DUST Search - Crutch vs crutch game

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Duke Noobiam wrote:

Fox Gaden wrote:

Klubba Dkc2 wrote:

I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout stabbed me.
After a while he stabbed me again.

So, tired of this, i've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and i've never seen him for the rest of the game.

This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible.

Scouts are the counter to Heavies.
Commandos are Heavies, but have far less health than Sentinels.
It must suck to encounter a Scout as a Commando.
DonGÇÖt assume that a Burst HMG will save you. A good Scout will time their strafing to your Bursts.

Edit: Also, if a Scout seeing me on his radar is called GÇ£Wall HackingGÇ¥, what is it called when I mow down a Cloaked Scout because he thought I could not see him and was not bothering to strafe?

Scouts are supposed to be suits that can avoid heavier frames, provide intel, hack objectives quickly and get out. They are not supposed to be the counter to heavies, nothing is supposed to counter heavies in CQC. Heavies are supposed to be countered with longer ranged weapons.

Scouts are only the counters to heavies because they are broken / OP right now.

You are an idiot.

Scouts are and always have been the non-heavy counter to heavies. That's why scouts excel at high alpha weapons, you know shotguns, knives and remote explosives.

The speed and stealth allows scouts to use these short range high alpha weapons to quickly kill fat suits.

I would also like to point out that if a scout kills a heavy in cqc with a different weapon than the one listed than that means he got the jump on you or you are a terrible player. You have the most hp, resistance and the most op death dealing gun in the game. Be aware of your surroundings and learn how to shoot a strafing scout.

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Klubba Dkc2 Atmospheric Pollution 16	Posted - 2014.09.10 10:01:00 - [1] - Quote I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout stabbed me. After a while he stabbed me again. So, tired of this, i've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and i've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. Klubba pay Toll
rpastry The Rainbow Effect 211	Posted - 2014.09.10 10:18:00 - [2] - Quote go play COD then [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Klubba Dkc2 Atmospheric Pollution 16	Posted - 2014.09.10 10:20:00 - [3] - Quote Just the smart answer i was waiting for... Klubba pay Toll
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 191	Posted - 2014.09.10 10:48:00 - [4] - Quote Commandos always sucked for me, even with the great bonuses. Hate that heavy frame and being stuck with Assault eHP for heavy suits stats. Proud member of Glitched Connection
Nestil uptown456 138	Posted - 2014.09.10 11:18:00 - [5] - Quote nicholas73 wrote: Commandos always sucked for me, even with the great bonuses. Hate that heavy frame and being stuck with Assault eHP for heavy suits stats. and the long shield recharge delay with a low rate... They're good when you run in squads (but which suit isn't?!) but suck when you run alone....I mean they're slow every SG scout will facerape you...you'll have change your playstyle mostly...
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2003	Posted - 2014.09.10 11:21:00 - [6] - Quote rpastry wrote: go play COD then Yeah really, go play a game that is balanced, has several titles, actually got to a point of being a well marketed title by a company that knows how to design, market and finalize a game. Forget this hackneyed crap of a game with nothing to show but bitter losers. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 126	Posted - 2014.09.10 14:28:00 - [7] - Quote Keep running that commando brother. Its definitely frustrating sometimes with the scouts but it only makes the good games that much sweeter. Dont worry the scouts day is coming
Joel II X Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3350	Posted - 2014.09.10 14:33:00 - [8] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: rpastry wrote: go play COD then Yeah really, go play a game that is balanced, has several titles, actually got to a point of being a well marketed title by a company that knows how to design, market and finalize a game. Forget this hackneyed crap of a game with nothing to show but bitter losers. Design isn't that great, but their marketing is superb. I don't know how they do it.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2955	Posted - 2014.09.10 14:45:00 - [9] - Quote Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout Going to stop you there. Dust 514 has this thing called EWAR. It is comprised of things like scan profiles, active scanners, cloaking devices, etc. EWAR is something unique to Dust 514 so I get that you are having problems understanding it... but it isn't wallhacking. Klubba Dkc2 wrote: After a while he stabbed me again. Good, good. Go on... Klubba Dkc2 wrote: So, tired of this, I've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and I've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. HMG's are excellent anti-infantry weapons. The user trades reload speed and movement speed for the ability to take out lightly tanked dropsuits like scouts quickly. Good job. You figured out how to counter a scout. Why are you ragebitching again? He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4191	Posted - 2014.09.10 14:46:00 - [10] - Quote Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout stabbed me. After a while he stabbed me again. So, tired of this, i've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and i've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. Scouts are the counter to Heavies. Commandos are Heavies, but have far less health than Sentinels. It must suck to encounter a Scout as a Commando. DonGÇÖt assume that a Burst HMG will save you. A good Scout will time their strafing to your Bursts. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

rpastry The Rainbow Effect 213	Posted - 2014.09.10 14:46:00 - [11] - Quote Klubba Dkc2 wrote: Just the smart answer i was waiting for... the smart answer? situational awareness. commandos are only good for open maps and roof camping. but then if you were smart you'd have figured that already. so I figured you were just bitching. [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 825	Posted - 2014.09.10 15:37:00 - [12] - Quote nicholas73 wrote: Commandos always sucked for me, even with the great bonuses. Hate that heavy frame and being stuck with Assault eHP for heavy suits stats. commandos dont even have assault eHP anymore.. they have aweful hp, they are slow, huge hitbox.. hardly any slots.. commandos need higher speed and a couple more slots at the least if were to tolerate the "fatness" which sentinels can deal with due to stupid high ehp and damage resists [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah What ever happened to buffing Logi eHP in Delta?!
Vesperz Inner.Hell 113	Posted - 2014.09.10 17:22:00 - [13] - Quote Okay people, move along, nothing to see here. Live by honor, kill by stealth.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3540	Posted - 2014.09.10 17:31:00 - [14] - Quote Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout stabbed me. After a while he stabbed me again. So, tired of this, i've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and i've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. Resorting to a crutch is horrible.. Get good. I run assaults 24/7 always have always will. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
JP Acuna Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 246	Posted - 2014.09.10 17:35:00 - [15] - Quote rpastry wrote: commandos are only good for open maps and roof camping. Except galmando. His weapons are not good in open maps neither for roof camping =/. I understand this situation. The other day i was failing in my proto galmando over and over again and also getting stabbed twice by the same scout so i got tired and switched to my shotgun scout and killed a lot of people, including de minscout guy. At the end of the match he sends me a mail saying "SG takes no skill"... This is the point where you get a bit bored.
Boot Booter Pure Evil. 917	Posted - 2014.09.10 17:36:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout Going to stop you there. Dust 514 has this thing called EWAR. It is comprised of things like scan profiles, active scanners, cloaking devices, etc. EWAR is something unique to Dust 514 so I get that you are having problems understanding it... but it isn't wallhacking. Klubba Dkc2 wrote: After a while he stabbed me again. Good, good. Go on... Klubba Dkc2 wrote: So, tired of this, I've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and I've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. HMG's are excellent anti-infantry weapons. The user trades reload speed and movement speed for the ability to take out lightly tanked dropsuits like scouts quickly. Good job. You figured out how to counter a scout. Why are you ragebitching again? LOL.. Yes eWar is unique. And it is also horribly broken and very similar to a wallhack. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Duke Noobiam S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 151	Posted - 2014.09.10 18:22:00 - [17] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout stabbed me. After a while he stabbed me again. So, tired of this, i've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and i've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. Scouts are the counter to Heavies. Commandos are Heavies, but have far less health than Sentinels. It must suck to encounter a Scout as a Commando. DonGÇÖt assume that a Burst HMG will save you. A good Scout will time their strafing to your Bursts. Edit: Also, if a Scout seeing me on his radar is called GÇ£Wall HackingGÇ¥, what is it called when I mow down a Cloaked Scout because he thought I could not see him and was not bothering to strafe? Scouts are supposed to be suits that can avoid heavier frames, provide intel, hack objectives quickly and get out. They are not supposed to be the counter to heavies, nothing is supposed to counter heavies in CQC. Heavies are supposed to be countered with ranged weapons. Scouts are only the counters to heavies because they are broken / OP right now. How do you kill that which has no life?
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 444	Posted - 2014.09.10 18:23:00 - [18] - Quote Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout stabbed me. After a while he stabbed me again. So, tired of this, i've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and i've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. I got knifed by a scout in my Commando suit... I shot him instead of letting him knife me again, lol... That would be your mistake. Actually on a side note there are a lot of scouts and once I saw one running at me with a knife, shot him with a breach shotgun while he was filling at least 90% of the circle... It did 0 damage... He knifed me, I shot him again... This time he died... you really gotta learn to shoot back dude, it works.
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 942	Posted - 2014.09.10 18:59:00 - [19] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout stabbed me. After a while he stabbed me again. So, tired of this, i've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and i've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. Scouts are the counter to Heavies. Commandos are Heavies, but have far less health than Sentinels. It must suck to encounter a Scout as a Commando. DonGÇÖt assume that a Burst HMG will save you. A good Scout will time their strafing to your Bursts. Edit: Also, if a Scout seeing me on his radar is called GÇ£Wall HackingGÇ¥, what is it called when I mow down a Cloaked Scout because he thought I could not see him and was not bothering to strafe? Scouts are supposed to be suits that can avoid heavier frames, provide intel, hack objectives quickly and get out. They are not supposed to be the counter to heavies, nothing is supposed to counter heavies in CQC. Heavies are supposed to be countered with longer ranged weapons. Scouts are only the counters to heavies because they are broken / OP right now. You are an idiot. Scouts are and always have been the non-heavy counter to heavies. That's why scouts excel at high alpha weapons, you know shotguns, knives and remote explosives. The speed and stealth allows scouts to use these short range high alpha weapons to quickly kill fat suits. I would also like to point out that if a scout kills a heavy in cqc with a different weapon than the one listed than that means he got the jump on you or you are a terrible player. You have the most hp, resistance and the most op death dealing gun in the game. Be aware of your surroundings and learn how to shoot a strafing scout. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 5326	Posted - 2014.09.10 19:09:00 - [20] - Quote If you're losing a Galmando to a scout in CQC...you're doing it wrong....Galmando = king of CQC King of Commandos - And Dust's #1 best dressed merc. Destiny name - FireofPrometheus PSN- jcptmo8055

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3979	Posted - 2014.09.10 19:23:00 - [21] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Edit: Also, if a Scout seeing me on his radar is called GÇ£Wall HackingGÇ¥, what is it called when I mow down a Cloaked Scout because he thought I could not see him and was not bothering to strafe? I must remember this line, and save it for future use. Remind me it is yours if I forget who I need to credit. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 601	Posted - 2014.09.10 19:33:00 - [22] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Edit: Also, if a Scout seeing me on his radar is called GÇ£Wall HackingGÇ¥, what is it called when I mow down a Cloaked Scout because he thought I could not see him and was not bothering to strafe? I must remember this line, and save it for future use. Remind me it is yours if I forget who I need to credit. Looks like you need a -> bookmark <- ! Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
Duke Noobiam S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 151	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:06:00 - [23] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout stabbed me. After a while he stabbed me again. So, tired of this, i've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and i've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. Scouts are the counter to Heavies. Commandos are Heavies, but have far less health than Sentinels. It must suck to encounter a Scout as a Commando. DonGÇÖt assume that a Burst HMG will save you. A good Scout will time their strafing to your Bursts. Edit: Also, if a Scout seeing me on his radar is called GÇ£Wall HackingGÇ¥, what is it called when I mow down a Cloaked Scout because he thought I could not see him and was not bothering to strafe? Scouts are supposed to be suits that can avoid heavier frames, provide intel, hack objectives quickly and get out. They are not supposed to be the counter to heavies, nothing is supposed to counter heavies in CQC. Heavies are supposed to be countered with longer ranged weapons. Scouts are only the counters to heavies because they are broken / OP right now. You are an idiot. Scouts are and always have been the non-heavy counter to heavies. That's why scouts excel at high alpha weapons, you know shotguns, knives and remote explosives. The speed and stealth allows scouts to use these short range high alpha weapons to quickly kill fat suits. I would also like to point out that if a scout kills a heavy in cqc with a different weapon than the one listed than that means he got the jump on you or you are a terrible player. You have the most hp, resistance and the most op death dealing gun in the game. Be aware of your surroundings and learn how to shoot a strafing scout. Please avoid resorting to name calling, I know your arguments are tenuous at best, but flinging insults around does nothing to help prove your point. BTW, I hardly ever run heavies, I run a minmatar logi 90% of the time and use the other suits to change it up once in a while. Scouts are broken right now, just like the logi was, tanks were, murder taxis, etc... Small nerfs to Scouts are needed and hopefully CCP will continue addressing this in upcoming hotfixes. Enjoy your OP fit while it lasts, the nerf bat will hopefully be here soon enough. How do you kill that which has no life?
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:06:00 - [24] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout Going to stop you there. Dust 514 has this thing called EWAR. It is comprised of things like scan profiles, active scanners, cloaking devices, etc. EWAR is something unique to Dust 514 so I get that you are having problems understanding it... but it isn't wallhacking. Klubba Dkc2 wrote: After a while he stabbed me again. Good, good. Go on... Klubba Dkc2 wrote: So, tired of this, I've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and I've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. HMG's are excellent anti-infantry weapons. The user trades reload speed and movement speed for the ability to take out lightly tanked dropsuits like scouts quickly. Good job. You figured out how to counter a scout. Why are you ragebitching again? Because scouts are stupid, and, everyone knows it. Yes we have ewar, but it needs to be modified. First of all remove the chevron on the hud that shows EXACTLY where the enemy is and where the head is, yes in other games this is considered a wallhack. Secondly the radar part of Dust is way to powerful, it should be a dot, not an arrow. Yes dust has ewar but it is not unique. Other games have ewar. And while you all are talking **** about cod, they dont have a chevron displayed on the HUD of the enemy, and the zbility to see the enemy on radar is limited by time and must be earned in game. The ability to simply see the direction someome is facing is held back in cod as a very high level reward with short duration because even they know how powerful that is. This is the reason scouts are still so powerful. In a fight that lasts 3 seconds how much advantage do I have by knowing exactly where you are and which way you are facing? Oh and you cant see me on radar, oh and im cloaked. The ewar in Dust is simply too powerful. Nerf it into the ground. Scouts are made to scan and hack, to detect and remove equipment, to get into position early, instead they are the best slayers after Sentinels. Nerf these suits into the ground and Dust will be better for it. Nerf ewar for everyone.
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:20:00 - [25] - Quote Also when thks EWAR system was implemented it was based on the team, not a squad. Back then whatever 1 player could see the entire team could see. Alots changed since then, its time for ewar to change with it.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4051	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:28:00 - [26] - Quote Opposing player showing up on Scout radar as a dot = eWar (facing direction is cheap but debatable I guess) Opposing player showing up in everyone's normal field of vision = wallhack (The godfather of tactical logistics)
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3989	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:48:00 - [27] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Scouts are supposed to be suits that can avoid heavier frames, provide intel, hack objectives quickly and get out. They are not supposed to be the counter to heavies, nothing is supposed to counter heavies in CQC. Heavies are supposed to be countered with longer ranged weapons. Scouts are only the counters to heavies because they are broken / OP right now. Who says that heavies should not have CQC counters? You? You are the lone person that gets to decide the roles of all mercs? Sorry, it's CCP. If Heaves had absolutely no CQC counter a team could hack a point in a building or interior structure, and just place a heavy for "I win" button. Heavies are made for point defense, but they are not made to be uncounterable. Nothing should ever be uncounterable or counterable only by another of the type (see 1.7 tanks vs AV for reference). You can always tell a Millford Minja
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 625	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:54:00 - [28] - Quote Klubba Dkc2 wrote: I was playing solo with my std galmando when a wallhack scout stabbed me. After a while he stabbed me again. So, tired of this, i've changed suit with my sentinel + burst hmg, melted him and i've never seen him for the rest of the game. This crutch vs crutch game mode is horrible. Or you could do it with swag like I did. Two NK scouts banked me while in my minmando, so I fit NKs for the lolz. I killed them both, and I meleed one of them. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Mex-0 Comander's Capital 45	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:58:00 - [29] - Quote I heard someone say Nova Knives were OP... it might be true? Or nah? I don't use OP weapons, I AM OP.
Mex-0 Comander's Capital 46	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:59:00 - [30] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: Keep running that commando brother. Its definitely frustrating sometimes with the scouts but it only makes the good games that much sweeter. Dont worry the scouts day is coming Yeah, when it's nerfed to oblivion. With CCP, 'Rebalancing' means the same thing as 'Wish you didn't invest SP in it' I don't use OP weapons, I AM OP.



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