
Should I be scared? Why me? lol.
I have found the most fun thing ever to do in DUST. 3x red complex speed mods, + plasma cannon! I am ready for million clone event.
-=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=-
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
"I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
4269
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Posted - 2014.09.17 18:50:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:OP, I as a player, agree with everything you said.
Yet another thing that DUST has going for itGǪ now. The guy in charge can legitimately post his opinion as a player.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2014.09.17 20:43:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Dust is not important to the gaming industry.
Dust is entirely ignored by the gaming industry. This is probably going to come off as harsh, but your past posts have made it obvious that you view Dust in a mostly negative light. Which prompts me to ask, why are you still here? I'm sure your reason might actually be tied to what's being said in the original post.
But is he wrong?
Dust could have achieved most of what the game was trying to accomplish , but so could many other games that tried to be ambitious too . If it did maybe it would have changed gaming it probably wouldn't have either depending on how the features was made. |
zzZaXxx
Vengeance Unbound
511
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Posted - 2014.09.17 20:45:00 -
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You speak from my heart my friend! I agree with everything you're saying. What we've already done in Dust has pushed beyond what's been done before in shooters. With the additional content, better graphics and performance, player market, and (relatively) fully fleshed out nature of Legion when it hits the scene, hopefully a lot of Dust players will migrate and a whole new horde of PC players will join, and Dust/Legion will continue to evolve. If Legion can start off right, there's a chance that all we've done (and learned) will feed into it and the story will continue to great places that we've fondly imagined. All we need is for CCP to get their head on straight, which it seems they finally have, for enough Dust players to migrate, and for enough new PC players to get into it.
I predict Legion is going to hit like a bomb. It will start off as a very, very polished and balanced shooter. It will be utterly unique. It will give gamers what they've been wanting, what Destiny failed to give.
And another interesting thing is that, for better or worse, Dust players will be the demi-god pirate lords of Legion because we'll start off with so much SP. Not sure how they'll make that work. Hopefully they'll give us the freedom to go out and create lots of emergent content without allowing us to screw up the NPE.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
182
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:19:00 -
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Yeah but dust is dead..ccp gave up on it..they moved their dream to legion which is on pc..thus none of that matters.
Also dust is not fun to play it's a job..and I already have 2 of those
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1833
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:02:00 -
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Avinash Decker wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Dust is not important to the gaming industry.
Dust is entirely ignored by the gaming industry. This is probably going to come off as harsh, but your past posts have made it obvious that you view Dust in a mostly negative light. Which prompts me to ask, why are you still here? I'm sure your reason might actually be tied to what's being said in the original post. But is he wrong? Dust could have achieved most of what the game was trying to accomplish , but so could many other games that tried to be ambitious too . If it did maybe it would have changed gaming it probably wouldn't have either depending on how the features was made.
Is he wrong for what?
And you're basically saying what I'm saying in the OP. It had potential. Now they're focused on Legion and that's why I posted, to say "Hey. You can't screw this up. Legion can be THAT game, that we came looking for back when Mordu offered up those trials."
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1833
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:06:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Yeah but dust is dead..ccp gave up on it..they moved their dream to legion which is on pc..thus none of that matters.
Also dust is not fun to play it's a job..and I already have 2 of those
Yeah, Legion is what we're looking at right now. Dust, to me at least, is just a side project that's helping them achieve a successful Legion.
Also, unless things have drastically changed since I've left, Dust was only a "job" when you were stuck in heavy amounts of daily engagements, i.e. a war. I've been lead to believe that Dust hasn't had any big long-drawn battles in a while, and so I can't help but wonder why does it feel like a job to you?
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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Mex-0
Comander's Capital
55
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:13:00 -
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I would totally switch to legion except that I'm not sure if it works on my mac, and if i can use my DS3 controller. Otherwise, I'm fine, except for the fact that CCP kind of ditched us dust bunnies.
I don't use OP weapons, I AM OP.
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:31:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Avinash Decker wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Dust is not important to the gaming industry.
Dust is entirely ignored by the gaming industry. This is probably going to come off as harsh, but your past posts have made it obvious that you view Dust in a mostly negative light. Which prompts me to ask, why are you still here? I'm sure your reason might actually be tied to what's being said in the original post. But is he wrong? Dust could have achieved most of what the game was trying to accomplish , but so could many other games that tried to be ambitious too . If it did maybe it would have changed gaming it probably wouldn't have either depending on how the features was made. Is he wrong for what? And you're basically saying what I'm saying in the OP. It had potential. Now they're focused on Legion and that's why I posted, to say "Hey. You can't screw this up. Legion can be THAT game, that we came looking for back when Mordu offered up those trials."
Dust is not important to the gaming industry.
Dust is entirely ignored by the gaming industry.
All you did was said his past posts is negative of Dust and he criticize it a lot which he does . Either way you really didn't address his statement. I guess he was directly talking about your title and parts of your post.
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1836
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:25:00 -
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Avinash Decker wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Avinash Decker wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Dust is not important to the gaming industry.
Dust is entirely ignored by the gaming industry. This is probably going to come off as harsh, but your past posts have made it obvious that you view Dust in a mostly negative light. Which prompts me to ask, why are you still here? I'm sure your reason might actually be tied to what's being said in the original post. But is he wrong? Dust could have achieved most of what the game was trying to accomplish , but so could many other games that tried to be ambitious too . If it did maybe it would have changed gaming it probably wouldn't have either depending on how the features was made. Is he wrong for what? And you're basically saying what I'm saying in the OP. It had potential. Now they're focused on Legion and that's why I posted, to say "Hey. You can't screw this up. Legion can be THAT game, that we came looking for back when Mordu offered up those trials." Dust is not important to the gaming industry. Dust is entirely ignored by the gaming industry. All you did was said his past posts is negative of Dust and he criticize it a lot which he does . Either way you really didn't address his statement. I guess he was directly talking about your title and parts of your post.
I didn't need to argue with his statements. As of right now, Dust isn't important and thus it's fairly ignored...
However back when it was going into BETA, it was the talk around the blogs and websites.
It has the ability to be important through Legion. If Legion comes through on the promises and what we once hoped would be in Dust at release(proper core mechanics, P2P Market, strong EVE-connection, etc), it would become important again.
Really, his statement didn't add much to the discussion other than his opinion. I wanted him to elaborate on his opinion because he probably has something to say, albeit most likely negative, that would elevate and enhance my personal opinion and belief in Dust and Legion.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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