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Tech De Ra
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:47:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:
If you have a mouse is so easy mode
as for horribly OP, you know how the HMG's are about 800 dps?
well this does over double that
at up to 80m range at full damage
0m-110m range effective range
its pretty silly, it was OP before it got its last buff
I've noticed a few more LR's and they do eat you up pretty quickly.
I might actually buy a 2nd keyboard for the ps3 and run kbm to show how stupid it is
it's stupid enough with a ds4, but the low framerate and lack of precision from a controller makes you miss quite a lot at long range
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:07:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:
If you have a mouse is so easy mode
as for horribly OP, you know how the HMG's are about 800 dps?
well this does over double that
at up to 80m range at full damage
0m-110m range effective range
its pretty silly, it was OP before it got its last buff
I've noticed a few more LR's and they do eat you up pretty quickly. I might actually buy a 2nd keyboard for the ps3 and run kbm to show how stupid it is it's stupid enough with a ds4, but the low framerate and lack of precision from a controller makes you miss quite a lot at long range
kb/m in general - crutch? easymode?
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Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:55:00 -
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The thing everyone glosses over with the laser rifle is inside 30m the weapon rapidly loses efficacy.
In CQC it's about as threatening as a five year old with a damp sock.
Long range its a killer. At short range hope you have a good backup weapon cuz yer screwed. |
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Posted - 2014.09.12 12:00:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:The thing everyone glosses over with the laser rifle is inside 30m the weapon rapidly loses efficacy.
In CQC it's about as threatening as a five year old with a damp sock.
Long range its a killer. At short range hope you have a good backup weapon cuz yer screwed.
So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
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Posted - 2014.09.12 12:03:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:The thing everyone glosses over with the laser rifle is inside 30m the weapon rapidly loses efficacy.
In CQC it's about as threatening as a five year old with a damp sock.
Long range its a killer. At short range hope you have a good backup weapon cuz yer screwed. So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
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Posted - 2014.09.12 12:28:00 -
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i think one of the 'safest' suits is an ADV gallente assault M/I running an Exile and Toxin SMG with packed AV nades and a standard nanohive.
its a nice balance between defense and offence, you can't be done for nade spam or 'OP' rail rifle use, you're using a rifle which can be out dps'd by pretty much every other weapon ingame (including sharp sticks and harsh language) and you're not farming points by sitting in a rep hive camping noobs as they run past you.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:19:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:The thing everyone glosses over with the laser rifle is inside 30m the weapon rapidly loses efficacy.
In CQC it's about as threatening as a five year old with a damp sock.
Long range its a killer. At short range hope you have a good backup weapon cuz yer screwed.
In CQC is still does 70% efficacy (which is still 900 dps) at 15m and 40% efficacy at 0m, you don't realise how powerful the buffs made it
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:25:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:
So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
Commando is best against single target and shield heavies due to the fast damage ramp
Assault is best against groups of enemies and armor heavies, due to the extra 20 shots they get from a heat cycle, so at the end of the clip you are literally just sweeping the beam over many people and they melt
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:38:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:Most of what I read on this forum and see on youtube and even hear on my headset when I squad with randoms - is how much of a crutch everything is. How everything is OP and anyone using anything is just on easymode..
So the questions are
What's a real man's fitting? (or a real woman's fitting)
What do I have to use to NOT get laughed out of the game for being a fumbling child?
As far as I am concerned, if you are not using a burst HMG, Thale's sniper rifle, or combat rifle you are not using a crutch.
+rr for me...as far as guns go..but then I also think scouts of every flavor deserve to be nerfed
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:44:00 -
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saxonmish wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:Most of what I read on this forum and see on youtube and even hear on my headset when I squad with randoms - is how much of a crutch everything is. How everything is OP and anyone using anything is just on easymode..
So the questions are
What's a real man's fitting? (or a real woman's fitting)
What do I have to use to NOT get laughed out of the game for being a fumbling child?
F*ck everyone else and be what you want to be, people can ***** and whine about what you use and what you do, but in the end it all boils down to jealousy. You can follow my line of things and get a proto rail rifle and max it out (which is a very good choice btw) it's not 'OP' as people say theres many ways around it but when you get used to it, its a killing machine. Get a scout suit cos if you dont you'll be shotgunned all the time, i use a cal scout atm but im venturing into the min assault cos its a beast, also i do video's on pretty much every weapon to show its killing capability my Channel is 'SAXON ON A MISH' check it out on youtube :) But yea if you hear anyone swearing at someone its cos they have skills not cos a weapon is op, this game is pretty balanced atm. I would say so (many people will disagree). I have been playing for over a year now and have gained alot of skill points and so have alot of the current playerbase, this is why people say things are op cos people have proficiency and damage mods on their weapons. like i have proficiency 5 on my rail rifle with 1 7% damage mod which gives me an additional 22% of damage to every bullet. Its not op its time and effort. But yea you dont have to get anything out what im typing i just hate the fact everyone calls things op when it is just skills. Thanks 'SAX' says the biggest crutch dude ever just kidding i have never seen you play but i would say anything with the words 6kin in front of it is a crutch and caldari scout nubs.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:44:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:
If you have a mouse is so easy mode
as for horribly OP, you know how the HMG's are about 800 dps?
well this does over double that
at up to 80m range at full damage
0m-110m range effective range
its pretty silly, it was OP before it got its last buff
I've noticed a few more LR's and they do eat you up pretty quickly. I might actually buy a 2nd keyboard for the ps3 and run kbm to show how stupid it is it's stupid enough with a ds4, but the low framerate and lack of precision from a controller makes you miss quite a lot at long range
Makes you miss allot I run lr on ds3 only and as for op no its not the lr in its area is balanced with the other long range guns...The lr and tack ar..are the only non broken long rang rifles ...Both the scr..and the rr work in cqc as well as medium and long range .Unlike the lr or TAC ar...
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:45:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:
So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
Commando is best against single target and shield heavies due to the fast damage ramp Assault is best against groups of enemies and armor heavies, due to the extra 20 shots they get from a heat cycle, so at the end of the clip you are literally just sweeping the beam over many people and they melt
You keep sounding more and more foolish dmg does not ramp up faster on a commando
Dmg mods effect LR's base dmg..Not the damage multiplier ..The same goes for the commando bonus ..your feeding this guy some serious lies lol.
The Assault is really the only way to go with lr..but if u want u can listen to Lord scrubby here ..
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Tech De Ra
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:53:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:
So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
Commando is best against single target and shield heavies due to the fast damage ramp Assault is best against groups of enemies and armor heavies, due to the extra 20 shots they get from a heat cycle, so at the end of the clip you are literally just sweeping the beam over many people and they melt You keep sounding more and more foolish dmg does not ramp up faster on a commando Dmg mods effect LR's base dmg..Not the damage multiplier ..The same goes for the commando bonus ..your feeding this guy some serious lies lol. The Assault is really the only way to go with lr..but if u want u can listen to Lord scrubby here ..
its a flat 10% bonus to damage, this applies to the ramp
While the ramp doesn't change, the bonuses after it do
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:02:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:
So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
Commando is best against single target and shield heavies due to the fast damage ramp Assault is best against groups of enemies and armor heavies, due to the extra 20 shots they get from a heat cycle, so at the end of the clip you are literally just sweeping the beam over many people and they melt You keep sounding more and more foolish dmg does not ramp up faster on a commando Dmg mods effect LR's base dmg..Not the damage multiplier ..The same goes for the commando bonus ..your feeding this guy some serious lies lol. The Assault is really the only way to go with lr..but if u want u can listen to Lord scrubby here .. its a flat 10% bonus to damage, this applies to the ramp While the ramp doesn't change, the bonuses after it do
Prove it..and show in your math how even if your right . 10% on 1.04...is better than 20 rounds more
It's not. BEtter imo.my last 20 rounds are worth more than the commando dmg.
But I still don't think it effects the multiplier ....your telling. This dude to put one of the hardest guns to use ona suit that will make it worthless lol . Your saying that commando raises viziam dmg modifier from 1.04 to 1.144..only ccp could say as the stats invisible
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Foundation Seldon
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:26:00 -
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No Equipment, Assault Rifle only, Final Destina-wait, what are we playing again?
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:36:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Prove it..and show in your math how even if your right . 10% on 1.04...is better than 20 rounds more
It's not. BEtter imo.my last 20 rounds are worth more than the commando dmg.
But I still don't think it effects the multiplier ....your telling. This dude to put one of the hardest guns to use ona suit that will make it worthless lol . Your saying that commando raises viziam dmg modifier from 1.04 to 1.144..only ccp could say as the stats invisible
Commandos raise Raw DPS for the primary weapons.
Having more "Bullets per magazine" does NOT raise DPS. Period. Ever. It raises your damage potential while retaining the same DPS, and minimizes "downtime" by prolonging the period between reloads.
If the user can aim better, the 10% DPS increase will win the firefight, if the opponent is in a prolonged firefight then the 25% increase in ammunition per magazine will be better for a firefight.
DPS =/= Magazine Size =/= Alpha
Three very different things for very different situations.
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Tech De Ra
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:42:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:
So the commando would be the ideal carrier? LR and AR sounds like the perfect match..
Commando is best against single target and shield heavies due to the fast damage ramp Assault is best against groups of enemies and armor heavies, due to the extra 20 shots they get from a heat cycle, so at the end of the clip you are literally just sweeping the beam over many people and they melt You keep sounding more and more foolish dmg does not ramp up faster on a commando Dmg mods effect LR's base dmg..Not the damage multiplier ..The same goes for the commando bonus ..your feeding this guy some serious lies lol. The Assault is really the only way to go with lr..but if u want u can listen to Lord scrubby here .. its a flat 10% bonus to damage, this applies to the ramp While the ramp doesn't change, the bonuses after it do Prove it..and show in your math how even if your right . 10% on 1.04...is better than 20 rounds more It's not. BEtter imo.my last 20 rounds are worth more than the commando dmg. But I still don't think it effects the multiplier ....your telling. This dude to put one of the hardest guns to use ona suit that will make it worthless lol . Your saying that commando raises viziam dmg modifier from 1.04 to 1.144..only ccp could say as the stats invisible
the 10% bonus on commando isnt affected by stacking, which is where your maths breaks down (otherwise you would be correct and the assault would always be better than commando)
Commando 1*1.1*1.07 = 1.177
Assault 1*1.07*1.0581*1.0364 = 1.17378 (~1.174)
so for 1/3rd of the fitting cost of the upgrades, the commando still gets about +0.5% over the assault
Generally i wouldn't use the 3rd damage mod on the assault and put something homosexual like a shield extender on, i dont think a 3% damage boost after stacking really warrents 9 PG, so i normally put something else there, at which point the commando gets +4% over the assault
now factor in the fact that the commando's single superior damage mod also applies to a 2nd weapon, its just an extremely efficient suit if you can get over the god awful speed
and yes, the 20 rounds at the end of the heat capacity is tonnes more powerful than 4%, but it takes a good amount of time for the the damage to ramp to that level, generally shield suits are dead long before that point
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:42:00 -
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Tech De
its a flat 10% bonus to damage, this applies to the ramp
While the ramp doesn't change, the bonuses after it do[/quote wrote:
Prove it..and show in your math how even if your right . 10% on 1.04...is better than 20 rounds more
It's not. BEtter imo.my last
the 10% bonus on commando isnt affected by stacking, which is where your maths breaks down (otherwise you would be correct and the assault would always be better than commando)
Commando 1*1.1*1.07 = 1.177
Assault 1*1.07*1.0581*1.0364 = 1.17378 (~1.174)
so for 1/3rd of the fitting cost of the upgrades, the commando still gets about +0.5% over the assault
Generally i wouldn't use the 3rd damage mod on the assault and put something homosexual like a shield extender on, i dont think a 3% damage boost after stacking really warrents 9 PG, so i normally put something else there, at which point the commando gets +4% over the assault
now factor in the fact that the commando's single superior damage mod also applies to a 2nd weapon, its just an extremely efficient suit if you can get over the god awful speed
and yes, the 20 rounds at the end of the heat capacity is tonnes more powerful than 4%, but it takes a good amount of time for the the damage to ramp to that level, generally shield suits are dead long before that point
Damage mods don't effect the modifier...Neither does the commando bonus
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:44:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Prove it..and show in your math how even if your right . 10% on 1.04...is better than 20 rounds more
It's not. BEtter imo.my last 20 rounds are worth more than the commando dmg. Commandos raise Raw DPS for the primary weapons. Having more "Bullets per magazine" does NOT raise DPS. It raises your damage potential while retaining the same DPS, and minimizes "downtime" by prolonging the period between reloads. If the user can aim better, the 10% DPS increase will win the firefight, if the opponent is in a prolonged firefight then the 25% increase in ammunition per magazine will be better for a firefight. DPS =/= Magazine Size =/= Alpha Three very different things for very different situations.
20 extra rounds on lr do in fact raise it's dps because it a dmg over time gun ..those last 20 rounds deal more dmg
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Tech De Ra
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:52:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Tech De
its a flat 10% bonus to damage, this applies to the ramp
While the ramp doesn't change, the bonuses after it do Prove it..and show in your math how even if your right . 10% on 1.04...is better than 20 rounds more It's not. BEtter imo.my last the 10% bonus on commando isnt affected by stacking, which is where your maths breaks down (otherwise you would be correct and the assault would always be better than commando) Commando 1*1.1*1.07 = 1.177 Assault 1*1.07*1.0581*1.0364 = 1.17378 (~1.174) so for 1/3rd of the fitting cost of the upgrades, the commando still gets about +0.5% over the assault Generally i wouldn't use the 3rd damage mod on the assault and put something homosexual like a shield extender on, i dont think a 3% damage boost after stacking really warrents 9 PG, so i normally put something else there, at which point the commando gets +4% over the assault now factor in the fact that the commando's single superior damage mod also applies to a 2nd weapon, its just an extremely efficient suit if you can get over the god awful speed and yes, the 20 rounds at the end of the heat capacity is tonnes more powerful than 4%, but it takes a good amount of time for the the damage to ramp to that level, generally shield suits are dead long before that point[/quote wrote:
Damage mods don't effect the modifier...Neither does the commando bonus
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1920473
Quote:Damage Modifier (Equipment and Skill) Efficiency
Damage mod testing and proficiency skill testing indicated that they raised the total damage according to the percent they affected damage. So they are working as expected.
This was all tested and proven that damage mods and skills affect all aspects of the laser rifle, including the beam ramp
This is even a test that YOU provided data points to, seriously mort
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:53:00 -
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After 2 complex dmg mods it's better to run 1 enhanced
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:02:00 -
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This is even a test that YOU provided data points to, seriously mort[/quote]
Doesn't matter even if your right The assault is still definitively better..20 extra rounds + it has a better tank.
And I didn't give them the stats for the lr my master did this lovely amarian slave only knows what her mistress teaches her
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Tech De Ra
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:06:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:This is even a test that YOU provided data points to, seriously mort
Doesn't matter even if your right The assault is still definitively better..20 extra rounds + it has a better tank.
And I didn't give them the stats for the lr my master did this lovely amarian slave only knows what her mistress reaches her[/quote]
Yes, i agree with you the assault is better with the 20 extra rounds
the problem is those 20 extra rounds are at the end, the small extra damage from the commando plus the bonused 2nd weapon is much more powerful vs targets that dont need those +20 rounds (non heavies basically)
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:07:00 -
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Tech De Ra wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:This is even a test that YOU provided data points to, seriously mort Doesn't matter even if your right The assault is still definitively better..20 extra rounds + it has a better tank. And I didn't give them the stats for the lr my master did this lovely amarian slave only knows what her mistress reaches her
Yes, i agree with you the assault is better with the 20 extra rounds
the problem is those 20 extra rounds are at the end, the small extra damage from the commando plus the bonused 2nd weapon is much more powerful vs targets that dont need those +20 rounds (non heavies basically)[/quote]
That's why you fire into your cover n death touch em
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:22:00 -
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saxonmish wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:Most of what I read on this forum and see on youtube and even hear on my headset when I squad with randoms - is how much of a crutch everything is. How everything is OP and anyone using anything is just on easymode..
So the questions are
What's a real man's fitting? (or a real woman's fitting)
What do I have to use to NOT get laughed out of the game for being a fumbling child?
F*ck everyone else and be what you want to be, people can ***** and whine about what you use and what you do, but in the end it all boils down to jealousy. You can follow my line of things and get a proto rail rifle and max it out (which is a very good choice btw) it's not 'OP' as people say theres many ways around it but when you get used to it, its a killing machine. Get a scout suit cos if you dont you'll be shotgunned all the time, i use a cal scout atm but im venturing into the min assault cos its a beast, also i do video's on pretty much every weapon to show its killing capability my Channel is 'SAXON ON A MISH' check it out on youtube :) But yea if you hear anyone swearing at someone its cos they have skills not cos a weapon is op, this game is pretty balanced atm. I would say so (many people will disagree). I have been playing for over a year now and have gained alot of skill points and so have alot of the current playerbase, this is why people say things are op cos people have proficiency and damage mods on their weapons. like i have proficiency 5 on my rail rifle with 1 7% damage mod which gives me an additional 22% of damage to every bullet. Its not op its time and effort. But yea you dont have to get anything out what im typing i just hate the fact everyone calls things op when it is just skills. Thanks 'SAX'
Well said saxonmish.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:48:00 -
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Real men run dragonfly scouts with only an AR. No high/low modules, no grenade, no sidearm, and certainly no equipment.
The rest of you are scrubs and rely on your OP crutches to get your kills.
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