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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 652	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:01:00 - [1] - Quote was just on a map and spend most of the time trying to find the guy.. and i finally found him near the top of the mountain behind the MCC which would have been impossable for any vehicle to get to him and unable to get a clear sight on him to counter snipe yet he sits there with a Thales at 26/0 if this isnt complete imbalance then what is? so yeah.. being a scout failed, being in a dropship failed, trying to countersnipe failed. CCP needs to fix this [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Atiim 11672	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:02:00 - [2] - Quote http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_fallacy DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 652	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:05:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_fallacy i dont get what you are trying to say but short of being on the tallest point in the middle of the map(which the sniper was already snipeing toward and rakeing in the kills) it was seriously impossable to kill him [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Scar Scrilla 360	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:11:00 - [4] - Quote Omg the sniper QQ will never stop...what kind of game u playin? Cuz I haven't seen a sniper being a game changing asset for more than 6 months. They can't hack objectives in the end. On the other hand you say u ran around a whole match trying to kill somebody in the redline. I think you're more harmful to your team than any redberry redline sniper could be. Get over it man. "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 652	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:13:00 - [5] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: Omg the sniper QQ will never stop...what kind of game u playin? Cuz I haven't seen a sniper being a game changing asset for more than 6 months. They can't hack objectives in the end. Get over it man. its 0% risk for themselves to sit way off in the distance where noone can get to them [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Atiim 11672	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:14:00 - [6] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Atiim wrote: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_fallacy i dont get what you are trying to say but short of being on the tallest point in the middle of the map(which the sniper was already snipeing toward and rakeing in the kills) it was seriously impossable to kill him You named one instance in which a single sniper was in a low risk environment, and then proceed to say that Snipers as a whole have "0% risk". That is a logical fallacy. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 652	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:22:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Atiim wrote: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_fallacy i dont get what you are trying to say but short of being on the tallest point in the middle of the map(which the sniper was already snipeing toward and rakeing in the kills) it was seriously impossable to kill him You named one instance in which a single sniper was in a low risk environment, and then proceed to say that Snipers as a whole have "0% risk". That is a logical fallacy. its not just 1 sniper.. its countless snipers.. some maps are just stupidly one sided so even if you get a thales guy on your side you just cannot get a killshot [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
rithu Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:37:00 - [8] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Atiim wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Atiim wrote: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_fallacy i dont get what you are trying to say but short of being on the tallest point in the middle of the map(which the sniper was already snipeing toward and rakeing in the kills) it was seriously impossable to kill him You named one instance in which a single sniper was in a low risk environment, and then proceed to say that Snipers as a whole have "0% risk". That is a logical fallacy. its not just 1 sniper.. its countless snipers.. some maps are just stupidly one sided so even if you get a thales guy on your side you just cannot get a killshot Snipers dont succeed every match, they can have real low amount of kills & be at the bottom of the board.But when a sniper gets more than 10 kills he will be hunted down. Also sniping is really tough in ash land (area 3 is the only sniper spot). There is always a way to counter , if its a heavy sniping i usually use the forgegun or railgun (as it can kill in one shot)
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 362	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:58:00 - [9] - Quote Name=Apothecary- check. Thread = Sniper QQ-check. Seriously Every Single time you post. We get it, you don't like snipers. if you can't accept that other people enjoy playing in a different way to you then online gaming really isn't for you. Time to stop now, you are becoming comical. Attim et al, before you bother to reply anymore to this anti-sniper clown type in his name or just scroll around the first few pages of general discussion. this guy has about 5 threads all insisting on nerfing sniper rifles, or at least forcing them to do something his way. and this is all at a time when even ccp has admitted that they are not balanced or working as intended.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 652	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:05:00 - [10] - Quote Snake Sellors wrote: Name=Apothecary- check. Thread = Sniper QQ-check. Seriously Every Single time you post. We get it, you don't like snipers. if you can't accept that other people enjoy playing in a different way to you then online gaming really isn't for you. Time to stop now, you are becoming comical. Attim et al, before you bother to reply anymore to this anti-sniper clown type in his name or just scroll around the first few pages of general discussion. this guy has about 5 threads all insisting on nerfing sniper rifles, or at least forcing them to do something his way. and this is all at a time when even ccp has admitted that they are not balanced or working as intended. nowp i only did this one.. the other one was supposed to be an open question to snipers yet it got flamed and trolled by bittervets. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3210	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:10:00 - [11] - Quote People just need to learn how to counter and kill snipers. In most* cases it is not exceptionally hard. *Thale's zoom range allows them to be WAY too far into the redline. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 653	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:12:00 - [12] - Quote rithu wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Atiim wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Atiim wrote: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_fallacy i dont get what you are trying to say but short of being on the tallest point in the middle of the map(which the sniper was already snipeing toward and rakeing in the kills) it was seriously impossable to kill him You named one instance in which a single sniper was in a low risk environment, and then proceed to say that Snipers as a whole have "0% risk". That is a logical fallacy. its not just 1 sniper.. its countless snipers.. some maps are just stupidly one sided so even if you get a thales guy on your side you just cannot get a killshot Snipers dont succeed every match, they can have real low amount of kills & be at the bottom of the board.But when a sniper gets more than 10 kills he will be hunted down. Also sniping is really tough in ash land (area 3 is the only sniper spot). There is always a way to counter , if its a heavy sniping i usually use the forgegun or railgun (as it can kill in one shot) as soon as i was sniped by a thales i went on the hunt but he was in an impossable to counter-snipe area that was extremly deep in the redline and was highly unlinkly to even use a dropship to get to him let alone kill him in a full proto brick suit. the sniper was in the E to D 3 to 4 area of this Ashland domination map [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 653	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:14:00 - [13] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: People just need to learn how to counter and kill snipers. In most* cases it is not exceptionally hard. Thale's zoom range allows them to be WAY too far into the redline. exactly my point.. the sniper in question was in the D to E 3 to 4 area of this map.. http://i.imgur.com/NpRIpin.jpg and it was imposable to get a sight on him with a sniper and highly unlikly to get there and kill him in a bricked proto suit with a dropship edit. the elevation was just too high in relation to other high elevation points to get any sort of sight on him [[LogiBro in Training]]* Level 1 Forum Pariah
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3275	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:16:00 - [14] - Quote Snipers are underpowered. CCP, buff them rifles! =)
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 653	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:19:00 - [15] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Snipers are underpowered. CCP, buff them rifles! =) only if they nerf the thales and i think charged sniper rifles which have very long high fidelity zoom tho only buff id like to see is higher headshot multiplier so you can actually kill a LOLmando when countersnipeing [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3210	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:24:00 - [16] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Snipers are underpowered. CCP, buff them rifles! =) only if they nerf the thales and i think charged sniper rifles which have very long high fidelity zoom tho only buff id like to see is higher headshot multiplier so you can actually kill a LOLmando when countersnipeing The officer rifle, I think, definitely needs a nerf to their zoom level. The other rifles are seriously underpowered though, and need buffs. HP of players has been buffed constantly throughout the life of the game, but sniper rifle damage has not. They used to be deadly, now they kill idiots who are too stupid to use cover. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 244	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:25:00 - [17] - Quote Yawn. Man the QQ threads were once inspiring and full of marrow. Now they are full of the fruits of incompetence. Upon this pedestal two thousand dreams were sacrificed so that their blood might fuel the many, for he is Legion.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 654	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:32:00 - [18] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Snipers are underpowered. CCP, buff them rifles! =) only if they nerf the thales and i think charged sniper rifles which have very long high fidelity zoom tho only buff id like to see is higher headshot multiplier so you can actually kill a LOLmando when countersnipeing The officer rifle, I think, definitely needs a nerf to their zoom level. The other rifles are seriously underpowered though, and need buffs. HP of players has been buffed constantly throughout the life of the game, but sniper rifle damage has not. They used to be deadly, now they kill idiots who are too stupid to use cover. i do somewhat agree.. but i do feel the charged is still rather good maybe a swarm launcher style rebalance for them? bringing the lower level snipers up to scratch while nerfing the thales and having a look at the proto variants? [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 654	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:33:00 - [19] - Quote lionshead nebula wrote: Yawn. Man the QQ threads were once inspiring and full of marrow. Now they are full of the fruits of incompetence. even the CPM seems to agree* with me on this at least about the thales rifle. [[LogiBro in Training]]* Level 1 Forum Pariah
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 362	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:34:00 - [20] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Snipers are underpowered. CCP, buff them rifles! =) only if they nerf the thales and i think charged sniper rifles which have very long high fidelity zoom tho only buff id like to see is higher headshot multiplier so you can actually kill a LOLmando when countersnipeing The officer rifle, I think, definitely needs. a nerf to their zoom level. The other rifles are seriously underpowered though, and need buffs. HP of players has been buffed constantly throughout the life of the game, but sniper rifle damage has not. They used to be deadly, now they kill idiots who are too stupid to use cover. I completely agree with soraya, in fact i think nerfing the thales scope would improve playing with it, the new scope reticle helped and after the other rifles get brought up to speed it will be easier to keep them in check.. Apothecary.. btw the charge has one of if not the lowest zoom. Just so you know.

xSivartx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:37:00 - [21] - Quote Orbitals kill snipers too. I've used them to smite snipers. So there is at lest a 1% risk.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 395	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:38:00 - [22] - Quote So, a sniper does his job well and you want to nerf them all? Real life snipers can kill from almost 2 miles.... 2 MILES! 400 meters is nothing. Do you realize, that real snipers have to accommodate for not only wind and gravity, but the fact that their shots travel for so long the earth rotates under the bullet and moves the target. Yes, yes, video game... so what? who cares? Jesus man, grow a pair. You have been whining for weeks about everything.
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 792	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:39:00 - [23] - Quote Man, snipers can scope my ****. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1321	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:45:00 - [24] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Scar Scrilla wrote: Omg the sniper QQ will never stop...what kind of game u playin? Cuz I haven't seen a sniper being a game changing asset for more than 6 months. They can't hack objectives in the end. Get over it man. its 0% risk for themselves to sit way off in the distance where noone can get to them Like I said in your other thread, if they can shoot people then they can be shot. There is nowhere on the map a sniper can shoot at people and not risk being shot back, nowhere. Of course the the messed up terrain can make it more difficult than it needs to be but it's still possible. And before you insult me like last time, I rarely snipe and usually only to counter snipe and I don't do it from the redline because that's the first place everyone looks. At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Fix supply depots
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 656	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:58:00 - [25] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Scar Scrilla wrote: Omg the sniper QQ will never stop...what kind of game u playin? Cuz I haven't seen a sniper being a game changing asset for more than 6 months. They can't hack objectives in the end. Get over it man. its 0% risk for themselves to sit way off in the distance where noone can get to them Like I said in your other thread, if they can shoot people then they can be shot. There is nowhere on the map a sniper can shoot at people and not risk being shot back, nowhere. Of course the the messed up terrain can make it more difficult than it needs to be but it's still possible. And before you insult me like last time, I rarely snipe and usually only to counter snipe and I don't do it from the redline because that's the first place everyone looks. try in the area i marked at D-e 3-4 on the map in the original post. the high elevation should pose no problem at hindering counter snipers while giving you a near perfect vantage over the important areas [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
PROPHET HELLSCREAM UNSVER UNITED 1	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:00:00 - [26] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Scar Scrilla wrote: Omg the sniper QQ will never stop...what kind of game u playin? Cuz I haven't seen a sniper being a game changing asset for more than 6 months. They can't hack objectives in the end. Get over it man. its 0% risk for themselves to sit way off in the distance where noone can get to them Like I said in your other thread, if they can shoot people then they can be shot. There is nowhere on the map a sniper can shoot at people and not risk being shot back, nowhere. Of course the the messed up terrain can make it more difficult than it needs to be but it's still possible. And before you insult me like last time, I rarely snipe and usually only to counter snipe and I don't do it from the redline because that's the first place everyone looks. In the end and relating to snipers and countersnip ike thumbgreen says "... if they can shoot people then they can be shot. There is nowhere on the map a sniper can shoot at people and not risk being shot back, nowhere. ..." Hobby: Headshot on cloaked units
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 656	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:01:00 - [27] - Quote RayRay James wrote: So, a sniper does his job well and you want to nerf them all? Real life snipers can kill from almost 2 miles.... 2 MILES! 400 meters is nothing. Do you realize, that real snipers have to accommodate for not only wind and gravity, but the fact that their shots travel for so long the earth rotates under the bullet and moves the target. Yes, yes, video game... so what? who cares? Jesus man, grow a pair. You have been whining for weeks about everything. actually i think the world record of actual kill distance was 3 miles by a canadian.. but that is not the point here, this is a game there is 0 bullet travel time no drop or wind factors. its just stupid that a Thales user can 1-2 shot most people miltitia and up to even proto level, excluding heavies i believe... From near literally across the entire length of the map [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 656	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:03:00 - [28] - Quote PROPHET HELLSCREAM wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Scar Scrilla wrote: Omg the sniper QQ will never stop...what kind of game u playin? Cuz I haven't seen a sniper being a game changing asset for more than 6 months. They can't hack objectives in the end. Get over it man. its 0% risk for themselves to sit way off in the distance where noone can get to them Like I said in your other thread, if they can shoot people then they can be shot. There is nowhere on the map a sniper can shoot at people and not risk being shot back, nowhere. Of course the the messed up terrain can make it more difficult than it needs to be but it's still possible. And before you insult me like last time, I rarely snipe and usually only to counter snipe and I don't do it from the redline because that's the first place everyone looks. In the end and relating to snipers and countersnip ike thumbgreen says "... if they can shoot people then they can be shot. There is nowhere on the map a sniper can shoot at people and not risk being shot back, nowhere. ..." try to snipe a sniper sitting in his nest at D3 to E4 in a lolmando (aka cannot be HS OHK'd) and then come back to me and say that [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
A Cactuar Trollolol .inc 4	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:05:00 - [29] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: Omg the sniper QQ will never stop...what kind of game u playin? Cuz I haven't seen a sniper being a game changing asset for more than 6 months. They can't hack objectives in the end. On the other hand you say u ran around a whole match trying to kill somebody in the redline. I think you're more harmful to your team than any redberry redline sniper could be. Get over it man. Yeah, because winning the match is what people care about. Kind Regards, Chunky Munkey
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 656	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:17:00 - [30] - Quote A Cactuar wrote: Scar Scrilla wrote: Omg the sniper QQ will never stop...what kind of game u playin? Cuz I haven't seen a sniper being a game changing asset for more than 6 months. They can't hack objectives in the end. On the other hand you say u ran around a whole match trying to kill somebody in the redline. I think you're more harmful to your team than any redberry redline sniper could be. Get over it man. Yeah, because winning the match is what people care about. actually its more a case of those thales snipers have seemingly no risk while they can 1-2 shot most proto suits and cause rather large isk damage and also psychological demoralization which can lead to a win for thair team cause the other team is being too cautious about not getting one in the head and loseing like a 300k suit or w/e [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah



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