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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.09.14 00:30:00 -
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They have no roles were balancing vehicles around nothing could we at the very least get a primary role for them before buffin/nerfing them? Because ATM tanks and Ads's are slayers which I'm not sure if thats how it was intended correct me if I'm wrong.
Caldari Loyalist
I speak for the rabbits
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
61
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Posted - 2014.09.14 00:33:00 -
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They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. |
JudgeIsABadPilot
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2014.09.14 00:35:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:They have no roles were balancing vehicles around nothing could we at the very least get a primary role for them before buffin/nerfing them? Because ATM tanks and Ads's are slayers which I'm not sure if thats how it was intended correct me if I'm wrong. Lol
I think you've been playing a different game. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
860
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:27:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:They have no roles were balancing vehicles around nothing could we at the very least get a primary role for them before buffin/nerfing them? Because ATM tanks and Ads's are slayers which I'm not sure if thats how it was intended correct me if I'm wrong. theya re nothing but the basic models.. there is more advanced models like the maurauders and so on but they were removed casue HAVs and the more advanced dropships were more OP then you would believe
[[LogiBro in Training]]
Level 1 Forum Pariah
What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
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Michael Arck
5549
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:31:00 -
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Dammit, I thought you would say that they have no alarms. I always hit my remote keylock as soon as I step indoors of a Gallente installation.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Foehammerr
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
41
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:45:00 -
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Well, I fly Grimsneses, and they make great infantry support Platforms. Their flexibility and low cost make them ideal for ground support.
Rangers Lead The Way!
Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
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Roger Cordill
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
419
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:58:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms.
So I am supposed to support your slaying? No. That's not good enough. All vehicles shouldn't just support you. |
Roger Cordill
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
419
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Posted - 2014.09.14 01:59:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:They have no roles were balancing vehicles around nothing could we at the very least get a primary role for them before buffin/nerfing them? Because ATM tanks and Ads's are slayers which I'm not sure if thats how it was intended correct me if I'm wrong. theya re nothing but the basic models.. there is more advanced models like the maurauders and so on but they were removed casue HAVs and the more advanced dropships were more OP then you would believe
The LDS (the only other T II DS released so far) was OP? LOL |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
2016
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Posted - 2014.09.14 04:33:00 -
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The whole damn game has been turned into one big arena rumble. Is it any surprise? The day they added cloaks is the day this game ceased to be approaching anything resembling a ground combat game with meaningful roles.
Legion.
Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1055
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Posted - 2014.09.14 05:02:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. But when you use them as infantry support, the infantry around it is not willing to protect it, because it doesn't offer them any benefits, infantry kills infantry much faster and better. Infantry doesn't need to concern themselves with enemy turrets or vehicles.
When I use my ADS as infantry support I get shot down by friendly forges cause infantry doesn't like the idea of me taking their potential kills even if I only kill those that are flanking my blueberries.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1185
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Posted - 2014.09.14 05:58:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:They have no roles were balancing vehicles around nothing could we at the very least get a primary role for them before buffin/nerfing them? Because ATM tanks and Ads's are slayers which I'm not sure if thats how it was intended correct me if I'm wrong. theya re nothing but the basic models.. there is more advanced models like the maurauders and so on but they were removed casue HAVs and the more advanced dropships were more OP then you would believe I think your kind of exaggerating , the only OP vehicle that you could truly say were the logistic LAV's and that was because of their resistance bonus .
Swarms and Forges were powerful back then and rails were at 600 m , so you had plenty of options for anti-vehicle ... it was just that too many players complained about it then were willing to do something about it , like use anti-vehicle weapons .
Now a days you have more people that are skilled into anti-vehicle weapons like swarms at least .
You had A .V. squads back then but they were more or less coordinated .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1185
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Posted - 2014.09.14 06:05:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote: But when you use them as infantry support, the infantry around it is not willing to protect it, because it doesn't offer them any benefits, infantry kills infantry much faster and better. Infantry doesn't need to concern themselves with enemy turrets or vehicles.
When I use my ADS as infantry support I get shot down by friendly forges cause infantry doesn't like the idea of me taking their potential kills even if I only kill those that are flanking my blueberries.
How many players understand the simple premise of " cover fire " in support of their team mates ..??.. , if your not in or on their squad it's truly sad ... I have watched players just sit there and watch their team mate die meters from them , while I killed that player and just stand there like their not next . I'm thinking in my mind , " Why didn't you help ??? " but what could I say because I don't squad up and I have the same problem .. like people don't understand the concept of team .
I just can not understand that .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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Orphan Shadow
Waiting For Deployment
8
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Posted - 2014.09.14 09:16:00 -
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DS role: drop links in ridiculous places LAV role: taxi heavy with Burst HMG to basically anywhere Tank role: provide ridiculous WPs to AVers
And done. What's to balance? |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13273
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Posted - 2014.09.14 10:18:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:They have no roles were balancing vehicles around nothing could we at the very least get a primary role for them before buffin/nerfing them? Because ATM tanks and Ads's are slayers which I'm not sure if thats how it was intended correct me if I'm wrong.
Good ******* lord it took you this long to realise?
"We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1875
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Posted - 2014.09.14 12:14:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. I'm all for that but we would have to add in some way for these support ships to make wp. If you think pilots will be happy playing a support role, not getting paid enough for it, and getting shot down and loosing hundreds of thousands of isk you're dead wrong.
Master Skyshark rider
Kaalaka dakka tamer
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3511
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Posted - 2014.09.14 12:32:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. So I am supposed to support your slaying? No. That's not good enough. All vehicles shouldn't just support you.
No you don't support slaying. You support troop movement, battle lines, logisitcs efforts that kind of thing.
You provide a spearhead in an Assault. You provide mobile cover for staggered movement across flat open terrain You provide suppression against enemy infantry You provide LOS Artillery support You provide Troop Transport (in extreme circumstances) You provide Anti-Vehicle duties (LAV's, DS, HAV's) You provide distraction and diversion
This game is not about 'slaying' and as we reach a more nirvana state of balance this will become more apparent.
We already have Scouts and Point-man Assaults, who relay the defensive structure of the enemies NULL Cannons. We already have Sentinels who let no man reach his line. We already have Logistics who maintain the front line. We already have Assaults who push that line forward.
Slaying is not a role in this game, you can play a match and only loose 12 clones, but still loose, I've seen it happen. Slaying is simply an action that must be performed by certain classes in order to fulfill their primary role.
HAV's which are categorised as 'Close Infantry Ground Support' do not need to slay on a regular basis, however it is a nice reward of 50WP when you do.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1057
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Posted - 2014.09.14 13:11:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. So I am supposed to support your slaying? No. That's not good enough. All vehicles shouldn't just support you. No you don't support slaying. You support troop movement, battle lines, logisitcs efforts that kind of thing. No logi vehicles / modules anymore.You provide a spearhead in an Assault. Which is negated by getting hit by AV once or twice, infantry aint gonna pay.You provide mobile cover for staggered movement across flat open terrain Same as above.You provide suppression against enemy infantry Unless you are using rail, that suppressions is negated by accuracy.You provide LOS Artillery support What?You provide Troop Transport (in extreme circumstances) Useless if you don't know where your bluberries wanna go.You provide Anti-Vehicle duties (LAV's, DS, HAV's) If vehicles are for infantry support, there is no need for this.You provide distraction and diversion Aye, but blueberries can't make use of that.This game is not about 'slaying' and as we reach a more nirvana state of balance this will become more apparent. We already have Scouts and Point-man Assaults, who relay the defensive structure of the enemies NULL Cannons. We already have Sentinels who let no man reach his line. We already have Logistics who maintain the front line. We already have Assaults who push that line forward. Slaying is not a role in this game, you can play a match and only loose 12 clones, but still loose, I've seen it happen. Slaying is simply an action that must be performed by certain classes in order to fulfill their primary role. HAV's which are categorised as 'Close Infantry Ground Support' do not need to slay on a regular basis, however it is a nice reward of 50WP when you do. Seriously, nobody is gonna use expensive vehicles for stuff that awards no WP, especially when nobody wants you there if you are trying to be helpful in creative ways instead of just murdering reds and defending/pushing objectives. 'Close Infantry Ground Support' does not necessarily mean not killing things, it can mean that the enemy has to adjust to the HAV and that means infantry can easily kill the AV players, which doesn't happen, blues rather get some popcorn and watch the blue HAV get destroyed than killing those AV players. You have no sympathy for us, why should we have any sympathy for you?
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
67
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:42:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. But when you use them as infantry support, the infantry around it is not willing to protect it, because it doesn't offer them any benefits, infantry kills infantry much faster and better. Infantry doesn't need to concern themselves with enemy turrets or vehicles. When I use my ADS as infantry support I get shot down by friendly forges cause infantry doesn't like the idea of me taking their potential kills even if I only kill those that are flanking my blueberries. Then I guess that means you need a squad or stay in a group. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
1221
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:56:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms.
name the pilot who is complaining? the only complaining done around here is from wah crybaby infantry.
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1058
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:56:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. But when you use them as infantry support, the infantry around it is not willing to protect it, because it doesn't offer them any benefits, infantry kills infantry much faster and better. Infantry doesn't need to concern themselves with enemy turrets or vehicles. When I use my ADS as infantry support I get shot down by friendly forges cause infantry doesn't like the idea of me taking their potential kills even if I only kill those that are flanking my blueberries. Then I guess that means you need a squad or stay in a group. No sane minded squad will play the game around your tank, and no sane minded infantry is gonna stay out in the open where they cannot do much at all. Infantry doesn't have to stay out in the open like vehicles do.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
1221
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:01:00 -
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most infantry i meet actually insist on staying out in the open and then run to cry nerf here when they get killed
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13276
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:05:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. But when you use them as infantry support, the infantry around it is not willing to protect it, because it doesn't offer them any benefits, infantry kills infantry much faster and better. Infantry doesn't need to concern themselves with enemy turrets or vehicles. When I use my ADS as infantry support I get shot down by friendly forges cause infantry doesn't like the idea of me taking their potential kills even if I only kill those that are flanking my blueberries. Then I guess that means you need a squad or stay in a group. No sane minded squad will play the game around your tank, and no sane minded infantry is gonna stay out in the open where they cannot do much at all. Infantry doesn't have to stay out in the open like vehicles do.
Yup infantry don't want to play around vehicles, they want vehicles to play around them. Its the same with turrets and important installations. Infantry wont protect them, they never do.
"We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1058
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:18:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. But when you use them as infantry support, the infantry around it is not willing to protect it, because it doesn't offer them any benefits, infantry kills infantry much faster and better. Infantry doesn't need to concern themselves with enemy turrets or vehicles. When I use my ADS as infantry support I get shot down by friendly forges cause infantry doesn't like the idea of me taking their potential kills even if I only kill those that are flanking my blueberries. Then I guess that means you need a squad or stay in a group. No sane minded squad will play the game around your tank, and no sane minded infantry is gonna stay out in the open where they cannot do much at all. Infantry doesn't have to stay out in the open like vehicles do. Yup infantry don't want to play around vehicles, they want vehicles to play around them. Its the same with turrets and important installations. Infantry wont protect them, they never do. Yeah, whenever I get near infantry with the intention to provide them with cover and covering fire they instantly scatter away from that location as if I am some sort of an abomination. And then they get on the forums to tell us that we need to play the game for them. When in reality they don't want us anywhere near them. At least they could try being honest for once. I always play for victory and my team instead of going for KDR or ISK efficiency or anything like that, but if I die protecting something that could turn the tide of the battle that blueberries don't seem to be giving a frak about then I get fanmail saying that I'm scrub with no gungame.
But what infantry really wants is all the kills for themselves and auto victory without playing the objective game.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13277
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:21:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote: Yeah, whenever I get near infantry with the intention to provide them with cover and covering fire they instantly scatter away from that location as if I am some sort of an abomination. And then they get on the forums to tell us that we need to play the game for them. When in reality they don't want us anywhere near them. At least they could try being honest for once. I always play for victory and my team instead of going for KDR or ISK efficiency or anything like that, but if I die protecting something that could turn the tide of the battle that blueberries don't seem to be giving a frak about then I get fanmail saying that I'm scrub with no gungame.
But what infantry really wants is all the kills for themselves and auto victory without playing the objective game.
Considering I often pumped my HAV up to a whopping 600K ISK for them, both as an Anti Tank vehicle, bunker/weapons platform, and mobile troop transport...... that attitude really hurt my feelings.
"We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
1222
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:25:00 -
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i sent a random blueberry a good job mail for killing a hav and lav from my gorgon in a pub and he dissed me for not hacking points
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
914
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:35:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms.
Infantry support is such a stupid concept. Why support infantry when you can be infantry and kick ass?
Tanks are mean't to kill so infantry don't have to. If that is what you mean, then I agree.
Tanks can't really do anything other than kill.
Sagaris lover!!!
Commando <3
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1058
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:40:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote: Yeah, whenever I get near infantry with the intention to provide them with cover and covering fire they instantly scatter away from that location as if I am some sort of an abomination. And then they get on the forums to tell us that we need to play the game for them. When in reality they don't want us anywhere near them. At least they could try being honest for once. I always play for victory and my team instead of going for KDR or ISK efficiency or anything like that, but if I die protecting something that could turn the tide of the battle that blueberries don't seem to be giving a frak about then I get fanmail saying that I'm scrub with no gungame.
But what infantry really wants is all the kills for themselves and auto victory without playing the objective game.
Considering I often pumped my HAV up to a whopping 600K ISK for them, both as an Anti Tank vehicle, bunker/weapons platform, and mobile troop transport...... that attitude really hurt my feelings. Yeah, I've kind of stopped caring about blueberries because they are so ungrateful, unless they happen to be some people I know, for example I must say that ResistanceGTA and his friends can be great blueberries, they know what tank support means, it goes both ways, they kept me alive and I kept them alive. More so they kept me alive tbh. But still, when I saw them assisting me I really wanted to help them in any way I can and then that resulted in me dying in the redline because I was too stupid to get stuck there, and I didn't even have to go there in the first place.
And when I play in a squad I love it when infantry tells me in the comms where I'm needed and possibly what for and what I need to look out for on the field.
For example "Hey you stupid fraking idiot, we need you here at Echo to take out the enemy [insert type] tank" To which I reply with "Alright, on my way" or "I'll get there as soon as I can" or something like that. Or they could be saying "Watch out for the enemy Incubus"
But when everyone is completely silent in the comms not caring about the vehicle support in any way is a bit depressing and then I will most likely stay around one area defending it with the best of my abilities.
There are some very rare occasions when infantry wants to use me as cover and they usually let me know in the comms if they want to do that, and the also usually understand if I say that I have to bail because of X.
So if blueberries want me to help them, they should help me in return as well, and show that they appreciate me helping them, by sticking close to me if possible, I will then provide you with all the help I can to push for an objective or defend one. But if you are not engaging that pesky AV player when there are no other enemies around, I will leave you there to die.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13277
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:52:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:True Adamance wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote: Yeah, whenever I get near infantry with the intention to provide them with cover and covering fire they instantly scatter away from that location as if I am some sort of an abomination. And then they get on the forums to tell us that we need to play the game for them. When in reality they don't want us anywhere near them. At least they could try being honest for once. I always play for victory and my team instead of going for KDR or ISK efficiency or anything like that, but if I die protecting something that could turn the tide of the battle that blueberries don't seem to be giving a frak about then I get fanmail saying that I'm scrub with no gungame.
But what infantry really wants is all the kills for themselves and auto victory without playing the objective game.
Considering I often pumped my HAV up to a whopping 600K ISK for them, both as an Anti Tank vehicle, bunker/weapons platform, and mobile troop transport...... that attitude really hurt my feelings. Yeah, I've kind of stopped caring about blueberries because they are so ungrateful, unless they happen to be some people I know, for example I must say that ResistanceGTA and his friends can be great blueberries, they know what tank support means, it goes both ways, they kept me alive and I kept them alive. More so they kept me alive tbh. But still, when I saw them assisting me I really wanted to help them in any way I can and then that resulted in me dying in the redline because I was too stupid to get stuck there, and I didn't even have to go there in the first place. And when I play in a squad I love it when infantry tells me in the comms where I'm needed and possibly what for and what I need to look out for on the field. For example "Hey you stupid fraking idiot, we need you here at Echo to take out the enemy [insert type] tank" To which I reply with "Alright, on my way" or "I'll get there as soon as I can" or something like that. Or they could be saying "Watch out for the enemy Incubus" But when everyone is completely silent in the comms not caring about the vehicle support in any way is a bit depressing and then I will most likely stay around one area defending it with the best of my abilities. There are some very rare occasions when infantry wants to use me as cover and they usually let me know in the comms if they want to do that, and the also usually understand if I say that I have to bail because of X. So if blueberries want me to help them, they should help me in return as well, and show that they appreciate me helping them, by sticking close to me if possible, I will then provide you with all the help I can to push for an objective or defend one. But if you are not engaging that pesky AV player when there are no other enemies around, I will leave you there to die.
You know the feels well tankbro.
But you rarely get that. We used to have moments of.
Team: True we need you at X to take out a tank! NOW! True: What kind of Tank? Team:Who cares? True: I do. Team: Shield True: What kind of shield tank? Team: Really? True: Yup. What kind of turret? Team: Blaster. True: You could have said that 30 seconds ago.......
"We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1058
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:57:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:True Adamance wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote: Yeah, whenever I get near infantry with the intention to provide them with cover and covering fire they instantly scatter away from that location as if I am some sort of an abomination. And then they get on the forums to tell us that we need to play the game for them. When in reality they don't want us anywhere near them. At least they could try being honest for once. I always play for victory and my team instead of going for KDR or ISK efficiency or anything like that, but if I die protecting something that could turn the tide of the battle that blueberries don't seem to be giving a frak about then I get fanmail saying that I'm scrub with no gungame.
But what infantry really wants is all the kills for themselves and auto victory without playing the objective game.
Considering I often pumped my HAV up to a whopping 600K ISK for them, both as an Anti Tank vehicle, bunker/weapons platform, and mobile troop transport...... that attitude really hurt my feelings. Yeah, I've kind of stopped caring about blueberries because they are so ungrateful, unless they happen to be some people I know, for example I must say that ResistanceGTA and his friends can be great blueberries, they know what tank support means, it goes both ways, they kept me alive and I kept them alive. More so they kept me alive tbh. But still, when I saw them assisting me I really wanted to help them in any way I can and then that resulted in me dying in the redline because I was too stupid to get stuck there, and I didn't even have to go there in the first place. And when I play in a squad I love it when infantry tells me in the comms where I'm needed and possibly what for and what I need to look out for on the field. For example "Hey you stupid fraking idiot, we need you here at Echo to take out the enemy [insert type] tank" To which I reply with "Alright, on my way" or "I'll get there as soon as I can" or something like that. Or they could be saying "Watch out for the enemy Incubus" But when everyone is completely silent in the comms not caring about the vehicle support in any way is a bit depressing and then I will most likely stay around one area defending it with the best of my abilities. There are some very rare occasions when infantry wants to use me as cover and they usually let me know in the comms if they want to do that, and the also usually understand if I say that I have to bail because of X. So if blueberries want me to help them, they should help me in return as well, and show that they appreciate me helping them, by sticking close to me if possible, I will then provide you with all the help I can to push for an objective or defend one. But if you are not engaging that pesky AV player when there are no other enemies around, I will leave you there to die. You know the feels well tankbro. But you rarely get that. We used to have moments of. Team: True we need you at X to take out a tank! NOW! True: What kind of Tank? Team:Who cares? True: I do. Team: Shield True: What kind of shield tank? Team: Really? True: Yup. What kind of turret? Team: Blaster. True: You could have said that 30 seconds ago....... The feels. You feel it too, don't you? I know this type of situation better than I'd like to.
Or it could go like this: Squad: Enemy tank. Me: What kind of tank and where? Squad: I dunno. Me: Well, where is it? Squad: I said I dunno. Me: Ok, and you don't know what kind of tank it is? Squad: Yeah...... I told you so already. Me: Ok....
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. Tanks can't support infantry, if infantry doesn't have a fear of being killed by one.
If it can't be a slayer, it cannot support in open ground engagements... But people like to blind themselves to the fact that a tank, cannot engage inside of a socket. It can only be effective on the open fields. But so many people wan their suits to be the perfect response in all situations, it's absolutely absurd.
Currently the lifespan of a tank is less than 5 minutes, so you cannot claim it to be a "slayer" when dropsuits that get 40+ kills can live for an average of 20 minutes.
In fact, you don't even have the wide variety of impact that a player has.... such as with dropsuits... for tanks. What do I mean by this? Dropsuits, one player can get only 2 kills in a suit, but another can get 40+ in that same suit.
Tanks.... well the kill ratios are closer to maxing out at 10 per run, because by then they are either focus killed, or they had to retreat. If someone gets higher than 10 per tank life, the simple answer is that people were just spamming their suits in front of the tank to taunt it, and failing.
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