Everybody wins. Experienced players get better competition and less boring stomping. New players get to actually compete instead of getting rolled and quitting (as they should). DUST's days are numbered anyways. let's make the best of the time we have.

To keep it fair you could give all players a one-time SP bonus at the same time you change the SP floor to 15 mil. The more SP a player has, the smaller the bonus. Experienced players would lose nothing and gain a much more interesting game with more evenly balanced competition and a much higher rate of good fights (and they'd get their bonus). Newer players would be greatly heartened and would be more confident and perform better in battle. They would also find it easier to join a decent corp. It would also help greatly to hook people who are just trying the game out. It would increase the player base.

You know I'm right!

+1 except the bonus ..anyone under 15 mill should be set to 15 ....congrats u just spent past few months grinding a fresh character lol

But otherwise I agree starting sp is not enought

You started off with a year's worth of SP.

Ive only been here since the end of 1.6 and i have 24 mil sp if 15 mil is a years worth then you must be slow.

Ok, hear me out. You would want a minimum SP gain for players with 15 mil SP or less. Say the minimum is 7 mil, so...

Player with 3 mil SP is bumped to 15 mil SP
7 mil SP --> 15 mil
10 mil --> 17 mil
13 mil --> 20 mil
15 mil --> 22 mil

Then for players with 16 mil SP and up, the bonus would gradually taper off, until it reaches the minimum for high SP players. Let's say that minimum is 500,000 SP. And lets say that is reached at 40 mil SP. So if you have 40 mil SP or more, you're getting an extra 500,000 SP. If your'e at 15 mil or below, you're getting 7 mil SP. If you're in the 16-39 mil SP range, you're getting somewhere between the two. So maybe something like this:

22 mil SP --> 26 mil SP
28 mil SP --> 30.5 mil SP
34 mil SP --> 35.5 mil SP

You pull 9 mil a year from passive SP, and up to 10 mil SP active if you cap out every day unboosted.
If you no-life or use boosters then sure, you'll get a little more than that. For the unboosted, average player, though, 15 mil is well within what could reasonably be expected in a year.

15 mil SP would be an understandable number to have after a year.

Passive SP
1000 SP/hr
24hr/day
24000 SP/day
365 days/yr
8,760,000 SP/year

Active SP
~190k/week
52 weeks/year
9,880,000 SP/year

Total Unboosted SP
~18,640,000 SP

Total Boosted SP (150%)
~27,960,000 SP

Pretty much.
If you don't boost, 18 mil is the absolutely maximum you pull in a year by capping out every single week.

While I absolutely support more SP for newbies, I don't think lump sums alone are the way to do it.

You end up with a lot of people not really knowing what to spend their skillpoints on. Newbies already fall prey to SP wastes like higher levels of dropsuit command. 15 mil is an awful lot to give to a newbie at once, and chances are they'll spend it all very quickly not really knowing what to spend it on.
Then, after they've spent it, they won't feel like they're progressing. There'll be no feel of progression - You started off with a year's worth of SP and even if you grind all week you'll only pull <500k.

Instead of a lump sum, you need a few things in tandem.
Firstly, you need vastly better educational support for newbies in terms of spending their skillpoints.
Secondly, you need a better designed skill tree. Skills like dropsuit command 4/5 are travesties of game design and should be axed completely.

Then, thirdly, for the increase in SP, rather than just having a sudden (very large) lump sum, give a greatly increased progression rate. Still increase the base SP (from 500k to 2 mil or something) and then give scaling bonuses to take you up to the higher SP counts. For example, start off with a 5x rate of gain and gradually slow down as you increase in total SP until eventually you're at a normal rate of gain once you have much more SP.

Pretty much.
If you don't boost, 18 mil is the absolutely maximum you pull in a year by capping out every single week.

Regardless of how much you've gotten over time, newbros need help now. They don't have any option but to play with the proto-stompers (us). Until they do CCP's progression system is broken and the gap between rich and poor is not only making the game boring, but killing player retention, and poisoning the NPE. The point is to bring new players up to speed so they can compete on a playing field that, while not flat, would no longer be a steep slope that they have to climb while we're taking potshots at them from on high.

*sleepwalks*
Mmm... 15 million SP for new characters?

So that means I could create alts forever and immediately have a protosuit and weapon to test out all the time. And proto vehicles too!

Then nobody complains about flavor of the month because everyone has it! Yay!

Munya munya....

*drifts off to sleep*

Yes, newbies do need help.

But what you have proposed here is at best a hastily constructed bandaid solution.
The problems of the new player do not begin and end with SP. There are many, many problems, which need a much more complex solution than increasing a single number.

Pretty much.
If you don't boost, 18 mil is the absolutely maximum you pull in a year by capping out every single week.

I say get over it, we all got stomped when we started, they can take their beating too.

Me me me! How come they get that and I don't get anything?! Well, Johnny, because they need it and you don't. Because the game needs a solution for newer players, a way for them to bridge the gap so that they can stop being the 0/8 guys at the bottom of the ambush screen with the name you never heard of and then leave after a week or two, cursing this game and vowing to never play another CCP game.

Face the truth people: this progression system is BROKEN. It does not work for players entering the game now or even those who started a few months ago. There is no playground for them away from us. They are stuck in the same little battlefinder with the same little community all the time. And they're the losers. They'll never come even close to our SP, and they will suffer greatly from it because SP opens up so many doors and makes a huge difference in what you're able to do in battle.

To those who b*tch about them getting something for nothing: first of all, look at the big picture. Something needs to be done to lift up these peasants and at least bring them into the middle class. We need more competition in matches! There are way too many pushovers! We need more player retention! How long do you think someone's gonna stick around after being constantly bullied? If the changed the matchmaking to separate them from us then maybe that would do it, but this is a lot easier for them to do. Seems like the have no clue how to fix matchmaking. They've failed to do so for months so.....let's try something more straightforward.

Secondly, what does it matter to you? You still would get some SP, the game would be funner, and more people would be online. This is a win for everyone.The status quo is hastening the death of the game. We all know they'll pull the plug eventually but it'll be a lot sooner if we can't find a way to get the have-nots closer to us right from the start. We're all in the same little battle finder boat. We need to take measures to right our little ship as best we can, and newbros have to be a huge focus if we're going to do that.

zzZaXxx wants something so bad, but nobody cares.

7 months players aren't vets ;)
Then I agree with the fact that newbies are having a hard time, we all did, but I dont think it's a reason why they need to be put before vets.
I've been playing for 1 and a half year, not capping everyday, with some months breaks, and I have now 30Mil sp. Trust me, these 2Mil sp are gonna be really useful for me, because no matter how much sp you have (even 60mil), you'll still need MORE!
I'm looking forward to them some prof V or new proto suits ;)

I perfectly understand your situation but believe me, new players have already been putten ahead. 1 year ago, it was absolutely impossible for a mlt/std player to kill a proto suit. IMPOSSIBRU!
Now basic rail rifle rocks even without prof at all^^
Then again I have many friends that have 60+Mil SP and, has I said, they are still looking for more suits, more passives, more prof or sidearms.. there are always things to unlock in dust. Even if it's less needed than at the beggining when you dont have anything, you'll always need more sp ;)

7 months players aren't vets ;)
Then I agree with the fact that newbies are having a hard time, we all did, but I dont think it's a reason why they need to be put before vets.
I've been playing for 1 and a half year, not capping everyday, with some months breaks, and I have now 30Mil sp. Trust me, these 2Mil sp are gonna be really useful for me, because no matter how much sp you have (even 60mil), you'll still need MORE!
I'm looking forward to them some prof V or new proto suits ;)

I almost never used boosters that's why I only have 30mil (which is not so much for a open beta vet). Why this question? :)
Of course people who have more than 50mil today bought a loooot of boosters ^^

Oh yes they are! When you only look at stats you feel like it's not gonna be a big change, but believe me it is! Then, the proto suit is not the only thing that'll make you stronger, you need passive skills. A lot of them will make any suit you'll use way better and usable to do good scores :)
It only depends on how fast you want them ;)

i want to know if they are worth it.....