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Zatara Rought wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Zatara Rought wrote:

The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7.

Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree?

Highly disagree. Why suggest that?

I mean..shotty go bang and most of the scouts in the barbershop actually suggested it. I just agree with them.

The delay animation on cloak does not prevent you from firing from cloak.

The fact of the matter is that once scanners were nerfed so hard, and they gave passive scanning to scouts in addition to being the only ones to participate in the dampening...and then cloaking game...it created an imbalance. you play in any other suit, contact me and we'll play a PC match just us 2.

You can hack 1 point and defend it against me.

Try staying in an area to defend it, even knowing you're actually looking for me, and i'll still kill you knowing exactly what way you're facing, while you get no intel on my location, and then add in that because I'm so quick you have very little room for error if you do catch a glimmer of the shimmer of me coming at you at 11m/s even if you're spinning in circles constantly trying to find me.

If you hold the point I'll give you 20 mil. Just you my friend, name any day or time and I'm down. Smile

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Devadander Woodgrain Atari 89	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:38:00 - [1] - Quote So a cal-scout with a viziam did 478 dmg without me seeing or hearing a single shot. Did I mention he was 7 meters in front of me cloaked? "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4077	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:40:00 - [2] - Quote The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 316	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:40:00 - [3] - Quote Devadander wrote: So a cal-scout with a viziam did 478 dmg without me seeing or hearing a single shot. Did I mention he was 7 meters in front of me cloaked? Charge shot? and you can't fire from cloak.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4077	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:41:00 - [4] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Charge shot? and you can't fire from cloak. Lol oh yes you can. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2290	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:42:00 - [5] - Quote Devadander wrote: So a cal-scout with a viziam did 478 dmg without me seeing or hearing a single shot. lag? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 179	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:43:00 - [6] - Quote ??? maybe charged headshot. THAT CAN DO SOME MAJOR DAMAGE! Not sure about the cloaked tho....I still think the cloak should fully disengage before they can use a weapon. Then again I hate scouts. Every time i get a nice juicy flank on a main force or push....A scout always materializes out of thin air. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 327	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:43:00 - [7] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Devadander wrote: So a cal-scout with a viziam did 478 dmg without me seeing or hearing a single shot. Did I mention he was 7 meters in front of me cloaked? Charge shot? and you can't fire from cloak. You can't actually. Lag makes you see people cloaked when they are decloaked. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek 73	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:44:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah, that uncloak delay needs to be sorted out. Combat rifles can get damn near half a clip off before the uncloak animation finishes. And lol for shotguns and scramblers, that sh!t is outrageous.
Michael Arck 5398	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:44:00 - [9] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 89	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:44:00 - [10] - Quote Long story. I saw him moving cloaked, and moved in for the kill. He was 7 meters ahead dead center. He de-cloaked, and I died. No animations, no sounds. Killscreen showed him as calproscout 7 meters away viziam scram. I stalked him next 3 lives and his RoF was not natural. But the point is all I saw was him de-cloak and I fell over. No shots. "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever

Devadander Woodgrain Atari 89	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:46:00 - [11] - Quote My net speed is cable, gamers package so yeah... it was lag "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13217	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:47:00 - [12] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? Wholly agree. Cloaking needs a delay after its deactivated.\| Scouts talk a lot of **** about how they have to "think" more than other classes when in reality they can fire off a couple of shots before they are even visible. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
SGT NOVA STAR 1.U.P 288	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:49:00 - [13] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Devadander wrote: So a cal-scout with a viziam did 478 dmg without me seeing or hearing a single shot. Did I mention he was 7 meters in front of me cloaked? Charge shot? and you can't fire from cloak. ha! yes you can sir VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2579	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:50:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? Wholly agree. Cloaking needs a delay after its deactivated.\| Scouts talk a lot of **** about how they have to "think" more than other classes when in reality they can fire off a couple of shots before they are even visible. Seriously, three seconds after decloak before firing/knifing/melee. It should be a strategic advantage, not a tactical one. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the *whole* game. That's a promise.
SGT NOVA STAR 1.U.P 288	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:51:00 - [15] - Quote Devadander wrote: My net speed is cable, gamers package so yeah... it was lag gamers package? I'm sorry you got fooled VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 89	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:51:00 - [16] - Quote I understand cloak delay but you hear/see your death. He faded in and strafed away, I never saw animations or heard sound effects. If everyone else isn't lagging, then you can bet I'm not either. "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 89	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:53:00 - [17] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: Devadander wrote: My net speed is cable, gamers package so yeah... it was lag gamers package? I'm sorry you got fooled 25 down 5 up. What. "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
Michael Arck 5399	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:56:00 - [18] - Quote I always look at the "cloaked while shooting argument" in a couple of ways. First, if a scout approached you (and you're not adequately prepared), cloaked or not, he's going to get a buckshot off on you regardless. Two, the delay is just a way to ease the minds of players whom think that the cloak was the blame for their deaths, when awareness, being overly excited about being snuck on by a scout/wild aiming are the main issues behind it In other words, what does it truly matter beyond simply having a problem with it? The delay is nothing more than fan service. It doesn't change the impact of a good scout in which many players falsely accuse the shot while cloaked issue as the main problem. If the scout already snuck up on you, cloaked or not, you have a problem. To me this is just the same as that guy celebrating the removal of splash damage of FGs. In the scheme of things, what does it really matter? Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Zindorak 1.U.P 801	Posted - 2014.09.05 00:58:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I always look at the "cloaked while shooting argument" in a couple of ways. First, if a scout approached you (and you're not adequately prepared), cloaked or not, he's going to get a buckshot off on you regardless. Two, the delay is just a way to ease the minds of players whom think that the cloak was the blame for their deaths, when awareness, being overly excited about being snuck on by a scout/wild aiming are the main issues behind it In other words, what does it truly matter beyond simply having a problem with it? The delay is nothing more than fan service. It doesn't change the impact of a good scout in which many players falsely accuse the shot while cloaked issue as the main problem. If the scout already snuck up on you, cloaked or not, you have a problem. To me this is just the same as that guy celebrating the removal of splash damage of FGs. In the scheme of things, what does it really matter? oshieeet nice points there Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2253	Posted - 2014.09.05 01:00:00 - [20] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? It does already, and personally i think its fine, as at less than 30m the shimmer is unmistakable. If the lag was gone, the cloak would be much less potent than it is at cloak fire recloak tactics, simply because you would become visible instantly. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor

John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 889	Posted - 2014.09.05 01:01:00 - [21] - Quote video Please support fair play!
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1228	Posted - 2014.09.05 01:04:00 - [22] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Nope. I do however think that the uncloaking should be immediate rather than the cloak effect going away a second or so after you swap weapons. I mean FFS, if my 300 HP scout is just waiting behind a 1700 DPS Burst HMG heavy for 5 seconds waiting to shoot him something is very wrong.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4083	Posted - 2014.09.05 01:11:00 - [23] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? I mean..shotty go bang and most of the scouts in the barbershop actually suggested it. I just agree with them. The delay animation on cloak does not prevent you from firing from cloak. The fact of the matter is that once scanners were nerfed so hard, and they gave passive scanning to scouts in addition to being the only ones to participate in the dampening...and then cloaking game...it created an imbalance. you play in any other suit, contact me and we'll play a PC match just us 2. You can hack 1 point and defend it against me. Try staying in an area to defend it, even knowing you're actually looking for me, and i'll still kill you knowing exactly what way you're facing, while you get no intel on my location, and then add in that because I'm so quick you have very little room for error if you do catch a glimmer of the shimmer of me coming at you at 11m/s even if you're spinning in circles constantly trying to find me. If you hold the point I'll give you 20 mil. Just you my friend, name any day or time and I'm down. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 92	Posted - 2014.09.05 01:17:00 - [24] - Quote And none of this has to do with missing sound effects/animations. I've seen the spread from a cloak-shotty from the side. This guy was DEAD IN FRONT OF ME. The combat awareness of a toenail clipping would have seen the scr rounds at our range. All bright yellow n sh**.... "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13222	Posted - 2014.09.05 01:19:00 - [25] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? Wholly agree. Cloaking needs a delay after its deactivated.\| Scouts talk a lot of **** about how they have to "think" more than other classes when in reality they can fire off a couple of shots before they are even visible. Seriously, three seconds after decloak before firing/knifing/melee. It should be a strategic advantage, not a tactical one. 1.5- 2.5 is more than enough and I am learning towards the lower end of spectrum. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 275	Posted - 2014.09.05 02:07:00 - [26] - Quote Devadander wrote: Long story. I saw him moving cloaked, and moved in for the kill. He was 7 meters ahead dead center. He de-cloaked, and I died. No animations, no sounds. Killscreen showed him as calproscout 7 meters away viziam scram. I stalked him next 3 lives and his RoF was not natural. But the point is all I saw was him de-cloak and I fell over. No shots. was it me? i run viz on my pro cal scout "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Michael Arck 5403	Posted - 2014.09.05 02:13:00 - [27] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? Highly disagree. Why suggest that? I mean..shotty go bang and most of the scouts in the barbershop actually suggested it. I just agree with them. The delay animation on cloak does not prevent you from firing from cloak. The fact of the matter is that once scanners were nerfed so hard, and they gave passive scanning to scouts in addition to being the only ones to participate in the dampening...and then cloaking game...it created an imbalance. you play in any other suit, contact me and we'll play a PC match just us 2. You can hack 1 point and defend it against me. Try staying in an area to defend it, even knowing you're actually looking for me, and i'll still kill you knowing exactly what way you're facing, while you get no intel on my location, and then add in that because I'm so quick you have very little room for error if you do catch a glimmer of the shimmer of me coming at you at 11m/s even if you're spinning in circles constantly trying to find me. If you hold the point I'll give you 20 mil. Just you my friend, name any day or time and I'm down. Okay, at this point with the cloak thing is pretty much whatever. I just don't see the grand scheme of it all when it is implemented, even if the barbershop group hold a consensus on the opinion. About your last paragraph, well if I'm a heavy (and I run plenty of solo games because of my odd schedule), I'm pretty much dealing with that every objective game I'm in. I gotta look for the distortions in my screen to find you. If you shoot me before you decloak, I would have died anyway because I didn't know where you were with or without my back turned. Yes, I have lost scouts after getting "love tapped" and I'm usually moonwalking out of the area hoping that I'm not being rounded. But if I get got, hell, it's just a part of the game and I look forward to getting you next 1 on 1. But that's totally separate from the shooting while cloaked issue. I just don't see how the problem manufactures into something bigger beyond just shooting the unawares while cloaked. But hey, its not a big deal to me so I'm whatever on the situation. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 21	Posted - 2014.09.05 02:24:00 - [28] - Quote Devadander wrote: My net speed is cable, gamers package so yeah... it was lag Not you, but your opponent. Their upload latency is high, there was a kid that posted a vid the other day in which they went 80+. His vid shows everyone shooting behind him, they were actually shooting where their game showed him to be, but he was 6-7 feet way. So now you can understand how this can happen. I see high kdr and question ISP. What is really sad is that you and I pay for "gaming" quality internet, and are able to send CCP some $$ every now and then, but why-when they won't fix this. Serious FPS players look down on lagged gun games, because the devs are assclowns.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 786	Posted - 2014.09.05 02:29:00 - [29] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The only difference in the dps able to be laid down in the time it takes a human to react by a scr and shotgun from cloak...if that the scr can do it just as good from 50 meters as 7. Cloak needs to have a delay to fire after decloaking, anyone agree? i disagree.. i would rather them have a RE-cloaking Delay of maybe 10-30 seconds so they cannot pop out kill some one pop back in and people bbe non the wiser.. this change would make cloaks less of a crutch while still retaining its functionality and the bitter-vet scouts who played hard and pro before the cloak came out can do so still with out such malice toward "the crutch" [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 94	Posted - 2014.09.05 02:29:00 - [30] - Quote After reading till my eyes hurt, I'm going to venture this guy was using decloak exploit with turbo scr. If he pumped out enough rounds to kill me before he decloaked they would have been eaten by the decloak anim, same for sound effects. "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever



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