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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.09.15 01:33:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:True Adamance wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:True Adamance wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:
Yeah, whenever I get near infantry with the intention to provide them with cover and covering fire they instantly scatter away from that location as if I am some sort of an abomination. And then they get on the forums to tell us that we need to play the game for them. When in reality they don't want us anywhere near them. At least they could try being honest for once. I always play for victory and my team instead of going for KDR or ISK efficiency or anything like that, but if I die protecting something that could turn the tide of the battle that blueberries don't seem to be giving a frak about then I get fanmail saying that I'm scrub with no gungame.
But what infantry really wants is all the kills for themselves and auto victory without playing the objective game.
Considering I often pumped my HAV up to a whopping 600K ISK for them, both as an Anti Tank vehicle, bunker/weapons platform, and mobile troop transport...... that attitude really hurt my feelings. Yeah, I've kind of stopped caring about blueberries because they are so ungrateful, unless they happen to be some people I know, for example I must say that ResistanceGTA and his friends can be great blueberries, they know what tank support means, it goes both ways, they kept me alive and I kept them alive. More so they kept me alive tbh. But still, when I saw them assisting me I really wanted to help them in any way I can and then that resulted in me dying in the redline because I was too stupid to get stuck there, and I didn't even have to go there in the first place. And when I play in a squad I love it when infantry tells me in the comms where I'm needed and possibly what for and what I need to look out for on the field. For example "Hey you stupid fraking idiot, we need you here at Echo to take out the enemy [insert type] tank" To which I reply with "Alright, on my way" or "I'll get there as soon as I can" or something like that. Or they could be saying "Watch out for the enemy Incubus" But when everyone is completely silent in the comms not caring about the vehicle support in any way is a bit depressing and then I will most likely stay around one area defending it with the best of my abilities. There are some very rare occasions when infantry wants to use me as cover and they usually let me know in the comms if they want to do that, and the also usually understand if I say that I have to bail because of X. So if blueberries want me to help them, they should help me in return as well, and show that they appreciate me helping them, by sticking close to me if possible, I will then provide you with all the help I can to push for an objective or defend one. But if you are not engaging that pesky AV player when there are no other enemies around, I will leave you there to die. You know the feels well tankbro. But you rarely get that. We used to have moments of. Team: True we need you at X to take out a tank! NOW! True: What kind of Tank? Team:Who cares? True: I do. Team: Shield True: What kind of shield tank? Team: Really? True: Yup. What kind of turret? Team: Blaster. True: You could have said that 30 seconds ago....... The feels. You feel it too, don't you?  I know this type of situation better than I'd like to. Or it could go like this: Squad: Enemy tank. Me: What kind of tank and where? Squad: I dunno. Me: Well, where is it? Squad: I said I dunno. Me: Ok, and you don't know what kind of tank it is? Squad: Yeah...... I told you so already. Me: Ok....
You could also go with the ever popular
Team: TANK!
True: Where?
Team: By ______!
True: Type?
Team: Shield Blaster.
*Rolls up in a Maddy and explodes
True: That was a Missile Tank.................
"We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1059
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Posted - 2014.09.15 13:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
You could also go with the ever popular
Team: TANK!
True: Where?
Team: By ______!
True: Type?
Team: Shield Blaster.
*Rolls up in a Maddy and explodes
True: That was a Missile Tank.................
"But it looked like a blaster to me"
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JudgeIsABadPilot
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.15 15:49:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:most infantry i meet actually insist on staying out in the open and then run to cry nerf here when they get killed
Of course, because you can't fix stupid. |
Tebu Gan
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1200
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Posted - 2014.09.15 16:42:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms.
This is well and good, but it's been proven already via the Large blaster nerf (which was undone to an extent) that tanks WON'T have a role.
I mean did anyone notice how tanks basically disappeared when they nerfed that large blaster. Sure gunners is a novel idea, but those 2 infantry in a tank are put to far better use slaying on the ground. Tanks killing other tanks is pointless when said tanks are not any threat to infantry.
Not to mention AV does that job MUCH better.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7566
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Posted - 2014.09.15 16:53:00 -
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So we have Tanks that are supposed to be just for AV and not at all meant for infantry....So tanks are just meant to take out vehicles then?
If that's the case tanks need a small coaxial weapon because that very concept is silly.
The only vehicles left to take out infantry are the ADS because Normal Dropships are near useless and LAVs are way too easy to get shot out of in the gunner seat and can easily be taken out by infantry carried AV.
Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks
Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1060
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:38:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:So we have Tanks that are supposed to be just for AV and not at all meant for infantry....So tanks are just meant to take out vehicles then?
If that's the case tanks need a small coaxial weapon because that very concept is silly.
The only vehicles left to take out infantry are the ADS because Normal Dropships are near useless and LAVs are way too easy to get shot out of in the gunner seat and can easily be taken out by infantry carried AV.
Small coaxial rail, yes, oh my god, give me that!
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3523
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:44:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:They should just be infantry support. At least if they did that for a change instead of all going one man army they wouldn't complain about being killed by the few people who put points into forge guns or swarms. So I am supposed to support your slaying? No. That's not good enough. All vehicles shouldn't just support you. No you don't support slaying. You support troop movement, battle lines, logisitcs efforts that kind of thing. No logi vehicles / modules anymore.Logistics: the detailed coordination of a complex operation involving many people (troops), facilities (Scanners/Cannon), or supplies(mcru). You're thinking of the old triage modules.You provide a spearhead in an Assault. Which is negated by getting hit by AV once or twice, infantry aint gonna pay.Once or twice are driving a glass cannon fit all the time? Secondly that is the job of a spearhead, breach the defenses and retreat so the cannon fodder can now pile through the gaping hole in the defence.You provide mobile cover for staggered movement across flat open terrain Same as above.retreating is not a problem, by the time you need to retreat, the enemy team will have be at a lower force strength making advancement easier.You provide suppression against enemy infantry Unless you are using rail, that suppressions is negated by accuracy.If your attempting to suppress people with a Large Railgun, you might be beyond help, Rails occupy a different roleYou provide LOS Artillery support What?You use a railgun at long range to bombard high value targets that are close to the battle linesYou provide Troop Transport (in extreme circumstances) Useless if you don't know where your bluberries wanna go.If they are that blue, just drop them near the frontline, they'll get out when they smell blood, otherwise continue on your way and they will jump out when necessaryYou provide Anti-Vehicle duties (LAV's, DS, HAV's) If vehicles are for infantry support, there is no need for this.So removing the enemies support is pointless? Cutting them of from everything above is useless?You provide distraction and diversion Aye, but blueberries can't make use of that.They make much more use of it then you will probably ever realise.This game is not about 'slaying' and as we reach a more nirvana state of balance this will become more apparent. We already have Scouts and Point-man Assaults, who relay the defensive structure of the enemies NULL Cannons. We already have Sentinels who let no man reach his line. We already have Logistics who maintain the front line. We already have Assaults who push that line forward. Slaying is not a role in this game, you can play a match and only loose 12 clones, but still loose, I've seen it happen. Slaying is simply an action that must be performed by certain classes in order to fulfill their primary role. HAV's which are categorised as 'Close Infantry Ground Support' do not need to slay on a regular basis, however it is a nice reward of 50WP when you do. Seriously, nobody is gonna use expensive vehicles for stuff that awards no WP, I'd love to give you WP for doing all that stuff.
especially when nobody wants you there if you are trying to be helpful in creative ways instead of just murdering reds and defending/pushing objectives.
define creative, that makes it sound like your just blocking the entrance on Line Harvest or shooting redline installations on Manus Peak, if you are actually helpful, we will be grateful.
'Close Infantry Ground Support' does not necessarily mean not killing things, That's what I'm saying, because it also doesn't mean you HAVE to kill things.
it can mean that the enemy has to adjust to the HAV and that means infantry can easily kill the AV players, which doesn't happen, blues rather get some popcorn and watch the blue HAV get destroyed than killing those AV players.
You need better blues (matchmaking) I have played with some exquisite team players, always prioritise the AV when Assaulting a posistion and never complain when they need to pull out.
Your opinion is biased because of your poor experience, I've seen scores of blues suddenly carve through a stacked squad because they had to scuttle after a tank rammed himself into their little hidey hole.
You have no sympathy for us, why should we have any sympathy for you?I have empathy, I understand some of the challenges you face after all I'm an ADS pilot. But I've helped my team win more matches by suppressing the Enemy logisitcs efforts than I ever could mudering reds on the front line.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Joel II X
Kool Kids Klub VIP
3438
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Posted - 2014.09.16 04:13:00 -
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I miss old AV. Three Lai Dais, one explosion. |
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