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George Moros RestlessSpirits 408	Posted - 2014.08.29 08:49:00 - [1] - Quote This complete lack of communication from CCP regarding Project Legion sends a very disturbing message. Half of the active threads here are on this subject, and still none of the devs responded even with a simple "I'm still here". At first, this could have been explained by vacation period, but as more and more time passes by one can't help but wonder... What the heck is happening with Legion CCP? Since I suspect that devs aren't playing this "silenzio stampa" game on their own volition, the most likely explanation is that they were told by the management to keep quiet. But why is it so? Considering everything that's been happening with DUST and CCP recently, I'm afraid that the answer to this question is more likely bad than good. However, whatever may be the cause of this silence, it is still an insult to the loyal fans of this game (since I suspect they are the only ones who still linger here). Pulvereus ergo queritor.
A Cactuar Trollolol .inc 7	Posted - 2014.08.29 16:12:00 - [2] - Quote They're probably taking an extended holiday until people finally realise that spending money on Dust is not a great idea. Kind Regards, Chunky Munkey
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5871	Posted - 2014.08.29 17:38:00 - [3] - Quote Silence only means there's nothing new worth writing about. "Here is our dev blog on the font we're using" pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 2752	Posted - 2014.08.29 22:27:00 - [4] - Quote A Cactuar wrote: They're probably taking an extended holiday until people finally realise that spending money on Dust is not a great idea. This. Also, those stickies at the top? Thes's where they share information. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9178	Posted - 2014.08.30 03:17:00 - [5] - Quote George Moros wrote: This complete lack of communication from CCP regarding Project Legion sends a very disturbing message. Half of the active threads here are on this subject, and still none of the devs responded even with a simple "I'm still here". At first, this could have been explained by vacation period, but as more and more time passes by one can't help but wonder... What the heck is happening with Legion CCP? Since I suspect that devs aren't playing this "silenzio stampa" game on their own volition, the most likely explanation is that they were told by the management to keep quiet. But why is it so? Considering everything that's been happening with DUST and CCP recently, I'm afraid that the answer to this question is more likely bad than good. However, whatever may be the cause of this silence, it is still an insult to the loyal fans of this game (since I suspect they are the only ones who still linger here). Let me tell you something I repeatedly said before. I want CCP to be quiet for once. Every time they posted a blog it was mostly something about what we already knew through various discussions with them in the past. Every time they promised anything, much of those promises were never delivered. And every time they hyped anything... well... you can take a wild ass guess what I'm about to say about that. Therefore, I don't take this silence as an insult at all. If anything, I'm glad they kept quiet for this long because it's a sign (to me at least) that just maybe their finally learning their lesson when it comes to promises, hype, and managing the expectations of the fan base. You can call it an insult for all I care. In the end, you know I'm right about what happened when CCP promised anything they couldn't deliver on. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3282	Posted - 2014.08.30 14:38:00 - [6] - Quote i agree with you base point, but i would rather they strike them middle like bugie does where they show us finished bits or just show us stuff been worked on. to be honest all i want from them is something like this [url]http://www.failbettergames.com/sunlesssearoadmap/[/url] as long as can see they have some kind of end goal and clear mark posts to reach it i can leave with them changing plan as long as its for a good reason, this constant burn over of ideas that they normally do, wont lead to a good enough product for legion to hit the mass of players it needs for its core ideas to work You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
George Moros RestlessSpirits 408	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:12:00 - [7] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Let me tell you something I repeatedly said before. I want CCP to be quiet for once. Every time they posted a blog it was mostly something about what we already knew through various discussions with them in the past. Every time they promised anything, much of those promises were never delivered. And every time they hyped anything... well... you can take a wild ass guess what I'm about to say about that. Therefore, I don't take this silence as an insult at all. If anything, I'm glad they kept quiet for this long because it's a sign (to me at least) that just maybe they're finally learning their lesson when it comes to promises, hype, and managing the expectations of the fan base. You can call it an insult for all I care. In the end, you know I'm right about what happened when CCP promised anything they couldn't deliver on. EDIT: To quote CCP: "let's see what they do, not what they say." I wasn't expecting hype nor (empty) promises. On the contrary. But you certainly remember what Legion forums looked like soon after Legion was announced. Devs were posting left and right, clarifying things, presenting ideas, requesting community feedback etc. Now, that looked to me like progress, and definite evidence that Legion is under development. However, this is not what we're seeing now. Legion forums are dead as far as devs are concerned. Of course, it is possible that Legion is currently in the stage of development where community feedback is not required, therefore devs are quiet. I certainly hope so. However, this still doesn't explain the fact that nobody form CCP is posting anything about Legion. Not even a "we're working on Legion, when we have something, we'll let you know". Even that would suffice. That type of silence is the silence I find disturbing. Pulvereus ergo queritor.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9181	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:16:00 - [8] - Quote George Moros wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Let me tell you something I repeatedly said before. I want CCP to be quiet for once. Every time they posted a blog it was mostly something about what we already knew through various discussions with them in the past. Every time they promised anything, much of those promises were never delivered. And every time they hyped anything... well... you can take a wild ass guess what I'm about to say about that. Therefore, I don't take this silence as an insult at all. If anything, I'm glad they kept quiet for this long because it's a sign (to me at least) that just maybe they're finally learning their lesson when it comes to promises, hype, and managing the expectations of the fan base. You can call it an insult for all I care. In the end, you know I'm right about what happened when CCP promised anything they couldn't deliver on. EDIT: To quote CCP: "let's see what they do, not what they say." I wasn't expecting hype nor (empty) promises. On the contrary. But you certainly remember what Legion forums looked like soon after Legion was announced. Devs were posting left and right, clarifying things, presenting ideas, requesting community feedback etc. Now, that looked to me like progress, and definite evidence that Legion is under development. However, this is not what we're seeing now. Legion forums are dead as far as devs are concerned. Of course, it is possible that Legion is currently in the stage of development where community feedback is not required, therefore devs are quiet. I certainly hope so. However, this still doesn't explain the fact that nobody form CCP is posting anything about Legion. Not even a "we're working on Legion, when we have something, we'll let you know". Even that would suffice. That type of silence is the silence I find disturbing. It still doesn't bother me the least. When you've known CCP for as long as I have, you'll understand why I enjoy the silence. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Spectre-M The Generals 825	Posted - 2014.09.06 04:14:00 - [9] - Quote The 3d industry is notorious for poor planning. I know, I'm a modeller. Managers think assets and rigging and everything else can be done overnight. Thier leads tell them it's unrealistic expectations to have the timelines they've set out. Managers don't care. So, from what I can see is this; Valkerie is behind. It's so behind that it won't launch with the Rift/Morpheus. Sony and Facebook are big clients and this is CCPs second chance with the biggest provider for next gen gaming and VR headsets. They are moving all resources besides EVE to finish Valkerie. Hence the quiet. No ones here, and Legion is on hiatus. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3293	Posted - 2014.09.06 15:33:00 - [10] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: The 3d industry is notorious for poor planning. I know, I'm a modeller. Managers think assets and rigging and everything else can be done overnight. Thier leads tell them it's unrealistic expectations to have the timelines they've set out. Managers don't care. So, from what I can see is this; Valkerie is behind. It's so behind that it won't launch with the Rift/Morpheus. Sony and Facebook are big clients and this is CCPs second chance with the biggest provider for next gen gaming and VR headsets. They are moving all resources besides EVE to finish Valkerie. Hence the quiet. No ones here, and Legion is on hiatus. Got to agree if i was ccp i would ditch legion and instead focuse on my money maker but i would least tell my communty whats up. Ccp is a dino these days i dont think they ha e whst it take anymore, elitle and star cit are also going to start eatting into there once safe marker You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9252	Posted - 2014.09.06 18:04:00 - [11] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Spectre-M wrote: The 3d industry is notorious for poor planning. I know, I'm a modeller. Managers think assets and rigging and everything else can be done overnight. Thier leads tell them it's unrealistic expectations to have the timelines they've set out. Managers don't care. So, from what I can see is this; Valkerie is behind. It's so behind that it won't launch with the Rift/Morpheus. Sony and Facebook are big clients and this is CCPs second chance with the biggest provider for next gen gaming and VR headsets. They are moving all resources besides EVE to finish Valkerie. Hence the quiet. No ones here, and Legion is on hiatus. Got to agree if i was ccp i would ditch legion and instead focuse on my money maker but i would least tell my communty whats up. Ccp is a dino these days i dont think they ha e whst it take anymore, elitle and star cit are also going to start eatting into there once safe marker Blizzard is just as much of a dinosaur yet they're still around. The reason Blizzard is still around is because they didn't commit the grave mistake of just sticking to one game. They diversified their portfolio so that when one game starts to age, the others pick up the slack. It's absolutely foolish these days for a successful company to just focus on one game and nothing more for the rest of their lives. CCP is a successful company and if they need to keep up with competition like Blizzard they need to expand. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2833	Posted - 2014.09.07 00:17:00 - [12] - Quote Last week IWS stated that Legion's development continues. He could not comment on what exactly what being done or when CCP was going to tell us something; although he did say that all of the CPM are urging CCP to begin Legion discussions asap. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. Instead, contact the CPM members on these forums and request more communication from CCP. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3294	Posted - 2014.09.07 18:59:00 - [13] - Quote Riley they said that about dust for like 6 months, IWS even told me new guns and maps where coming, and just said wait till fanfest and then we all know how that went. i dont trust the word a CPM says as CCP could just bullshit to them as well the CPM are just focuse testers they dont no anymore than we do, until i here offical news source the CPM are just white noise. You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9278	Posted - 2014.09.08 16:47:00 - [14] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Riley they said that about dust for like 6 months, IWS even told me new guns and maps where coming, and just said wait till fanfest and then we all know how that went. i dont trust the word a CPM says as CCP could just bullshit to them, as well the CPM are just focuse testers they dont no anymore than we do, until i here offical news source the CPM are just white noise. Let's just hope CCP learned their lesson this time for once. World of Darkness' cancellation (which cost them over $20 million in R&D funding) and the failure of Dust on the PS3 burned them big time after all. Let's also not ignore the fact that many Eve Online players today still give CCP a hard time over what happened with Incarna (Eve's expansion) back in 2011. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3295	Posted - 2014.09.08 17:16:00 - [15] - Quote tbh iv seen no signs CCP has learned any lessons yet more people have quit (cant find the site that shows the company reviews but its been posted a few times) tbh i think CCP is in denial that they can somehow save the company by doing the same thing under the false idea they just made a bad choice with WoD and that its the PS3 fault dust didnt work. rather than it been a management fuckup for both games failing. have we acuttaly seen any indication CCP is ontop of things all we have is on video and few token posts iv not acutely seen anything that could count as progress You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9280	Posted - 2014.09.08 17:56:00 - [16] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: tbh iv seen no signs CCP has learned any lessons yet more people have quit (cant find the site that shows the company reviews but its been posted a few times) tbh i think CCP is in denial that they can somehow save the company by doing the same thing under the false idea they just made a bad choice with WoD and that its the PS3 fault dust didnt work. rather than it been a management fuckup for both games failing. have we acuttaly seen any indication CCP is ontop of things all we have is on video and few token posts iv not acutely seen anything that could count as progress Source: http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs Well, according to this report, CCP is not underwater so far but it did receive a "severe thrashing" with the cancellation of WoD. If that doesn't force CCP to learn its lesson, I don't know what can. But yes, management screw ups on their part did play a big role. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
DaReaperPW Net 7 The Last Brigade 31	Posted - 2014.09.08 20:00:00 - [17] - Quote This is the new CCP, don;t talk about ** till its set in stone. I rather like it. In the past it bit them in the ass. Hell look at the rouge wedding, that was pulled off so crappily because they were trying to keep dust and legion migration hushed as they did not wan tto hype it, and then they gave no info on dust future. They messed up there, so i think they are taking a 'not say anything till its ready to be seen and set in stone' stance to prevent people having fits if, say, they go 'in legion you will invade eve space stations' then when they cut it later as a soon(tm) item people can;t and moan about it. And if legion is quitely killed, no one can ** and moan about that either.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16395	Posted - 2014.09.10 00:30:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Last week IWS stated that Legion's development continues. He could not comment on what exactly what being done or when CCP was going to tell us something; although he did say that all of the CPM are urging CCP to begin Legion discussions asap. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. Instead, contact the CPM members on these forums and request more communication from CCP. I rather let CCP share that information to be honest. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Blaster =// Unlocked
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9292	Posted - 2014.09.10 04:00:00 - [19] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: This is the new CCP, don;t talk about ** till its set in stone. I rather like it. In the past it bit them in the ass. Hell look at the rouge wedding, that was pulled off so crappily because they were trying to keep dust and legion migration hushed as they did not wan tto hype it, and then they gave no info on dust future. They messed up there, so i think they are taking a 'not say anything till its ready to be seen and set in stone' stance to prevent people having fits if, say, they go 'in legion you will invade eve space stations' then when they cut it later as a soon(tm) item people can;t and moan about it. And if legion is quitely killed, no one can ** and moan about that either. That may be true, but to see a cancellation on Legion at this stage will only add to the bad repertoire that CCP recently got with the cancellation of World of Darkness and the red wedding that occurred during Fanfest 2014. Let's also never forget about what happened with Eve Online's Incarna expansion and the monoclegate which started the Jita Riots that somehow caused CCP to lose enough subscriptions to be forced to lay off 20% of their staff back in 2011. It's all or nothing with Legion. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
the HUMAN Calculator M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn 0	Posted - 2014.09.10 05:47:00 - [20] - Quote What if CCP gave us an event to earn a little info about what's happening with Legion Doesn't that sound like a fare deal CCP please give a dust bunny drop suit

steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3295	Posted - 2014.09.10 09:44:00 - [21] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: tbh iv seen no signs CCP has learned any lessons yet more people have quit (cant find the site that shows the company reviews but its been posted a few times) tbh i think CCP is in denial that they can somehow save the company by doing the same thing under the false idea they just made a bad choice with WoD and that its the PS3 fault dust didnt work. rather than it been a management fuckup for both games failing. have we acuttaly seen any indication CCP is ontop of things all we have is on video and few token posts iv not acutely seen anything that could count as progress Source: http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs Well, according to this report, CCP is not underwater so far but it did receive a "severe thrashing" with the cancellation of WoD. If that doesn't force CCP to learn its lesson, I don't know what can. But yes, management screw ups on their part did play a big role. I get yeh point but iv seen many companies of all sizes circle the drain because on the inside they just won't admit where problems are and blame the workforce instead. normal in publicly listed companies the board would have forced officer change by this point but i dont ccp is listed or if it is the stake holders have a conflict of intrest and thus management are not held to account and thus nothing changes. Now I'm holding out hope this is not the case but i simple lying point to thq as an example of a gaming company that kept getting it wrong EA is also in that risk area but they get it right enough to recover. Either way ccp makes a great case study and i hope things have changed and none comms is more a case of a directive not to say anything at all to avoid more reputation damage. Which is acknowledged a problem and taking the wrong action but it's better than missing the issue all together. You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
George Moros RestlessSpirits 413	Posted - 2014.09.10 11:14:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: That may be true, but to see a cancellation on Legion at this stage will only add to the bad repertoire that CCP recently got with the cancellation of World of Darkness and the red wedding that occurred during Fanfest 2014. Let's also never forget about what happened with Eve Online's Incarna expansion and the monoclegate which started the Jita Riots that somehow caused CCP to lose enough subscriptions to be forced to lay off 20% of their staff back in 2011. It's all or nothing with Legion. I completely agree with you here. If CCP cancels Legion, they can pretty much forget that anyone will regard them as a serious game developer. CCP, after all these years of developing something other than EVE, have yet to prove that EVE wasn't just a "one hit wonder". Pulvereus ergo queritor.
DaReaperPW Net 7 The Last Brigade 32	Posted - 2014.09.12 23:19:00 - [23] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DaReaperPW wrote: This is the new CCP, don;t talk about ** till its set in stone. I rather like it. In the past it bit them in the ass. Hell look at the rouge wedding, that was pulled off so crappily because they were trying to keep dust and legion migration hushed as they did not wan tto hype it, and then they gave no info on dust future. They messed up there, so i think they are taking a 'not say anything till its ready to be seen and set in stone' stance to prevent people having fits if, say, they go 'in legion you will invade eve space stations' then when they cut it later as a soon(tm) item people can;t and moan about it. And if legion is quitely killed, no one can ** and moan about that either. That may be true, but to see a cancellation on Legion at this stage will only add to the bad repertoire that CCP recently got with the cancellation of World of Darkness and the red wedding that occurred during Fanfest 2014. Let's also never forget about what happened with Eve Online's Incarna expansion and the monoclegate which started the Jita Riots that somehow caused CCP to lose enough subscriptions to be forced to lay off 20% of their staff back in 2011. It's all or nothing with Legion. No, not nessicarily. You forget, EVE subs is what is paying for Dust/Legion. If CCP announced closing of legion and dust with full focus 100% on eve forever, you would see the eve forusm explode with cheers. Legion, to an EVE player is nothing, if it died they won;t care and CCP will go on fine without it. Don;t fool youself into thinking that legion will make or break ccp, cause it wouldn't. However, it would greatly damage there rep and there finances. But i highly, hightly doubt at this phase legion is dead. As i said a few times, Valk forums on eve or nearly dead with just very little trickle of info. Nothing new has been posted there since fan fest, no new info, no new anything. Legion forums here got more info then valk did. The only difference is, you can try valk because ccp wants to hype it up and its awesome. But as said, no news is not really bad or good. It just means they are working. I would rather they keep tight lips, and not spill something that has to be cut and disapoint, or over hype, then say stuff that either fails to deliver or gets changed. We will see in just over a month at vegas if we get new info. then there s still eve down under and fan fest.
DaReaperPW Net 7 The Last Brigade 32	Posted - 2014.09.12 23:22:00 - [24] - Quote George Moros wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: That may be true, but to see a cancellation on Legion at this stage will only add to the bad repertoire that CCP recently got with the cancellation of World of Darkness and the red wedding that occurred during Fanfest 2014. Let's also never forget about what happened with Eve Online's Incarna expansion and the monoclegate which started the Jita Riots that somehow caused CCP to lose enough subscriptions to be forced to lay off 20% of their staff back in 2011. It's all or nothing with Legion. I completely agree with you here. If CCP cancels Legion, they can pretty much forget that anyone will regard them as a serious game developer. CCP, after all these years of developing something other than EVE, have yet to prove that EVE wasn't just a "one hit wonder". And with alot of eve players that really doesn;t bother them. But i do think ccp messed up with WoD and should of made that, but alas...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9340	Posted - 2014.09.13 03:07:00 - [25] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: DaReaperPW wrote: This is the new CCP, don;t talk about ** till its set in stone. I rather like it. In the past it bit them in the ass. Hell look at the rouge wedding, that was pulled off so crappily because they were trying to keep dust and legion migration hushed as they did not wan tto hype it, and then they gave no info on dust future. They messed up there, so i think they are taking a 'not say anything till its ready to be seen and set in stone' stance to prevent people having fits if, say, they go 'in legion you will invade eve space stations' then when they cut it later as a soon(tm) item people can;t and moan about it. And if legion is quitely killed, no one can ** and moan about that either. That may be true, but to see a cancellation on Legion at this stage will only add to the bad repertoire that CCP recently got with the cancellation of World of Darkness and the red wedding that occurred during Fanfest 2014. Let's also never forget about what happened with Eve Online's Incarna expansion and the monoclegate which started the Jita Riots that somehow caused CCP to lose enough subscriptions to be forced to lay off 20% of their staff back in 2011. It's all or nothing with Legion. No, not nessicarily. You forget, EVE subs is what is paying for Dust/Legion. If CCP announced closing of legion and dust with full focus 100% on eve forever, you would see the eve forusm explode with cheers. Legion, to an EVE player is nothing, if it died they won;t care and CCP will go on fine without it. Don;t fool youself into thinking that legion will make or break ccp, cause it wouldn't. However, it would greatly damage there rep and there finances. But i highly, hightly doubt at this phase legion is dead. As i said a few times, Valk forums on eve or nearly dead with just very little trickle of info. Nothing new has been posted there since fan fest, no new info, no new anything. Legion forums here got more info then valk did. The only difference is, you can try valk because ccp wants to hype it up and its awesome. But as said, no news is not really bad or good. It just means they are working. I would rather they keep tight lips, and not spill something that has to be cut and disapoint, or over hype, then say stuff that either fails to deliver or gets changed. We will see in just over a month at vegas if we get new info. then there s still eve down under and fan fest. That's not what I meant when I said "all or nothing with Legion". CCP clearly can do alright financially without Legion or Dust, but the reputation is what's at stake here. CCP always bragged about wanting to create the ultimate space simulation experience with Valkyrie, Legion, and Eve, but no one will take that seriously anymore if Legion were to get cancelled. If Legion gets cancelled than many people will expect the same for Valkyrie and if Valkyrie gets cancelled it won't look good to CCP's shareholders who are expecting returns from these investments and it sure as hell won't look good to the rest of the gaming community some of which are already viewing Eve Online like it's an aging dinosaur. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4839	Posted - 2014.09.13 07:22:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Last week IWS stated that Legion's development continues. He could not comment on what exactly what being done or when CCP was going to tell us something; although he did say that all of the CPM are urging CCP to begin Legion discussions asap. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. Instead, contact the CPM members on these forums and request more communication from CCP. I rather let CCP share that information to be honest. Thats because you'll be fired.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9349	Posted - 2014.09.13 15:26:00 - [27] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Last week IWS stated that Legion's development continues. He could not comment on what exactly what being done or when CCP was going to tell us something; although he did say that all of the CPM are urging CCP to begin Legion discussions asap. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. Instead, contact the CPM members on these forums and request more communication from CCP. I rather let CCP share that information to be honest. Thats because you'll be fired. psst... IWS is in the CPM, not a paid employee. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
George Moros RestlessSpirits 416	Posted - 2014.09.15 11:55:00 - [28] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: George Moros wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: That may be true, but to see a cancellation on Legion at this stage will only add to the bad repertoire that CCP recently got with the cancellation of World of Darkness and the red wedding that occurred during Fanfest 2014. Let's also never forget about what happened with Eve Online's Incarna expansion and the monoclegate which started the Jita Riots that somehow caused CCP to lose enough subscriptions to be forced to lay off 20% of their staff back in 2011. It's all or nothing with Legion. I completely agree with you here. If CCP cancels Legion, they can pretty much forget that anyone will regard them as a serious game developer. CCP, after all these years of developing something other than EVE, have yet to prove that EVE wasn't just a "one hit wonder". And with alot of eve players that really doesn;t bother them. But i do think ccp messed up with WoD and should of made that, but alas... EVE players may be a rather reclusive bunch, not caring for anything other than EVE. But they're not stupid. If nothing else, they are well aware of the huge amount of time and resources CCP wasted on WoD (and DUST) that could have been used to make EVE better. In fact, although EVE community for the most part never really cared about DUST, it is quite possible they would (or will) care for Legion if it turns out to be successful. Legion, if done right, can only make EVE better. Regardless of whether EVE community is aware of that or not. Pulvereus ergo queritor.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3320	Posted - 2014.09.15 14:22:00 - [29] - Quote If the make legion a sub within eve that would be best move in encourages all sides to play both games and if legion becomes a hit it will increase eves and legions bugets' also paired release cycles could be done to stop staff stealing as both games would need to be ready You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4850	Posted - 2014.09.15 15:31:00 - [30] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Last week IWS stated that Legion's development continues. He could not comment on what exactly what being done or when CCP was going to tell us something; although he did say that all of the CPM are urging CCP to begin Legion discussions asap. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. Instead, contact the CPM members on these forums and request more communication from CCP. I rather let CCP share that information to be honest. Thats because you'll be fired. psst... IWS is in the CPM, not a paid employee. Just means he's a fool working for free. He can still get fired. Remember Nova Knife?

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16519	Posted - 2014.09.23 16:04:00 - [31] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Last week IWS stated that Legion's development continues. He could not comment on what exactly what being done or when CCP was going to tell us something; although he did say that all of the CPM are urging CCP to begin Legion discussions asap. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. Instead, contact the CPM members on these forums and request more communication from CCP. I rather let CCP share that information to be honest. Thats because you'll be fired. psst... IWS is in the CPM, not a paid employee. Just means he's a fool working for free. He can still get fired. Remember Nova Knife? This is true I can get fired. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 230	Posted - 2014.09.23 19:18:00 - [32] - Quote IWS is most legit person ive ever seen in EVE i will blindly follow him anywhere because he wants whats best for the community. because of IWS i can patiently wait as long as it takes and i guarantee that i will be playing legion for next 10 years if ccp lets me Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
George Moros RestlessSpirits 419	Posted - 2014.10.17 11:01:00 - [33] - Quote http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/10/dust-514-dev-update/ So, finally some mention of PL from CCP. It seems PL is still waiting for the green light. Maybe we'll get the answer by next fanfest. Maybe. IMHO, considering the way CCP announced PL last fanfest, this is taking too long. You don't announce a game, knowing that it will infuriate a good portion of your current customers, and then wait for a year to decide whether the announcement was for real or just a (bad) joke. Pulvereus ergo queritor.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4575	Posted - 2014.10.17 13:26:00 - [34] - Quote I donGÇÖt think the guys that made the decision on how to announce Legion had any idea that the DUST community would react like that. Rouge knew, but they did not listen to him. The guys at CCP head office had been listening to EVE players complain for years that DUST should be on PC, so they probably expected everyone to be thrilled. #outoftouch I do expect we will hear a lot more about Legion at the next Fan Fest. I was hoping for something at EVE Vegas, but I am not holding my breath. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2184	Posted - 2014.10.17 15:20:00 - [35] - Quote George Moros wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/10/dust-514-dev-update/ So, finally some mention of PL from CCP. It seems PL is still waiting for the green light. Maybe we'll get the answer by next fanfest. Maybe. IMHO, considering the way CCP announced PL last fanfest, this is taking too long. You don't announce a game, knowing that it will infuriate a good portion of your current customers, and then wait for a year to decide whether the announcement was for real or just a (bad) joke. They were forced to announce it at FanFest because people would figure it out anyway since there would be no information or further development on DUST. Ideally they wouldn't want to announce it this soon, but it was neccessary in this situation. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion 936	Posted - 2014.10.17 21:45:00 - [36] - Quote The 1.9 update also kinda makes me wonder about a few things? This seems like a cool update but how much of the team worked on this? Are they still focused on Dust 514? How many people are working on Legion? Are they working on Legion at all? Supporter of EVE LEGION
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4599	Posted - 2014.10.18 00:37:00 - [37] - Quote da GAND wrote: The 1.9 update also kinda makes me wonder about a few things? This seems like a cool update but how much of the team worked on this? Are they still focused on Dust 514? How many people are working on Legion? Are they working on Legion at all? The biggest thing in 1.9 is the new maps, but those maps were pulled from a previous patch at the last minute because they were not quite done, then shelved when they shifted to working on Legion, so they must have been almost done. Taking them off the shelf and finishing them off would not have taken an immense amount of Dev time, and is a lot of bang for the buck. Which is to say, most of the Dev time is still focused on Legion, but DUST may be able to borrow some Dev time if it continues to do well and there is something that is worth doing. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9781	Posted - 2014.10.18 02:18:00 - [38] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: da GAND wrote: The 1.9 update also kinda makes me wonder about a few things? This seems like a cool update but how much of the team worked on this? Are they still focused on Dust 514? How many people are working on Legion? Are they working on Legion at all? The biggest thing in 1.9 is the new maps, but those maps were pulled from a previous patch at the last minute because they were not quite done, then shelved when they shifted to working on Legion, so they must have been almost done. Taking them off the shelf and finishing them off would not have taken an immense amount of Dev time, and is a lot of bang for the buck. Which is to say, most of the Dev time is still focused on Legion, but DUST may be able to borrow some Dev time if it continues to do well and there is something that is worth doing. My thoughts exactly. I have heard about these "new maps" before especially on the new outpost like the Caldari Production Facility. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion 936	Posted - 2014.10.18 03:21:00 - [39] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: da GAND wrote: The 1.9 update also kinda makes me wonder about a few things? This seems like a cool update but how much of the team worked on this? Are they still focused on Dust 514? How many people are working on Legion? Are they working on Legion at all? The biggest thing in 1.9 is the new maps, but those maps were pulled from a previous patch at the last minute because they were not quite done, then shelved when they shifted to working on Legion, so they must have been almost done. Taking them off the shelf and finishing them off would not have taken an immense amount of Dev time, and is a lot of bang for the buck. Which is to say, most of the Dev time is still focused on Legion, but DUST may be able to borrow some Dev time if it continues to do well and there is something that is worth doing. Ya I see what you mean, bringing maps that were shelved might not have cost too much time or amount of devs but what about being able to sell salvage to NPC vendors? Supporter of EVE LEGION
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4607	Posted - 2014.10.18 12:20:00 - [40] - Quote Yes, that probably required a bit of Dev time, since it would require some interface changes, but I expect they kept it simple. Keep in mind though that Faction Warfare was designed around the premise that we would be able to sell Salvage on the open market. Without that, FW produced no ISK. So a way to sell Salvage was one of their highest priority items that needed to be added to DUST. Again, it was a really big Bang for the Buck. So, yes, they did redirect some Dev time from Legion to work on DUST, but only on the stuff that would have the most positive impact for the least amount of effort. Rattati probably has to have a clear plan and a really strong business case to get approval to take a Dev off of Legion. I would not worry about Legion development because of the 1.9 changes. The 1.9 stuff is only taking a small fraction of the DevGÇÖs time. And keeping DUST going strong helps make the case for Greenlighting Legion, as well as helping to finance it. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Kaughst Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 720	Posted - 2014.10.18 14:54:00 - [41] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Yes, that probably required a bit of Dev time, since it would require some interface changes, but I expect they kept it simple. Keep in mind though that Faction Warfare was designed around the premise that we would be able to sell Salvage on the open market. Without that, FW produced no ISK. So a way to sell Salvage was one of their highest priority items that needed to be added to DUST. Again, it was a really big Bang for the Buck. So, yes, they did redirect some Dev time from Legion to work on DUST, but only on the stuff that would have the most positive impact for the least amount of effort. Rattati probably has to have a clear plan and a really strong business case to get approval to take a Dev off of Legion. I would not worry about Legion development because of the 1.9 changes. The 1.9 stuff is only taking a small fraction of the DevGÇÖs time. And keeping DUST going strong helps make the case for Greenlighting Legion, as well as helping to finance it. It makes me think...the whole reason why they are working on 1.9 that is... Does it mean that they feel confident enough with Legion and are ahead of themselves in development enough to give these improvements in Dust? "Why do we fight?" "To win the war." "Meh... Works for me."
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2184	Posted - 2014.10.18 16:10:00 - [42] - Quote Kaughst wrote: It makes me think...the whole reason why they are working on 1.9 that is... Does it mean that they feel confident enough with Legion and are ahead of themselves in development enough to give these improvements in Dust? Rather that they realised they need to do some work on DUST to keep people playing that until Legion is done, which could be a while. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion 936	Posted - 2014.10.18 23:21:00 - [43] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Yes, that probably required a bit of Dev time, since it would require some interface changes, but I expect they kept it simple. Keep in mind though that Faction Warfare was designed around the premise that we would be able to sell Salvage on the open market. Without that, FW produced no ISK. So a way to sell Salvage was one of their highest priority items that needed to be added to DUST. Again, it was a really big Bang for the Buck. So, yes, they did redirect some Dev time from Legion to work on DUST, but only on the stuff that would have the most positive impact for the least amount of effort. Rattati probably has to have a clear plan and a really strong business case to get approval to take a Dev off of Legion. I would not worry about Legion development because of the 1.9 changes. The 1.9 stuff is only taking a small fraction of the DevGÇÖs time. And keeping DUST going strong helps make the case for Greenlighting Legion, as well as helping to finance it. It makes me think...the whole reason why they are working on 1.9 that is... Does it mean that they feel confident enough with Legion and are ahead of themselves in development enough to give these improvements in Dust? No seems more like testing for Legion, not to just get people to keep playing Dust. Which is a good idea. Supporter of EVE LEGION
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 596	Posted - 2014.10.19 00:56:00 - [44] - Quote Doesn't look like much has changed since I have been away. But, it doesn't matter much. I hope CCP is actually building Legion. I hope it doesn't turn into another 8 year project and end up like World of Darkness. However, moving on is what I have done. I have little faith in CCP at this point due to past digressions. If Legion becomes a reality I will give it a chance. I will not expect the world or expect anything beyond what I am familiar with from CCP. Then maybe...just maybe....I'll be pleasantly surprised. Just a Note: After playing many games..including Destiny I know now how much better of a game Dust 514 really is. It lacks a lot of things, but it still is a lot more in depth then any other FPS I have played to date. Where CCP failed with Dust I hope they succeed with Legion. The IP is worth the time. Director, Dust University @TrueXer0z
lateris ablon Commando Perkone Caldari State 32	Posted - 2014.10.19 07:53:00 - [45] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Doesn't look like much has changed since I have been away. But, it doesn't matter much. I hope CCP is actually building Legion. I hope it doesn't turn into another 8 year project and end up like World of Darkness. However, moving on is what I have done. I have little faith in CCP at this point due to past digressions. If Legion becomes a reality I will give it a chance. I will not expect the world or expect anything beyond what I am familiar with from CCP. Then maybe...just maybe....I'll be pleasantly surprised. Just a Note: After playing many games..including Destiny I know now how much better of a game Dust 514 really is. It lacks a lot of things, but it still is a lot more in depth then any other FPS I have played to date. Where CCP failed with Dust I hope they succeed with Legion. The IP is worth the time. Agreed. ATC


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