No
I like my rep tool how it is. I don't want any overheat BS

I hate to break it to you, but the logi train has been around longer than, as you put it... "OP scouts" Way longer. I'd wager a lot of scouts even carry RE's specifically to get rid of these trains quickly before they get mowed down by the double repped HMG sentinel.

I digress though, an overheat option, or capacitors on the repair tools could be interesting. It would make logi work less of a point and hold and force players to think tactically when to actually apply those reps. Scanners though... Why would you want to nerf something further that's already only truly useful at proto? Those poor things need a buff... my advocating for such has nothing to do with the fact I miss knifing ballerinas...

of course not.... exactly why I wrote the post?! You guys are addicted?! Consider this a rehabilitation! All new challenges should bring the best player out of us all, right? Welcome this, and show the rest of the logi community who is truly the most skilled logibo!

Thanks for your comment though bro! o7

and i thought my thread was a text wall rant

"BRADRIC NO PLEASE BRO WE LOVE YOUR POST, BUT IF YOU TAKE AWAY MY REPAIR TOOL I MIGHT GET ON MY GUN AND KILL YOU!!!".

Sorry logibros, better now and done then further down the line?! So here goes.....

You know how you sprint to the supply depot to hack it...

PAUSE FOR THE CAUSE

Now I get it guys, I do. "The logi-train", as it has been so accurately dubbed, is a desperate response to the "assault scout"?! Many heavies and logis have found themselves fully spec'd into their dropsuits, only to be outgunned, outpaced, and getting demolished?! Scouts are OP! Assaults have gotten a buff, and now their back with a vengeance! What else are you supposed to do?

I won't batter you with what you should do to adjust because you have done that already?! You did the only thing you could do in your current situation. You won't win any PC battles..... or battles in general outside of ambush, but you will protect your wallet from the horde of OP scouts bolting around you with every weapon in the game other than heavy weapons?! (another thread coming on the scout mayhem! I got you bro!) What I will do is suggest that you get some assaults in your squad. We can help you out with the scouts now!

ON TO MY REPAIR TOOL PROPOSAL

I propose a limit of 2 rep tools per individual repped! If you're using the rep tool you yourself can NOT be repped at the same time! Also, I propose a rep tool overheat....... ~waits for the kitchen sink to be thrown~ ........ nothing steep guys chill!

However, the practice of walking around strapped to a heavy the ENTIRE match is ridiculous?! This will make nanocircuitry more prevalent, and stop the ridiculousness of this fiasco?! If you could here us on comms as we die laughing discussing which remote to use lmao,..... but I digress.

Open to suggestions from the logistics community, and that's what I love about the forums, but this practice of following some dude around like a prison girlfriend is...... well anyway something has to give.

I would suggest an overheat, and rep tool limit over everything else. A good logi can work with this if he is a skilled shooter-logi! He can gun just fine, but when needed can rep his mates while managing overheat! He should use nanohives and nanite injectors as well if he intends to work with his heavy counterparts.

SIDE NOTE: I am also advocating for all equipment to be capable of being fluxed! YES ALL! Scanners, rep tools, and CLOAKS! Cloaks especially, since currently they have NO COUNTER whatsoever?! I would suggest different levels are effected differently too i.e.:

You need proto flux grenades to flux proto tools, for example. So no one can just mass basic flux grenades to uncover all cloaks, and proto cloaks recharge quicker from being fluxed than basic cloaks. This would force those tanked basic gal scouts to actually know what a profile dampening mod is?! Scouts will have to use the mods as they were intended again. (I also believe scanners, at proto level, should scan basic cloaked scouts with no dampening mods or skill, but that's again another thread.) We won't rag scouts here just yet. They know they are OP.

Overheat for rep tools should be over time. Nothing crazy, and higher lvl gear should be able to stand up better in really tough situations. The same way a scanner has to charge back up is the same way a rep tool should have to cool back down.... but with a slower build up. It should also be able to be fluxed when out ( level specific for flux grenade and rep tool). Scanners, once fluxed and depending on the level, should be immobilized for a period of time(depending on the level). If they are deployed though is the catch. If you are fluxed while using a scanner it should be immobilized, and it's internal engines should have to repair and recharge the tool. It should also have a spool up time resembling the rail rifle. This should also be effective per level. This takes away the "I got a basic scanner so I can scan all cloaked scouts" theory?! No guy! You need a proto scanner you cheap turd?! However, if the tool isn't deployed, scanner or rep tool, it should operate just fine after the user is fluxed. Just like nanohives! (Keep the snapshot effect of the the scan radius it works)

Remember were here to find a balance between roles! All ideas, cutsheets, and opinions welcome! I would love to hear what "sensible" ideas or thoughts you guys have on this?

I've got a compromise.

I'll accept an overheat on the rep tool...

If every suit but logistics loses their equipment slots.
Except scouts,they keep 1 and it HAS to be locked to cloaks only.

That would be a reasonable trade.

Gimp logistics equipment,strip others.

Win-win.

Afterall if i can't be repped, someone has to be willing to die for me.

I've got a compromise.

I'll accept an overheat on the rep tool...

If every suit but logistics loses their equipment slots.
Except scouts,they keep 1 and it HAS to be locked to cloaks only.

That would be a reasonable trade.

Gimp logistics equipment,strip others.

Win-win.

Afterall if i can't be repped, someone has to be willing to die for me.

This isn't a movement to nerf the logi and yes a few things should of been brought up to make us better while also imposing this. This is mostly talking about stopping the "heavy" leash. This also brings in a level of tactical decision making and not a way to lessen the logi role so lets talk about some things that could make you better.

1. increase speed. The logi can either be on par with their assault brothers or switch movement speeds with them. I don't think we need to have the same amount of HP but we do need to have tools for survival.

2. insure equipment CPU/PG cost of advance and proto variants create a fitting choice for non logi suits. The average non logi should be using basic/adv equipment.

3. With number 2 we should have to make a choice on our weapons and CPU/PG fitting changes to our suit should make it a choice on if we carry a better weapon or equipment.

4. increase the max number of nano hives and drop links carried. At the same time the nano hives should have less nanites and drop links less spawn count. Over all I see this being a buff as the total amount of nanites carried and spawn count carried will increase while slightly lower the amount on the field at one time. It would also allow you to drop a rapid succession of triage hives or drop links to help your team push the front.

5. Allow the logi to match the assaults shield regen rate. Logi already have a shorter delay then assault. For most suit this would be an increase of 5 hp/s not huge but noticeable.

6. if all else fails to bring the suit up to bar a small HP buff may be needed with the current metagame.

This isn't a movement to nerf the logi and yes a few things should of been brought up to make us better while also imposing this. This is mostly talking about stopping the "heavy" leash. This also brings in a level of tactical decision making and not a way to lessen the logi role so lets talk about some things that could make you better.

1. increase speed. The logi can either be on par with their assault brothers or switch movement speeds with them. I don't think we need to have the same amount of HP but we do need to have tools for survival.

2. insure equipment CPU/PG cost of advance and proto variants create a fitting choice for non logi suits. The average non logi should be using basic/adv equipment.

3. With number 2 we should have to make a choice on our weapons and CPU/PG fitting changes to our suit should make it a choice on if we carry a better weapon or equipment.

4. increase the max number of nano hives and drop links carried. At the same time the nano hives should have less nanites and drop links less spawn count. Over all I see this being a buff as the total amount of nanites carried and spawn count carried will increase while slightly lower the amount on the field at one time. It would also allow you to drop a rapid succession of triage hives or drop links to help your team push the front.

5. Allow the logi to match the assaults shield regen rate. Logi already have a shorter delay then assault. For most suit this would be an increase of 5 hp/s not huge but noticeable.

6. if all else fails to bring the suit up to bar a small HP buff may be needed with the current metagame.

Thank you!! This is what I was gunning for! Some sensible feedback! Most of these guys just wanna tie you to a wagon wheel, and flog you for mentioning change smh?!

OK!

I mean i'm not nerfing the logi at all, but ok. Really don't see where I have nerfed the logi at all? In fact I really don't understand why the logi doesn't have the scout regen? Don't agree with nerfing the logi one bit. I'm refering to the tools we all use! After all, I can put a rep tool or scanner on scouts, assaults, commandos, or logis.

"BRADRIC NO PLEASE BRO WE LOVE YOUR POST, BUT IF YOU TAKE AWAY MY REPAIR TOOL I MIGHT GET ON MY GUN AND KILL YOU!!!".

Sorry logibros, better now and done then further down the line?! So here goes.....

You know how you sprint to the supply depot to hack it, but it's already 3 mercs hacking away....... so you see where this is going right?

PAUSE FOR THE CAUSE

Now I get it guys, I do. "The logi-train", as it has been so accurately dubbed, is a desperate response to the "assault scout"?! Many heavies and logis have found themselves fully spec'd into their dropsuits, only to be outgunned, outpaced, and getting demolished?! Scouts are OP! Assaults have gotten a buff, and now their back with a vengeance! What else are you supposed to do?

I won't batter you with what you should do to adjust because you have done that already?! You did the only thing you could do in your current situation. You won't win any PC battles..... or battles in general outside of ambush, but you will protect your wallet from the horde of OP scouts bolting around you with every weapon in the game other than heavy weapons?! (another thread coming on the scout mayhem! I got you bro!) What I will do is suggest that you get some assaults in your squad. We can help you out with the scouts now!

ON TO MY REPAIR TOOL PROPOSAL

I propose a limit of 2 rep tools per individual repped! If you're using the rep tool you yourself can NOT be repped at the same time! Also, I propose a rep tool overheat....... ~waits for the kitchen sink to be thrown~ ........ nothing steep guys chill!

However, the practice of walking around strapped to a heavy the ENTIRE match is ridiculous?! This will make nanocircuitry more prevalent, and stop the ridiculousness of this fiasco?! If you could here us on comms as we die laughing discussing which remote to use lmao,..... but I digress.

Open to suggestions from the logistics community, and that's what I love about the forums, but this practice of following some dude around like a prison girlfriend is...... well anyway something has to give.

I would suggest an overheat, and rep tool limit over everything else. A good logi can work with this if he is a skilled shooter-logi! He can gun just fine, but when needed can rep his mates while managing overheat! He should use nanohives and nanite injectors as well if he intends to work with his heavy counterparts.

SIDE NOTE: I am also advocating for all equipment to be capable of being fluxed! YES ALL! Scanners, rep tools, and CLOAKS! Cloaks especially, since currently they have NO COUNTER whatsoever?! I would suggest different levels are effected differently too i.e.:

You need proto flux grenades to flux proto tools, for example. So no one can just mass basic flux grenades to uncover all cloaks, and proto cloaks recharge quicker from being fluxed than basic cloaks. This would force those tanked basic gal scouts to actually know what a profile dampening mod is?! Scouts will have to use the mods as they were intended again. (I also believe scanners, at proto level, should scan basic cloaked scouts with no dampening mods or skill, but that's again another thread.) We won't rag scouts here just yet. They know they are OP.

Overheat for rep tools should be over time. Nothing crazy, and higher lvl gear should be able to stand up better in really tough situations. The same way a scanner has to charge back up is the same way a rep tool should have to cool back down.... but with a slower build up. It should also be able to be fluxed when out ( level specific for flux grenade and rep tool). Scanners, once fluxed and depending on the level, should be immobilized for a period of time(depending on the level). If they are deployed though is the catch. If you are fluxed while using a scanner it should be immobilized, and it's internal engines should have to repair and recharge the tool. It should also have a spool up time resembling the rail rifle. This should also be effective per level. This takes away the "I got a basic scanner so I can scan all cloaked scouts" theory?! No guy! You need a proto scanner you cheap turd?! However, if the tool isn't deployed, scanner or rep tool, it should operate just fine after the user is fluxed. Just like nanohives! (Keep the snapshot effect of the the scan radius it works)

Remember were here to find a balance between roles! All ideas, cutsheets, and opinions welcome! I would love to hear what "sensible" ideas or thoughts you guys have on this?

I hate to break it to you, but the logi train has been around longer than, as you put it... "OP scouts" Way longer. I'd wager a lot of scouts even carry RE's specifically to get rid of these trains quickly before they get mowed down by the double repped HMG sentinel.

I digress though, an overheat option, or capacitors on the repair tools could be interesting. It would make logi work less of a point and hold and force players to think tactically when to actually apply those reps. Scanners though... Why would you want to nerf something further that's already only truly useful at proto? Those poor things need a buff... my advocating for such has nothing to do with the fact I miss knifing ballerinas...

Logistics is its tools.

And just like logihaters before you,you post your true intentions in your forum topic.
You specifically mention logistics knowing this would hit them the hardest,now you feign ignorance saying it targets all suits.

You are a bad liar.

Oh,i don't want to flog you because of change.

I want to flog you because:
-Logistics sacrifices ALOT to run equipment and you want them to sacrifice more.
-Logistics costs more investment SP and ISK wise than any other suit yet support gets "lolnerf em" more often than the killers do.
-You desire to prevent logistics from receiving support through reps,making it the only suit to be so EVEN MORE horribly broken.
-To be blunt,your idea is horribly stupid.


If all equipment costs were 1k, at Pro level this would still be a bad idea.

"No support for the support" is dumb regardless of what words you use to make it sound good i.e. tactical.