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Cat Merc wrote:

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Looking at the pistols alone, it looks like you completely forgot that the SCP has a MASSIVE headshot bonus that overshadows any advantage any of the other pistols have.

Looking at the SMG.... still king... in every way.

Pistols in general are still terrible. There is no reason to use one instead of an SMG, except for maybe the Flaylock, because it will be a kill-viable equipment clearer now.

I've said it before. Pistols should be high DPS, low Magazine size, and unforgiving of missed shots. The very opposite of spray n pray.
SMGs should be all about spray n pray.

Still, it looks to me that the IoP will be the best pistol now. Oversampling will cut the practical DPS of the ScP in half, and the fact that the IoP will have enough RoF to prevent oversampling for the most part is a larger advantage than the headshot multiplier will ever be.

Tl;dr
Pistols are still ****, across the board. SMGs still the best, with the Breach SMG looking to be the best sidearm due to its increased ammo efficiency.

Meh, doubt that the IoP will be the best.
That headshot multiplier cannot be underestimated.
And the ROF isn't quite high enough to not have oversampling.
TAR has 400RPM and I still oversample it HARD, I don't think an extra 50RPM will turn it from HARD to None.


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Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 272	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:59:00 - [1] - Quote Disappointed. Guess I'm dropping the ScP for the IoP. Can't stand low RoF.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 272	Posted - 2014.09.16 17:19:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Disappointed. Guess I'm dropping the ScP for the IoP. Can't stand low RoF. It was nerfed by 30% back in the day, now it's buffed by 15%. It used to be OP you know. The Assault ScP with 500+ RoF was OP. The regular one that had 425 RoF wasn't. The wildly powerful ScP operation skill also had/has a lot to do with it as well. It should be changed to something less... crutchy... 8 rounds per mag is enough.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 273	Posted - 2014.09.16 20:29:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Looking at the pistols alone, it looks like you completely forgot that the SCP has a MASSIVE headshot bonus that overshadows any advantage any of the other pistols have. Looking at the SMG.... still king... in every way. Pistols in general are still terrible. There is no reason to use one instead of an SMG, except for maybe the Flaylock, because it will be a kill-viable equipment clearer now. I've said it before. Pistols should be high DPS, low Magazine size, and unforgiving of missed shots. The very opposite of spray n pray. SMGs should be all about spray n pray. Still, it looks to me that the IoP will be the best pistol now. Oversampling will cut the practical DPS of the ScP in half, and the fact that the IoP will have enough RoF to prevent oversampling for the most part is a larger advantage than the headshot multiplier will ever be. Tl;dr Pistols are still ****, across the board. SMGs still the best, with the Breach SMG looking to be the best sidearm due to its increased ammo efficiency.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 274	Posted - 2014.09.16 21:33:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Looking at the pistols alone, it looks like you completely forgot that the SCP has a MASSIVE headshot bonus that overshadows any advantage any of the other pistols have. Looking at the SMG.... still king... in every way. Pistols in general are still terrible. There is no reason to use one instead of an SMG, except for maybe the Flaylock, because it will be a kill-viable equipment clearer now. I've said it before. Pistols should be high DPS, low Magazine size, and unforgiving of missed shots. The very opposite of spray n pray. SMGs should be all about spray n pray. Still, it looks to me that the IoP will be the best pistol now. Oversampling will cut the practical DPS of the ScP in half, and the fact that the IoP will have enough RoF to prevent oversampling for the most part is a larger advantage than the headshot multiplier will ever be. Tl;dr Pistols are still ****, across the board. SMGs still the best, with the Breach SMG looking to be the best sidearm due to its increased ammo efficiency. Meh, doubt that the IoP will be the best. That headshot multiplier cannot be underestimated. And the ROF isn't quite high enough to not have oversampling. TAR has 400RPM and I still oversample it HARD, I don't think an extra 50RPM will turn it from HARD to None. I said mostly. It will still os, but much less frequently. I think the RoF on all hitscan semiautomatics should be equalized to 600, even the sniper. The limiting factor for a semiautomatic should be its kick, not an artificial feeling RoF limiter. If you want me to fire slower with a weapon, make it kick. That way, I'll fire when the weapon is back on target, and not oversample because there is no way to know when the weapon is ready to go again.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 276	Posted - 2014.09.17 02:10:00 - [5] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Erm i dont want to spoil it but what exactly is the bolt pistol good for? ive compared it with the breach scrambler pistol. So lets compare the proto bolt pistol wtith the standard scrambler pistol. Bolt pisto (proto!): -Rate of fire =150 -damage= 154.35HP -clip size= 6 -CPU= 55 -PG= 10 Brech scrambler pistol (standard): -Rate of fire= 150 -damage= 180HP -clip size= 6 -CPU= 28 -PG= 7 So please explain me why the hell should i spec into bolt pistols? Scrambler pistols aswell gain like 400% headshot bonus which no other gun in the game has, ther operation adds +1 round to the clip and i dont need to worry about the spool up time from the bolt pistol. So the breach scrambler is easy to fit, does more damage, has a bigger clip size (with the skillbook) and handles better (point and shot) -Longer Range -Better Damage Profile. Less extreme and armor focused is better. -Fully Automatic. No oversampling. A Bolt Pistol user get their full DPS 100% of the time, while a Breach ScP user almost never gets their full DPS for more than 2 consecutive shots on occasion. Those are three reasons to use a Bolt Pistol over a Breach ScP.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 277	Posted - 2014.09.17 06:45:00 - [6] - Quote Bolt Pistol is now an automatic weapon that does 625+ DPS. Me:"I know I've always ignored you, Bolt Pistol, I guess I never really saw why some people were drawn to you, but your beautiful now. I've always seen you from a distance, and anytime we tried to get close, something drove us apart. Wanna go have some fun tonight? Bolt Pistol: [blushes] "Y-yes, Senpai... I've been waiting so long for you to ask me!"