DUST Search - The Scrambler rifle....and proposed changes to it.

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

We all know the ScR is OP, the maths has been confirming it for ages, and the in-game stats from rattati also.
But before I begin lets get a few things out of the way.

1. The ScR is a higher skill based weapon
Under what context, the shots from the scrambled rifle behave in the exact same manner as every other rifle, their is travel time, their is no lack of aim assist, if anything it has better hipfire accuracy making it even easier to use.

2. The ScR is terrible against armour
No its not, its just not as effective, but despite this it can still outperform the armour profile weapons anyway. It has so much DPS it simply outpowers this drawback.

So now we begin, the problem with the ScR and suddenly the over performing burst HMG is that its a front loaded weapon, all the damage is at the beginning of the weapons time scale.

What this means is that in 1v1 engagements it will win out almost every time, because the only time the overheat is a problem ina 1v1 is if you didn't manage to kill your opponent before you overheated, which I have proven in plenty of previous posts is rather difficult to with the amount of damage you can dish out before this happens.

Now you may say this balances the weapon, since it become useless against more than one person at a time, but think about every other weapon, how many weapons can you say are capable of engaging multiple people at a time and still coming out on top?

I personally can only think of 1 the HMG, which happens to have terrible range and accuracy while being strapped to the slowest moving suits in game, it can be easily outranged or outmanoeuvred.

So what you are in effect saying their is that it should take 2 people to take an ScR user, because that sounds like tanker logic and we all know what happened to them!

Personally the ScR needs a few changes
1. TACAR levels of hip fire dispersion
2. Lower ROF (480 RPM - Though am willing to conceed 520)
3. Longer delay after a charge shot

Can you please stop with the "ermahgerd ert hers atehunnerd deepee-ess! that's OPPPp!"
That amount of DPS is NEVER achieved by someone without nodded hardware. At most, the DPS achieved by skilled/twitchy/#blessedbythefingergods ScR users reaches 600, maybe 650, and even then, it would never be sustained for more than perhaps 3-4 rounds at most. On average, I would venture to say typical ScR users hover around 450-500 DPS in their volleys.

It isn't the ScR that's OP, its the controller that is OP.

That said, I do think the ScR could have a reduction to its RoF, but I don't think it should be under 525 rounds per minute, or more than 550 rounds per minute.
I think 540 is perfect. 9 rounds per second on the nose. A good percentage of players can actually achieve that RoF, thus the advantage conferred by modded hardware becomes negligible at most.

They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!


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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3388	Posted - 2014.08.31 01:10:00 - [1] - Quote We all know the ScR is OP, the maths has been confirming it for ages, and the in-game stats from rattati also. But before I begin lets get a few things out of the way. 1. The ScR is a higher skill based weapon Under what context, the shots from the scrambled rifle behave in the exact same manner as every other rifle, their is travel time, their is no lack of aim assist, if anything it has better hipfire accuracy making it even easier to use. 2. The ScR is terrible against armour No its not, its just not as effective, but despite this it can still outperform the armour profile weapons anyway. It has so much DPS it simply outpowers this drawback. So now we begin, the problem with the ScR and suddenly the over performing burst HMG is that its a front loaded weapon, all the damage is at the beginning of the weapons time scale. What this means is that in 1v1 engagements it will win out almost every time, because the only time the overheat is a problem ina 1v1 is if you didn't manage to kill your opponent before you overheated, which I have proven in plenty of previous posts is rather difficult to with the amount of damage you can dish out before this happens. Now you may say this balances the weapon, since it become useless against more than one person at a time, but think about every other weapon, how many weapons can you say are capable of engaging multiple people at a time and still coming out on top? I personally can only think of 1 the HMG, which happens to have terrible range and accuracy while being strapped to the slowest moving suits in game, it can be easily outranged or outmanoeuvred. So what you are in effect saying their is that it should take 2 people to take an ScR user, because that sounds like tanker logic and we all know what happened to them! Personally the ScR needs a few changes 1. TACAR levels of hip fire dispersion 2. Lower ROF (480 RPM - Though am willing to conceed 520) 3. Longer delay after a charge shot They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3389	Posted - 2014.08.31 10:04:00 - [2] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: We've seen your numbers mac. You compared it with an Obviously UP rifle and it still only beat it out in the first two seconds and the last 11? Lol what fights even last that long. You forget to mention when talking about how its not a skill weapon that missing a single shot is roughly the equivalent of losing 1/10 to 1/20 of its dps.. in just a single shot. Come on, you and I both know, that without a modded pad, this is the most balanced rifle in the game If its the most balanced rifle, why is out performing the other rifles? Why is it doing better than every other rifle choice right now? IT IS FRONT LOADED, which like the Burst HMG is the reason it over performs, since afterall overheat is a problem if your enemy is already dead. If anything the AR is the most balanced rifle, it has a high DPS and short range like its supposed to it has decent accuracy a fair amount of kick and plenty of dispersion, it requires tactics to get into its preffered range, until an ScR comes along and blasts through in the 2 seconds of an engagement, inside your optimal at your preferred fight. And that is balanced, don't give me that Codswallop! They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3389	Posted - 2014.08.31 10:12:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: We all know the ScR is OP, the maths has been confirming it for ages, and the in-game stats from rattati also. But before I begin lets get a few things out of the way. 1. The ScR is a higher skill based weapon Under what context, the shots from the scrambled rifle behave in the exact same manner as every other rifle, their is travel time, their is no lack of aim assist, if anything it has better hipfire accuracy making it even easier to use. 2. The ScR is terrible against armour No its not, its just not as effective, but despite this it can still outperform the armour profile weapons anyway. It has so much DPS it simply outpowers this drawback. So now we begin, the problem with the ScR and suddenly the over performing burst HMG is that its a front loaded weapon, all the damage is at the beginning of the weapons time scale. What this means is that in 1v1 engagements it will win out almost every time, because the only time the overheat is a problem ina 1v1 is if you didn't manage to kill your opponent before you overheated, which I have proven in plenty of previous posts is rather difficult to with the amount of damage you can dish out before this happens. Now you may say this balances the weapon, since it become useless against more than one person at a time, but think about every other weapon, how many weapons can you say are capable of engaging multiple people at a time and still coming out on top? I personally can only think of 1 the HMG, which happens to have terrible range and accuracy while being strapped to the slowest moving suits in game, it can be easily outranged or outmanoeuvred. So what you are in effect saying their is that it should take 2 people to take an ScR user, because that sounds like tanker logic and we all know what happened to them! Personally the ScR needs a few changes 1. TACAR levels of hip fire dispersion 2. Lower ROF (480 RPM - Though am willing to conceed 520) 3. Longer delay after a charge shot Can you please stop with the "ermahgerd ert hers atehunnerd deepee-ess! that's OPPPp!" That amount of DPS is NEVER achieved by someone without nodded hardware. At most, the DPS achieved by skilled/twitchy/#blessedbythefingergods ScR users reaches 600, maybe 650, and even then, it would never be sustained for more than perhaps 3-4 rounds at most. On average, I would venture to say typical ScR users hover around 450-500 DPS in their volleys. It isn't the ScR that's OP, its the controller that is OP. That said, I do think the ScR could have a reduction to its RoF, but I don't think it should be under 525 rounds per minute, or more than 550 rounds per minute. I think 540 is perfect. 9 rounds per second on the nose. A good percentage of players can actually achieve that RoF, thus the advantage conferred by modded hardware becomes negligible at most. If a good percentage can hit 9 shots per second that's nearly 650, which still 200 more than the AR, which is the point I'm making some people have been taking that 11 shot per second extreme, but I have always used 8, I've even been accused of attempting to defend the rifle because of that, the ScR simply should not have more DPS at short range than a short range weapon. It is broken, completely and utterly broken! It needs for its range an average DPS of 400-415, where its lower than the Assault Variant Rifles of all but the caldari and the burst CR only marginally wins out, making its new damage profile come into play. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3