Why should an item (in this case FGs) be superior to other items designed for the same purpose?

It's much healthier for every item to have strengths and weaknesses, making them the best in certain situations, while weaker in others. That way, every item has a purpose for existing beyond "cuz it can".

If the above isn't the case, then you'd simply have everyone running around with FGs, which would make AVing just as boring as Piloting in 1.7.

You do realize forges have double the range of the swarm, right?

Not to mention the PLC range, and while damage per shot is slightly higher, DPS is much lower.

You mean 72% more range? Yep. Already noted it. Range advantage can be all but discounted in the current build with a speed scout though.

I suppose after the nerf to charge times, splash damage, and range (not just to FG's but Large rails as well) the Forge is just neutered. Effective enough. But neutered. 3 types of very similar AV, and just 2 types of REAL racial tanks and DS to play with.....how very dull

Buckets of no. There is no reality in which this idea would not utterly screw vehicle users forever.

Add sway and a bit of dispersion while moving, jumping? Make it like sniper rifle, crouch weapon or add immobilize effect for all FGs?

I don't think you have ever used a forge gun since you're making this comment.

1: moving means you're probably going to miss anyway, unless the target is frakking huge.

2: If you jump while charging... I dont even think you CAN jump while charging it without losing the charge like a sprint.

3: no, not like a goddamn sniper rifle. If you're carrying a forge gun youre already a sitting duck for any infantry. and we HAVE the immobilizer Forge. it's called a breach. It's unpopular because you can't move while using it. Unless the tank is unaware of you, using the Breach is like hanging a neon sign reading: "I'm helpless and dumb! Kill me now! five seconds between shots at best! Easy target here!"

No hitscan. I like having to lead the target. Dropships have a prayer of juking my aim, and tanks have a chance that I freak out when they hit near me and I wind up getting a glancing hit with splash damage (negligible).

two: your ideas for balance are absolutely cripplingly idiotic. Forge heavies are supposed to be able to FIGHT vehicles, not become hilarious pop-up crazy Ivan marksmanship dummies.

Hitscan is the DUMBEST idea for a shooter, and I'm still to this day disgusted that it's IN the game. The only thing hitscan makes sense for is... lasers, which move at, you know, the speed of light for some reason.

Stop touching my forge gun. She does not like you.

1 - i'm a sniper & occasionally FG sniping (since CBT), i have no problems hiting moving/running target while strafing adjusting myself AND it's always 100% accuracy. Even with travel time, you just need to be good with timing.

2 - are you ever used FG lol? Jumping is only way of moving while charging Breach FG

3 - FG are freaking most easy & powerful weapon in Dust, without noticeable drawbacks. With 1500+hp to tank any dmg including Snipers, that requires 3-4 headshots & twice more body shots to kill it. Also you can use LAV or Dropship for extra mobility.

FG has (by description) slug velocity of 7000m/s that almost 3 times faster than Sniper Rifle (2500m/s), and it's currently has travel time, which doesn't make any sense & logic.
Heavies can shoot with FG with 100% accuracy while moving, but can't do same with sniper rifle lol... again alot of logic here.

If you call yourself a FGuner, you must be the worst one that don't know how to use it & with terrible aiming.

I wish my FG heavy had that much HP.....

1 - i'm a sniper & occasionally FG sniping (since CBT), i have no problems hiting moving/running target while strafing adjusting myself AND it's always 100% accuracy. Even with travel time, you just need to be good with timing.

I don't bust out my forge guns until I need to kill vehicles. I use other tools for that.

2 - are you ever used FG lol? Jumping is only way of moving while charging Breach FG

I only use the assault. Again, I'm a vehicle hunter. not a tower camper.

3 - FG are freaking most easy & powerful weapon in Dust, without noticeable drawbacks. With 1500+hp to tank any dmg including Snipers, that requires 3-4 headshots & twice more body shots to kill it. Also you can use LAV or Dropship for extra mobility.

Again, I don't use the hold charge guns. I just go full berserker. I want to see the pretty fireballs. I'm very very good at making vehicles die.

FG has (by description) slug velocity of 7000m/s that almost 3 times faster than Sniper Rifle (2500m/s), and it's currently has travel time, which doesn't make any sense & logic.
Heavies can shoot with FG with 100% accuracy while moving, but can't do same with sniper rifle lol... again alot of logic here.

Don't care. Hitscan means I'll never miss an assault forge shot again.

If you call yourself a FGuner, you must be the worst one that don't know how to use it & with terrible aiming.

You talk about it like it's primary purpose is "sniper rifle." I operate under the assumption that i'm goin' tank ganking with the occasional hilarity shot in the ass on a dumbass red dot who's not paying attention.

blah, blah, blah...

What if only the breach variant FORGE gun had the hitscan? They immobilize you and have such a long charge time that it's perk would be such.

The assault variants stay the way they are while the standards variants will lose their splash and be a little more practical fighting ADS' because of holding their charge with a slight increase to charge time over the assaults.