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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
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Posted - 2014.09.05 02:32:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Devadander wrote:My net speed is cable, gamers package so yeah... it was lag Not you, but your opponent. Their upload latency is high, there was a kid that posted a vid the other day in which they went 80+. His vid shows everyone shooting behind him, they were actually shooting where their game showed him to be, but he was 6-7 feet way. So now you can understand how this can happen. I see high kdr and question ISP. What is really sad is that you and I pay for "gaming" quality internet, and are able to send CCP some $$ every now and then, but why-when they won't fix this. Serious FPS players look down on lagged gun games, because the devs are assclowns.
Guys doing the throttle thing have a stutter effect to them, this guy was moving crisp n clean.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4100
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Posted - 2014.09.05 02:34:00 -
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nah he may well not be using a turbo...but all claoks fire from cloak still so that's an obvious one.
@michael
truth is I can run 11m a sec and get extremely close to you on many maps around a corner, then I can close the distance even before you turn (because I have a wallhack that allows me to know when you're not looking my way) and fire 2 shotgun blasts before you can react. Or lay an RE, and then you're really ****** cause you're a heavy and that **** hurts. :P
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4100
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Posted - 2014.09.05 02:35:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i disagree.. i would rather them have a RE-cloaking Delay of maybe 10-30 seconds so they cannot pop out kill some one pop back in and people bbe non the wiser..
this change would make cloaks less of a crutch while still retaining its functionality and the bitter-vet scouts who played hard and pro before the cloak came out can do so still with out such malice toward "the crutch"
...this doesn't address the problem...just delays how often it can happen..
is english your first language? (just asking)
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Atiim
11848
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Posted - 2014.09.05 02:37:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:Devadander wrote: So a cal-scout with a viziam did 478 dmg without me seeing or hearing a single shot. Did I mention he was 7 meters in front of me cloaked? Charge shot? and you can't fire from cloak. You can't actually. Lag makes you see people cloaked when they are decloaked. I've fired my Shotgun while I was still cloaked several times.
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SGT NOVA STAR
1.U.P
288
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Posted - 2014.09.05 03:28:00 -
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Devadander wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Devadander wrote:My net speed is cable, gamers package so yeah... it was lag gamers package? I'm sorry you got fooled 25 down 5 up. What. after 1up/down your speed doesn't factor in anymore. and I don't really know how an ISP can optimize their preference to cater to "gamers". perhaps doubling your speed for the first or last gb while downloading? idk just going off on a tangent. the point is dust has issues.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1390
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Posted - 2014.09.05 03:53:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:Devadander wrote: So a cal-scout with a viziam did 478 dmg without me seeing or hearing a single shot. Did I mention he was 7 meters in front of me cloaked? Charge shot? and you can't fire from cloak. You can't actually. Lag makes you see people cloaked when they are decloaked. Are you telling me lag is causing me to see myself still cloaked as I blast some dude in the back of the head?
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
319
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Posted - 2014.09.05 04:01:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:Devadander wrote: So a cal-scout with a viziam did 478 dmg without me seeing or hearing a single shot. Did I mention he was 7 meters in front of me cloaked? Charge shot? and you can't fire from cloak. You can't actually. Lag makes you see people cloaked when they are decloaked.
Are you cockeyed?
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
580
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Posted - 2014.09.05 04:14:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? I agree.
Now I will argue towards the scouts point of view (just recently started learning Amarr Scout), that scouts need a certain amount of the element of surprise. Don't make the firing delay too long, else cloaked and/or EWAR scouts will be pretty useless.
To argue for the delay however, it gives people a chance to at least react and respond properly without getting killed by shotgun while cloaked, only to finally have the cloak come down 2 seconds later.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
2213
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Posted - 2014.09.05 04:31:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Agree. Ideally not too long, but... - maybe long enough to cover average lag time + 1.5-â - which might be crazy long, but would also be reasonably fair.
PSN: RationalSpark
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
390
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Posted - 2014.09.05 08:14:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? Wholly agree. Cloaking needs a delay after its deactivated.| Scouts talk a lot of **** about how they have to "think" more than other classes when in reality they can fire off a couple of shots before they are even visible. Seriously, three seconds after decloak before firing/knifing/melee. It should be a strategic advantage, not a tactical one.
The predator doesn't have a delay in using his weapons after decloaking. SO WHY SHOULD WE?
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Michael Arck
5411
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Posted - 2014.09.05 08:17:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? Wholly agree. Cloaking needs a delay after its deactivated.| Scouts talk a lot of **** about how they have to "think" more than other classes when in reality they can fire off a couple of shots before they are even visible. Seriously, three seconds after decloak before firing/knifing/melee. It should be a strategic advantage, not a tactical one. The predator doesn't have a delay in using his weapons after decloaking. SO WHY SHOULD WE?
LOL! Nice! Dutch agrees with your post
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
5411
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Posted - 2014.09.05 08:21:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:nah he may well not be using a turbo...but all claoks fire from cloak still so that's an obvious one.
@michael
truth is I can run 11m a sec and get extremely close to you on many maps around a corner, then I can close the distance even before you turn (because I have a wallhack that allows me to know when you're not looking my way) and fire 2 shotgun blasts before you can react. Or lay an RE, and then you're really ****** cause you're a heavy and that **** hurts. :P
And that's why I don't understand what's the big deal about getting a shot off before decloaking.
Unless I'm missing something here in your post, you just explained how a scout's abilities can hurt you so a cloak delay wouldn't mean squat. You already rounded the corner and used wall hacks to place yourself in a position where I can't react, delay or not.
Archistrategos
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE
Consolidated Dust
22
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:41:00 -
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Devadander wrote:GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Devadander wrote:My net speed is cable, gamers package so yeah... it was lag Not you, but your opponent. Their upload latency is high, there was a kid that posted a vid the other day in which they went 80+. His vid shows everyone shooting behind him, they were actually shooting where their game showed him to be, but he was 6-7 feet way. So now you can understand how this can happen. I see high kdr and question ISP. What is really sad is that you and I pay for "gaming" quality internet, and are able to send CCP some $$ every now and then, but why-when they won't fix this. Serious FPS players look down on lagged gun games, because the devs are assclowns. Guys doing the throttle thing have a stutter effect to them, this guy was moving crisp n clean.
You should research how FPS games handle UDP latency, and then you'll understand, but CCP has some really permissive routing rules in place. Latency is inherent with geography, because every router adds milliseconds due to cpu load needed to pass packets, and routing paths and priorities at the ISP and all along the internet add additional overhead. Throttling is not latency. high latency players would look smooth.
log into ASIA and strafe everone will be shooting about 5ft behind you, because that is where they see you and not because they suck. My ping to tokyo is about 145ms, my ISP ping is <1ms, so my pull path is fiber all the way to Japan, but my pushed packets get handled at a slower rate so i'd see my opponent real time, but they'd see me in the past. |
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE
Consolidated Dust
22
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:55:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:nah he may well not be using a turbo...but all claoks fire from cloak still so that's an obvious one.
@michael
truth is I can run 11m a sec and get extremely close to you on many maps around a corner, then I can close the distance even before you turn (because I have a wallhack that allows me to know when you're not looking my way) and fire 2 shotgun blasts before you can react. Or lay an RE, and then you're really ****** cause you're a heavy and that **** hurts. :P And that's why I don't understand what's the big deal about getting a shot off before decloaking. Unless I'm missing something here in your post, you just explained how a scout's abilities can hurt you so a cloak delay wouldn't mean squat. You already rounded the corner and used wall hacks to place yourself in a position where I can't react, delay or not.
CCP should scramble the minimap and add gun jamming as penalties when a players internet packets are late, or segment the player base with performance based metrics via matchmaking. DUST/LEGION will be looked at sceptically until they fix latency.
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gauntlet44 LbowDeep
Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance
118
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:07:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:
Charge shot? and you can't fire from cloak.
you have evidently never tried it
Absorb what is useful,
discard what is not,
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1467
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:12:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? I mean..shotty go bang and most of the scouts in the barbershop actually suggested it. I just agree with them. The delay animation on cloak does not prevent you from firing from cloak. The fact of the matter is that once scanners were nerfed so hard, and they gave passive scanning to scouts in addition to being the only ones to participate in the dampening...and then cloaking game...it created an imbalance. you play in any other suit, contact me and we'll play a PC match just us 2. You can hack 1 point and defend it against me. Try staying in an area to defend it, even knowing you're actually looking for me, and i'll still kill you knowing exactly what way you're facing, while you get no intel on my location, and then add in that because I'm so quick you have very little room for error if you do catch a glimmer of the shimmer of me coming at you at 11m/s even if you're spinning in circles constantly trying to find me. If you hold the point I'll give you 20 mil. Just you my friend, name any day or time and I'm down.
There's no way he (or practically anyone) will hold that point.You are dead on correct on all counts, from where I sit. His only chance would be to run a heavy, let you get the first shot, then hope to catch you with the spray from his HMG...and even then he's much more likely to die to you, much less someone like Fusion who has an even more scary shotgun game....which is precisely why guarding points in PC now requires at least 2 people to be effective. The first is really just a sacrificial lamb hoping to expose the scout so the second person can kill them, or each of them watches the other's back and hope to hit that fast moving difficult to see cloaked scout before he gets them both. |
Funkmaster Whale
Fatal Absolution
2395
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:18:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Won't change a thing unless it's something ridiculous like 4 or 5 seconds.
Get rid of red dots appearing on your HUD and make it so they only appear on the radar and suddenly scout is no longer wallhack easy mode.
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ratamaq doc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
876
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:34:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? I mean..shotty go bang and most of the scouts in the barbershop actually suggested it. I just agree with them. The delay animation on cloak does not prevent you from firing from cloak. The fact of the matter is that once scanners were nerfed so hard, and they gave passive scanning to scouts in addition to being the only ones to participate in the dampening...and then cloaking game...it created an imbalance. you play in any other suit, contact me and we'll play a PC match just us 2. You can hack 1 point and defend it against me. Try staying in an area to defend it, even knowing you're actually looking for me, and i'll still kill you knowing exactly what way you're facing, while you get no intel on my location, and then add in that because I'm so quick you have very little room for error if you do catch a glimmer of the shimmer of me coming at you at 11m/s even if you're spinning in circles constantly trying to find me. If you hold the point I'll give you 20 mil. Just you my friend, name any day or time and I'm down.
That sounds fun as hell. Can you PVR? I want to take that challenge, but I don't need 20 mil if I win. Want to set this up?
I fully agree with your statement, and would much rather be the scout, but damn my mind is spinning thinking of what I would actually do to win this. I can record on my end. I'd suggest live stream, but I wouldn't want you watching me during the battle.
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LOADED'HORN
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
113
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:49:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree?
Why is this still completely broken? It is not fair to any player at all. How many months must we deal with this broke ass mechanic? It is by far the worst part of the game in my opinion. Its a scrub I win button. No player should have to give up all their hit points just to see these scouts. HOT FIX IT>>>!@#$% months ago!
Open beta vet. (@L@) I see all you cloak scrubs. Game breaking B!T(#E$
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4128
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:13:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:nah he may well not be using a turbo...but all claoks fire from cloak still so that's an obvious one.
@michael
truth is I can run 11m a sec and get extremely close to you on many maps around a corner, then I can close the distance even before you turn (because I have a wallhack that allows me to know when you're not looking my way) and fire 2 shotgun blasts before you can react. Or lay an RE, and then you're really ****** cause you're a heavy and that **** hurts. :P And that's why I don't understand what's the big deal about getting a shot off before decloaking. Unless I'm missing something here in your post, you just explained how a scout's abilities can hurt you so a cloak delay wouldn't mean squat. You already rounded the corner and used wall hacks to place yourself in a position where I can't react, delay or not.
Oh i'm not saying it's the only issue, e-war as a larger conversation needs rebalancing. I'm just saying that e-war advantages + having cloak...makes this game damn cheesy.
So much cheese. cloaks are not easily discernable in many places on maps. and the time you have to react at their speeds it just lol.
If scouts started with just 1 slot better precision than mediums and it'd take just one complex damp to get below all scout base precision (aside from the ones with bonuses which should just be amarr and not gallente IMO) and one precision mod to be equal with scouts base precision...I dunno i'm probably missing something but that was a rough idea.
I don't mind scouts having a huge advantage to dampening, but the scanning game being also monopolized is game breaking. Especially when they can stack 1/2 or even 90% of your ehp while still being ay faster than you and obviously with more stamina as well.
Scouts need to be fun to play and have the tools to do their jobs, but I feel atm they have a **** ton of advantages with very few disadvantages. Not our (scouts) fault the e-war game is so ****** up, but hey.
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Death Shadow117
Murphys-Law
351
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:15:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Yes i agree with the delay i run cloak shotty and maybe once or twice a day ill shoot while cloaked because usually i get my sg out way before i get to my target.
Why?
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Death Shadow117
Murphys-Law
351
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.
Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? Wholly agree. Cloaking needs a delay after its deactivated.| Scouts talk a lot of **** about how they have to "think" more than other classes when in reality they can fire off a couple of shots before they are even visible. real scouts dont use the cloak as an offensive equipment but as a defensive equip.
Why?
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