* cap RoF at human limits
* increase hipfire dispersion

how does a laser get dispersion?

Would you rather have falloff damage?

We do it's called effective range

to start thing's off and to validate my points..

from both being constantly being killed and killing with the scrambler rifle...it is put simply overpowered. stemming from the fact it has a high base damage, excellent range, superb hip-fire accuracy, and shots that dissipate at 60m and still deal damage to over 80m. the ability to not only fire a charged shot but being able to also auto fire right after it.

the scrambler rifles damage profiles for it are if iam correct. +10% vs shields and minus 20% vs armour. people complain that the scrambler struggles to kill armour. being a dedicated armour tanked user. this is not true. the scrambler rifle at base level deals 65. damage a shot. then add in the -20% and it still hits for 52 hp which is still quite a bit. now this is only the base level scrambler rifle here. it's stats are:
damage: 65hp. 71.5 vs shields 52 hp vs armour
rate of fire 705.88rm. this is actually lower than an assault rifle and is easy to tell when a turbo controller is in use.
accuracy rating; 57.73 higher than the ar's
charged shot damge deals roughly 200-250 damage off the bat and dose not add much to the heat up of the rifle.
this is only the base variant and has more range/damage over even the creodron breach assault rifle given that it has +10% and -10% vs shields/armour respectively the std scrambler rifle is better than it even in damage aplication.

then it has all the heat build up and size damge but that's beside the point.
the most common range I see and also use a scrambler rifle is between 10-70m. its hip-fire accuracy is fialry stong (even more than the ar and its effective/optimal range is quite large and has no notable damage falloff over range unlike the ar and cr.

too often do I see scrambler rifles beat not only ar's and even shotguns in their respective ranges but also when the ar's/shotgun users get the drop on them and fire the first few rounds this even happens to cr users.

scrambler rifles mainly compete with the rail rifle's mainly due to roughly the same ranges and abillty to perform well regardless of range.

in order to bring the scrambler rifle more in line with the other rifles I propse these stat changes.

lower all scrambler rifle damages by 6-7 hp. leave assault variant unchanged (still has the highest base damge of all std rifles)
slightly lower charged shot damage and increase charged shot heat cost.
lower rate of fire to at least 700. (leave unchanged for assault variant)
slight reduction to accuracy rating and increased hip-fire dispersion. 54.5 accuracy rating preferably.
increase clip size to at least 55 and max ammo to 250
change heat build up to per shot (lower heat build up at higher tiers)
reduce cooldown time to 4.5- 5.0 seconds allows for better damage application and less wait time to fire again.
leave feed back damge as it is.
shot's will not deal damge if they dissipitate
keep its current range (to compensate for lower CQC capability.)
keep current re-load time. (fix charged/reload glitch)

thoughts? and anything to add?

Would you rather have falloff damage?

sorry to break it to ya but they already stated they are lowering the dmg on ScR and raiseing it on the full auto version

I think reducing rate of fire to 500RPM is a better fix than reducing damage per shot, as the former but not the latter specifically hurts turbo users.

PS - pretty sure it's +20% vs shields, not +10% as you have it.

* cap RoF at human limits
* increase hipfire dispersion

Better to nerf the ROF to human levels than touch the damage. this harms only modded controllers instead of everybody.

ScR is fine end of disscusion

ScR is fine end of disscusion

*Less dispersion than AR, yet designed for long range.
*Outperforms all Conventional Rifles.
*RoF that can't be reached by humans.

If this is fine, may I have my pre-nerf Tactical PR back?

ScR is one of the most skill based fine rifles in the game =.=

Which is like being the sanest person in an Asylum.

ScR is one of the most skill based fine rifles in the game =.=

EDIT: barring turbo controllers of course

So what harm is there in nerfi g ROF to human achievable levels?

So, the scrambler rifle is one of the very few skill based weapons in Dust514? Bad metaphor. A sane staff must watch over an asylum's residents at all times. :P

Would you rather have falloff damage?

No, the metaphor is perfect.

It may take more "skill" to use than most rifles, but all of the rifles are so pathetically easy to use that it means nothing; in the same sense that you can be the sanest person in an Asylum, but it means nothing because you're still insane.

Though I fail to see how spamming R1 as fast as you can while watching a red bar on the screen requires "skill".

I think your still ignoring the staff in the asylum. You can't have the blind lead the blind. Perhaps you should have gone with "which is like being the sanest patient in an asylum."

Excluding the laser rifle, managing a heat gauge that other rifles don't have doesn't require more skill?

Tried the scrambler rifle without the Amarr assault suit last night. The gun tends to overheat before or after killing someone. To avoid being punished, you have to pull the trigger at a rate much slower than I am accustom to; greatly increasing TTK. I respect any of you who can make the scrambler rifle work without the Amarr assault suit. The scrambler rifle without the Amarr suit bonus is definitely not OP. Still deciding if scrambler rifle + Amarr assault suit bonus is OP.

We've seen your numbers mac. You compared it with an Obviously UP rifle and it still only beat it out in the first two seconds and the last 11? Lol what fights even last that long. You forget to mention when talking about how its not a skill weapon that missing a single shot is roughly the equivalent of losing 1/10 to 1/20 of its dps.. in just a single shot. Come on, you and I both know, that without a modded pad, this is the most balanced rifle in the game

We all know the ScR is OP, the maths has been confirming it for ages, and the in-game stats from rattati also.
But before I begin lets get a few things out of the way.

1. The ScR is a higher skill based weapon
Under what context, the shots from the scrambled rifle behave in the exact same manner as every other rifle, their is travel time, their is no lack of aim assist, if anything it has better hipfire accuracy making it even easier to use.

2. The ScR is terrible against armour
No its not, its just not as effective, but despite this it can still outperform the armour profile weapons anyway. It has so much DPS it simply outpowers this drawback.

So now we begin, the problem with the ScR and suddenly the over performing burst HMG is that its a front loaded weapon, all the damage is at the beginning of the weapons time scale.

What this means is that in 1v1 engagements it will win out almost every time, because the only time the overheat is a problem ina 1v1 is if you didn't manage to kill your opponent before you overheated, which I have proven in plenty of previous posts is rather difficult to with the amount of damage you can dish out before this happens.

Now you may say this balances the weapon, since it become useless against more than one person at a time, but think about every other weapon, how many weapons can you say are capable of engaging multiple people at a time and still coming out on top?

I personally can only think of 1 the HMG, which happens to have terrible range and accuracy while being strapped to the slowest moving suits in game, it can be easily outranged or outmanoeuvred.

So what you are in effect saying their is that it should take 2 people to take an ScR user, because that sounds like tanker logic and we all know what happened to them!

Personally the ScR needs a few changes
1. TACAR levels of hip fire dispersion
2. Lower ROF (480 RPM - Though am willing to conceed 520)
3. Longer delay after a charge shot

We've seen your numbers mac. You compared it with an Obviously UP rifle and it still only beat it out in the first two seconds and the last 11? Lol what fights even last that long. You forget to mention when talking about how its not a skill weapon that missing a single shot is roughly the equivalent of losing 1/10 to 1/20 of its dps.. in just a single shot. Come on, you and I both know, that without a modded pad, this is the most balanced rifle in the game

Can you please stop with the "ermahgerd ert hers atehunnerd deepee-ess! that's OPPPp!"
That amount of DPS is NEVER achieved by someone without nodded hardware. At most, the DPS achieved by skilled/twitchy/#blessedbythefingergods ScR users reaches 600, maybe 650, and even then, it would never be sustained for more than perhaps 3-4 rounds at most. On average, I would venture to say typical ScR users hover around 450-500 DPS in their volleys.

It isn't the ScR that's OP, its the controller that is OP.

That said, I do think the ScR could have a reduction to its RoF, but I don't think it should be under 525 rounds per minute, or more than 550 rounds per minute.
I think 540 is perfect. 9 rounds per second on the nose. A good percentage of players can actually achieve that RoF, thus the advantage conferred by modded hardware becomes negligible at most.

Would you rather have falloff damage?

*Less dispersion than AR, yet designed for long range.
*Outperforms all Conventional Rifles.
*RoF that can't be reached by humans.

If this is fine, may I have my pre-nerf Tactical PR back?