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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:52:00 -
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Oh praise the Lord my brethren! CCP ratatti made a poll in the feedback section which is going to be the deciding factor if we are going to get rid of vehicles forever on Ambush. The days of tank drivers farming clueless blueberrys are about to face the same end like the dinosaurs. Now go ahead and give a like to the option for Ambush OMS only WITHOUT vehicles. This way the matches last longer and we never have to deal with annoying vehicles ever again! Together we can banish the farmers into Skirmish and Domination. Now go here and read the word of our saviour:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174046&find=unread
They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of:
"GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
395
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:27:00 -
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This is beyond dumb, and I don't even tank.
I could, I mean, I have the skills on the character I just really suck at tanking |
Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
2
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:46:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Oh praise the Lord my brethren! CCP ratatti made a poll in the feedback section which is going to be the deciding factor if we are going to get rid of vehicles forever on Ambush. The days of tank drivers farming clueless blueberrys are about to face the same end like the dinosaurs. Now go ahead and give a like to the option for Ambush OMS only WITHOUT vehicles. This way the matches last longer and we never have to deal with annoying vehicles ever again! Together we can banish the farmers into Skirmish and Domination. Now go here and read the word of our saviour: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174046&find=unread
HALLELUJAH! CCP FINALLY DID SOMETHING RIGHT! |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
17449
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:52:00 -
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glory to rattattatati
Sometimes I feel as if I've encountered the limits of human stupidity.
And then, once more, I return to the forums.
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
420
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:20:00 -
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Wow, proto scrubs will now be everywhere.
Thats just bad idea. Making someone who puts all his sp into vehs unable to play gamemode.
Maybe next time we will ban guns from domination?
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2666
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:44:00 -
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Call of duty 514
Go play a few matches Of black ops then come back and beg for vehicles to stay.
Bring These Back
i Tanker Turned Ads Pilot !
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ROADKILLURAZZ
MURDER TAXI COMPANY
91
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:49:00 -
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How stupid is that? Now to get a tank fix..................... Domination
You guys have fun with that! |
XANDER KAG
642
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:19:00 -
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This is really going to screw over skirm and dom players, I can just feel it.
But, i'm not dead!
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
749
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:24:00 -
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I don't mind vehicles in OMS, I mind not having the ability to choose between Ambush and OMS. |
RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
397
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:26:00 -
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People want open world game play but at the same time vehicles eliminated from certain situations.
I know Dust isn't open world, but ffs man.
So pilots don't get to choose what games they play, but infantry get anything they want. That's not right. |
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
749
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:26:00 -
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ROADKILLURAZZ wrote:How stupid is that? Now to get a tank fix..................... Domination
You guys have fun with that!
If anything we need a "No Dropship" clause in Domination. As of now, Domination is just "who can get Uplinks the fastest and highest near the Objective" |
Sum1ne Else
Fatal Absolution
1378
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:27:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:I don't mind vehicles in OMS, I mind not having the ability to choose between Ambush and OMS.
+1
Keep it how it is until there is a time these two modes can be separated.
Longest PLC Kill - 193.71m
Logi mk.0 - Com gk.0 - Scout gk.0 - Ass ak.0
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2361
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:36:00 -
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Such a crap idea.
Not having tanks in OMS removes all interest in ambush for me. I enjoy making would be stompers burn.
Too bad the sentiment is not shared. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1943
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:41:00 -
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THIS JUST IN:
CCP says Titans removed from null sec combat in EVE Online. States too many frigate whiners as the cause.
Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3211
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:41:00 -
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Don't get all the QQ. Play the other game modes?
The problem with Ambush, is that we couldn't choose which mode we wanted after some forgotten patch. If, and that's a big IF, we get the option back, we might see vehicles in Ambush OMS again. |
Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2667
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:43:00 -
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How about we remove guns in ambush?
If your not Vehicle or Anti-Vehicle then STFU about tanks, ads, swarms, forges, etc.
Bring These Back
i Tanker Turned Ads Pilot !
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2362
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:43:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Don't get all the QQ. Play the other game modes?
The problem with Ambush, is that we couldn't choose which mode we wanted after some forgotten patch. If, and that's a big IF, we get the option back, we might see vehicles in Ambush OMS again.
Vehicles are the only thing that makes the ambush circlejerk even slightly interesting. Otherwise its running around in circles mashing the trigger butan. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2362
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:45:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:How about we remove guns in ambush?
If your not Vehicle or Anti-Vehicle then STFU about tanks, ads, swarms, forges, etc.
AV is the only interesting role in DUST besides playing FORUMS 514. |
Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
480
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:50:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Don't get all the QQ. Play the other game modes?
The problem with Ambush, is that we couldn't choose which mode we wanted after some forgotten patch. If, and that's a big IF, we get the option back, we might see vehicles in Ambush OMS again.
The problem with those modes ....... they are too long and not very cost effective for the extra play time.. As an AV trooper who doesn't doesn't drive tanks this is ******* stupid .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2667
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:56:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Don't get all the QQ. Play the other game modes?
The problem with Ambush, is that we couldn't choose which mode we wanted after some forgotten patch. If, and that's a big IF, we get the option back, we might see vehicles in Ambush OMS again.
Kwik Kash Bro Kwik Kash
Bring These Back
i Tanker Turned Ads Pilot !
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Denchlad 7
Dead Man's Game
484
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:21:00 -
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Not the solution.
Seperating Ambush and Ambush OMS into different gamemodes entirely is the solution.
Though I feel like that would require a clientside update. As a pilot, yes im biased. But I have enough points in infantry (more, in fact), to know Domination will now become Tanknation. Or Tankish. Either or. Probably the former. Bad choice nonetheless.
I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. 2 to go.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
399
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:38:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:ROADKILLURAZZ wrote:How stupid is that? Now to get a tank fix..................... Domination
You guys have fun with that! If anything we need a "No Dropship" clause in Domination. As of now, Domination is just "who can get Uplinks the fastest and highest near the Objective"
I'm embarrassed your in the same alliance I am based solely on this post |
Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
219
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:57:00 -
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I was very happy that tanks were removed from ambush, but I'll be pissed if they are removed OMS. I don't tank or use dropships, but I do love running AV and now I might not be able to run AV in OMS. That would seriously suck. This change would screw tankers, DS pilots, and AVers.
To be honest, I don't undrstand what the problem is with vehicles in OMS. Unlike ambush, the clone count is higher and supply depots rain down from the sky. Tank trolling the blueberries? Then they can switch to AV fits. Haven't speced into AV? Use the AV starter fit, or protect an AVer from infantry while they take on the tank. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
529
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:08:00 -
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I feel like these vehicle bans are just working around the fact that they never could make an actual "Smart" deploy.
I don't understand why people are only now calling ambush Call of Duty 514.... it's a TDM game mode, it already was Call of Duty 514.
But I agree that they should separate Ambush OMS and Ambush instead of banning vehicles from both. We used to be able to pick ambush/ambush OMS back before the contract overhaul. |
Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
519
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:13:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:ROADKILLURAZZ wrote:How stupid is that? Now to get a tank fix..................... Domination
You guys have fun with that! If anything we need a "No Dropship" clause in Domination. As of now, Domination is just "who can get Uplinks the fastest and highest near the Objective" I'm embarrassed your in the same alliance I am based solely on this post
Well hey, remember when there was a lower ceiling height to dropships? You could only go to about half the height of the MCC.
*shudders*
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:14:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Oh praise the Lord my brethren! CCP ratatti made a poll in the feedback section which is going to be the deciding factor if we are going to get rid of vehicles forever on Ambush. The days of tank drivers farming clueless blueberrys are about to face the same end like the dinosaurs. Now go ahead and give a like to the option for Ambush OMS only WITHOUT vehicles. This way the matches last longer and we never have to deal with annoying vehicles ever again! Together we can banish the farmers into Skirmish and Domination. Now go here and read the word of our saviour: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174046&find=unread
Wow a raimbow affect complaining about vehicles in ambush. Never thought id see the day.
Why?
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
753
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:15:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:ROADKILLURAZZ wrote:How stupid is that? Now to get a tank fix..................... Domination
You guys have fun with that! If anything we need a "No Dropship" clause in Domination. As of now, Domination is just "who can get Uplinks the fastest and highest near the Objective" I'm embarrassed your in the same alliance I am based solely on this post
Would you please explain what Domination is other than what I described?
Dude, this game is finished, alliances don't mean crap anymore. |
Tebu Gan
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1179
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:21:00 -
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You know, this is a pretty complicated issue. A few things nobody seems to mention is how the tank and turret interactions work now. OMS provides infantry that choose not to AV a powerful outlet to counter tanks or ADS. But another thing to note:
It's not just the TANKING role that you are eliminating from ambush, but also the AV role.
From just my personal experiences, and I play bush a LOT, tanks aren't the murder machines everyone wants to make them out to be. Sure I've had my matches where I was the only tanker on the field, against multiple AV (AV that wasn't pro level nor coordinated), where I simply melted everything my blaster touched.
On the other hand, I have matches where I struggle just to make a single kill, and a single commando AV with a logi reppin can keep me denied for the most part. I've recently ran into situation like this. Where I go from one OMS bush where everything just melted to one where my blaster hardly puts a dent in a lot of the suits I'm playing against.
Part of this is map dependent of course, the one where I melted them was a bit more open, but they were fighting in an area of cover, and the other provided much more cover.
But what really makes the biggest difference is what they run (infantry). In that first match I had a very easy time. No pro AV, no other tanks to worry about (aside from sicas that I dropped as they came in, not that they stood a chance to my tank in the first place), and a lot of redberries running cheap low eHP suits. 29-0 that match, a little over 1/3 of the clone count.
My other match, I didn't just point and watch as a few bullets connect for a kill. No I had to work at those kills and maintain a steady stream of damage to suits to drop them. Many of these people were running good suits, not always proto, but well fit suits. They didn't even need tank support and had none. I watched as a soma was destroyed more than once by single commando swarmer, and more then once had to high tail it out of there from said swarmer.
I went 10 - 0 that match, a very large difference from the other match. There was even another tank on our side (it didn't do so well) so by all estimates, the favor should have been tipped in our favor.
Yet we still lost, and by a rather large margin.
TL:CR
So 3 things here for those that can't read very good:
Recent changes to turrets tipped the balance in the infantry favor
Removing vehicles also removes AV (to an extent)
Gear infantry is willing to run has a far larger impact on match outcomes then a tank will (IE poor matchmaking and I have to mention super lame "SMART" deploy)
And what happens when both sides are fielding tanks, which happens quite often. To me those are very balanced and diverse battles. Saying that tanks are the problem is just plain wrong and short sighted. Tanks aren't the problem, YOU are the problem. So in essence, removing tanks DOES NOT FIX THE PROBLEM.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Atiim
11688
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:27:00 -
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The removal of Vehicles from Ambush OMS is rather disheartening. While Forge Gun and Plasma Cannon users will still find some use for their weapons, this effectively bans Swarm Launcher users from OMS as well.
However, the presence of vehicles in OMS was a problem, and due to the inability to correct these problems I fully support their removal from Ambush OMS.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4440
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:33:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:I don't mind vehicles in OMS, I mind not having the ability to choose between Ambush and OMS. +1 Keep it how it is until there is a time these two modes can be separated.
This is the solution.
I'd even make it solo only in regular ambush.
In all other modes I'd automatically fill squads like they did back in beta.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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